Wiadi
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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- South Africa
[] Plan Waystones, Apparitions and Future.
-No Overwork
-[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: (paid in gold)
-On the Education of Apprentices
-Power Stones and their Creation
-[] Waystone: Leylines (Sarvoi, Niedzwenka, Johann)
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Empire, Border Princes) (Web-Mat, with Johann)
-[] Waystone: Capstone (Web-Mat, with Max)
-[ ] Attempt to capture an Apparition (Web-Mat, with Johann)
--The Gambler
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] KAU: Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.
-[] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (2/2)
Apprentice education is a must for me, I also like the lecture on Power stones to prepare for AV finalization.
For the waystone I think doing mapping is a useful thing to do early on. If we are doing it I believe it makes sense to do leylines also.
I chose Sarvoi because he had the most contribution to the nature of the leyline and Niedzwenka because she knows enough about leylines to know what past Ice-witches did to them, without being bound by secrecy. Johann for windsight
Max is good for the capstone.
I chose Apparition to increase our combat but one that could also count as Webmat.
KAU I am fairly open either way.
-No Overwork
-[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: (paid in gold)
-On the Education of Apprentices
-Power Stones and their Creation
-[] Waystone: Leylines (Sarvoi, Niedzwenka, Johann)
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Empire, Border Princes) (Web-Mat, with Johann)
-[] Waystone: Capstone (Web-Mat, with Max)
-[ ] Attempt to capture an Apparition (Web-Mat, with Johann)
--The Gambler
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] KAU: Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.
-[] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (2/2)
Apprentice education is a must for me, I also like the lecture on Power stones to prepare for AV finalization.
For the waystone I think doing mapping is a useful thing to do early on. If we are doing it I believe it makes sense to do leylines also.
I chose Sarvoi because he had the most contribution to the nature of the leyline and Niedzwenka because she knows enough about leylines to know what past Ice-witches did to them, without being bound by secrecy. Johann for windsight
Max is good for the capstone.
I chose Apparition to increase our combat but one that could also count as Webmat.
KAU I am fairly open either way.
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- Moscow
Understood.
Perhaps my plan is better delayed for the next turn then.
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- South Africa
At least for me I want to be able to deliver the orbs and the AV paper on the same turn, thus while we build up our CF we also need to prepare for the final AV actions. Personally, we probably don't need to figure out how to weaponize it for the paper, with it falling as a stretch goal. For powerstone creation considering how the orbs are made AV it seems very promising, but we do need to lay the prep work for it.
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- Moscow
You put all waystone actions on Web-Mat. I don't think the rest of the project members will like it. And it's also kinda missing the point of the project - it is not something that just a few College wizards can research successfully, they need outside perspective.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Yeah, fair enough, I'm not too satisfied with it either.
Might as well take off Power Stone Creation, I just saw that we can take the related AV action on the same turn, so it's not a problem to delay that either.
[] Plan WEB-MAT Mapping, All Hands on Runes
-No Overwork
-[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: (paid in gold)
-On the Education of Apprentices
-[] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[] Waystone: Runes (Hatalath, Thorek, Sarvoi, Elrisse, Tochter)
--The Gambler
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Empire, Bretonnia) (Web-Mat, with Johann)
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Tilea, Estalia) (Web-Mat, with Max)
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Border Princes, Badlands) (Web-Mat, with Egrimm)
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] KAU: Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.
-[] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (2/2)
Ok, this way we can start getting in on the Runes with the main project members, while still optimizing Web-Mat action gain in a way that shouldn't make other members unhappy.
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You can.
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- South Africa
When Mathilde first met Cadaeth, Cadaeth mentioned that the Eonir has part of the networkFirst draft of Mathilde's current speculative map:
Red is confirmed functioning, green is confirmed and corrupted, grey is speculative, light blue is Kislev, dark blue is Dwarves. Can anyone think of anything else that Mathilde has seen or been told of?
(singular) just as the dwarves do. Also, she was able to tell when K8P reconnected. In light of this shouldn't there be a speculative connection between the dwarf network and the other networks?
Also, it is a bit confusing for red to be the functioning and green the corrupted, but this is a minor nitpik.
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- Moscow
I notice that L'anguille, Moussilon, Bordeleaux, Brionne, Skavenblight, Tobaro and Sartosa form almost a straight line on the map. Would that mean anything?
Aliya
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Weren't we literally told that involving a bunch of elves in a rune project might cause problems with Thorek? Might be better to switch to leylines, they are more politically neutral subject.
I say we hold off with the turn plans for a moment. We have a lot to discuss for this coming turn before we start nailing down plans. First, let me just plug my post on research avenues, which includes ideas about how we might research the various components which in turn informs which members we might wish to take along with us. I'll probably edit it later to reflect new ideas we come up with in the discussion.
I want to bring the following topics for discussion. First, for the sake of the action economy,
Which actions can be reasonably done through WEB-MAT?
Right now there are only a few things to jump to mind:
Capstone metal: involving everyone. The Golds are obvious, Egrimm because apparently the Nehekharans use the stuff.
Waystone: Mapping (Empire+somewhere else that isn't Bretonnia - Border Princes maybe?): go on a field trip with Johann and Adela in a copter. Use Johann's magnet powers and Mathilde's fantastic windsight to actually physically see the leylines (using what we already learned about their locations to start, obviously).
I don't know about involving other members. They could tell us where they think the leylines go, but I think they can of already did on our first day? Do we really need to bring them along to say "yes, the leyline goes here I think"? So I think going just us and Johann is reasonable.
I, uh, think that's it right now? Not great as far as using WEB-MAT for the project goes. If anyone has other ideas please let me know.
Alright, next topic for discussion:
Which members have relevant knowledge for each action?
Capstone: WEB-MAT (all). Possibly Elrisse.
For WEB-MAT, see above. Elrisse because they are used in Nehekharan pyramidions.
Is that it? It doesn't seem like anyone had much to share in our meeting (other than laws about not touching the Waystone Gold).
Thorek, maybe, if only because the dwarves seem the mostly likely to have handled the metallurgy aspect of the creation of waystone gold. (h/t @Chlof )
Runes: Thorek, Sarvoi, Elrisse, Egrimm, Tochter, Hatalath.
Representatives from the various traditions where the Rune appears: Sarvoi for Anoqeyån, Elrisse and Egrimm for High Nehekharan, Tochter for Belthani script, Hatalath for Old Ones (no idea how much he will actually share, but he clearly knows stuff), Thorek is obvious.
Foundation: Sarvoi, Thorek. Egrimm?
Sarvoi had the most to say on the foundation in the meeting, and recall that our deal with house Tindomiel is basically that they end up constructing the foundation if it ever gets to that point. Thorek might be able to offer workarounds using Runesmithing that involve less or no bad magic. Egrimm for his enchanting ability or something idk
Leylines: Cadaeth, Hatalath, Thorek, Sarvoi
Just listing everyone that had stuff to share in the meeting which makes me think they know something. Others contributed, but it was more about where the leylines go which probably isn't important for the study of the leylines themselves. Sarvoi is here because his comments about how Dhar wants to go back to the Aethyr imply, I think, some understanding of what's going on in the flow of the leylines.
Nexuses: I have no freaking idea. The only thing I can say is
-Forest of Shadows: Aksel. Goes without saying. If we don't involve anyone else, Aksel will likely tell us a lot more since it's just us. Back the Forest of Shadows is sacry and we probably want to bring backup. Johann and Egrimm, perhaps?
-Bugman's Brewery: Thorek and Thorek only. Under no circumstances do we involve anyone else in this, Thorek looks like he really doesn't want anyone else about this.
Tributaries: Aksel, Baba Niedzwenka, Zlata?
The idea here is that tributaries handle Earthbound Magic, so people who use magic that isn't wind magic might have insights into tributarie in general. See my post for slightly more on this.
-Belthani: Tochter.
-Scythian: Baba Niedzwenka, Zlata
-Lornalim: Cadaeth.
Mapping: As I say before this is a WEB-MAT thing in my opinion. It's about physically going around looking for stuff, so I don't think we really need anyone else?
Other Networks:
-Karaz Ankor: Thorek and Thorek only.
-Kislev: Zlata and Zlata only, if we want to be nice. Zlata and Baba Niedzwenka, if we want to press Zlata into spilling all of the beans.
-Laurelorn: Sarvoi, Hatalath, Cadaeth
-Athel Loren: Does anyone really know about Athel Loren's network to study it at this point?
-Nehekhara: Egrimm and Elrisse. Because they aren't actually using this network, we might be able to bring in other people as well, if we think it might be useful.
Last and very much least
Cunning plans
I have one idea: have Aksel use the cool Hedgewise magic that Baba Brzeginias used to actually physically look at a leyline. Is this viable? No idea! But we're in the brainstorm phase, so brainstorm away.
I want to bring the following topics for discussion. First, for the sake of the action economy,
Which actions can be reasonably done through WEB-MAT?
Right now there are only a few things to jump to mind:
Capstone metal: involving everyone. The Golds are obvious, Egrimm because apparently the Nehekharans use the stuff.
Waystone: Mapping (Empire+somewhere else that isn't Bretonnia - Border Princes maybe?): go on a field trip with Johann and Adela in a copter. Use Johann's magnet powers and Mathilde's fantastic windsight to actually physically see the leylines (using what we already learned about their locations to start, obviously).
I don't know about involving other members. They could tell us where they think the leylines go, but I think they can of already did on our first day? Do we really need to bring them along to say "yes, the leyline goes here I think"? So I think going just us and Johann is reasonable.
I, uh, think that's it right now? Not great as far as using WEB-MAT for the project goes. If anyone has other ideas please let me know.
Alright, next topic for discussion:
Which members have relevant knowledge for each action?
Capstone: WEB-MAT (all). Possibly Elrisse.
For WEB-MAT, see above. Elrisse because they are used in Nehekharan pyramidions.
Is that it? It doesn't seem like anyone had much to share in our meeting (other than laws about not touching the Waystone Gold).
Thorek, maybe, if only because the dwarves seem the mostly likely to have handled the metallurgy aspect of the creation of waystone gold. (h/t @Chlof )
Runes: Thorek, Sarvoi, Elrisse, Egrimm, Tochter, Hatalath.
Representatives from the various traditions where the Rune appears: Sarvoi for Anoqeyån, Elrisse and Egrimm for High Nehekharan, Tochter for Belthani script, Hatalath for Old Ones (no idea how much he will actually share, but he clearly knows stuff), Thorek is obvious.
Foundation: Sarvoi, Thorek. Egrimm?
Sarvoi had the most to say on the foundation in the meeting, and recall that our deal with house Tindomiel is basically that they end up constructing the foundation if it ever gets to that point. Thorek might be able to offer workarounds using Runesmithing that involve less or no bad magic. Egrimm for his enchanting ability or something idk
Leylines: Cadaeth, Hatalath, Thorek, Sarvoi
Just listing everyone that had stuff to share in the meeting which makes me think they know something. Others contributed, but it was more about where the leylines go which probably isn't important for the study of the leylines themselves. Sarvoi is here because his comments about how Dhar wants to go back to the Aethyr imply, I think, some understanding of what's going on in the flow of the leylines.
Nexuses: I have no freaking idea. The only thing I can say is
-Forest of Shadows: Aksel. Goes without saying. If we don't involve anyone else, Aksel will likely tell us a lot more since it's just us. Back the Forest of Shadows is sacry and we probably want to bring backup. Johann and Egrimm, perhaps?
-Bugman's Brewery: Thorek and Thorek only. Under no circumstances do we involve anyone else in this, Thorek looks like he really doesn't want anyone else about this.
Tributaries: Aksel, Baba Niedzwenka, Zlata?
The idea here is that tributaries handle Earthbound Magic, so people who use magic that isn't wind magic might have insights into tributarie in general. See my post for slightly more on this.
-Belthani: Tochter.
-Scythian: Baba Niedzwenka, Zlata
-Lornalim: Cadaeth.
Mapping: As I say before this is a WEB-MAT thing in my opinion. It's about physically going around looking for stuff, so I don't think we really need anyone else?
Other Networks:
-Karaz Ankor: Thorek and Thorek only.
-Kislev: Zlata and Zlata only, if we want to be nice. Zlata and Baba Niedzwenka, if we want to press Zlata into spilling all of the beans.
-Laurelorn: Sarvoi, Hatalath, Cadaeth
-Athel Loren: Does anyone really know about Athel Loren's network to study it at this point?
-Nehekhara: Egrimm and Elrisse. Because they aren't actually using this network, we might be able to bring in other people as well, if we think it might be useful.
Last and very much least
Cunning plans
So, do we have any cunning plans?
I have one idea: have Aksel use the cool Hedgewise magic that Baba Brzeginias used to actually physically look at a leyline. Is this viable? No idea! But we're in the brainstorm phase, so brainstorm away.
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She doesn't know what it does or what its components are or whether it's just what they call their part of it, so she's left those details off for the sake of simplicity for now.
She knows there'd probably have to be at least one somewhere, but wouldn't know where to put it. Mordheim to Zhufbar? Bugman's to Hirn to Barak Varr? Ostermark to Karak Kadrin? Somewhere she doesn't even know about yet?
Most Imperial banners have red, and warpstone is green.
It gives a good indication of places that should be checked if Mathilde maps Bretonnia and Tilea, but it's not solid enough to put on the map as is.
Parabola
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Dwarves don't have a monopoly on runes, and we already know that this is Old One script, which has also been passed down to other scripts. But doing leylines or the foundation first is an option too.
You're a godsend, you know that?
Okay thought up something. Mathilde's Arcane Mark Flicker, it causes light to be uneasy around her. Lamps flicker, candlelight dims, and fires burn low around her, that kind of stuff. My idea is basically to use it to dim or douse or snuff the light generated by Primodial Wind creation. I don't know if the Arcane Mark works on light in the sense of windsight but it's a direction to work towards, right?
So basically something like this for an action
[ ] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Flicker; Dimming/dousing/snuffing light that windsight senses)
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- Moscow
The locations Boney listed are in the enemy hands as far as I know. Two Chaos, one Vampire. This isn't some place to investigate without some serious backup.
That could be attempted.
- Location
- New Hampshire
... Oof. Well, this is going to be a challenge, in terms of organization.
Okay, going to take a preliminary shot at who's most suited for the four research actions:
[ ] Waystone: Capstone
Lady Magister Elrisse of the Order of Light: Demonstrated knowledge, and may have some secrets on the matter.
Lord Magister Egrimm van Horstmann of the Order of Light: Included for the same reason as Elrisse, though they are likely to have less background knowledge.
Magister Johann, Gold Wizard: Decent researcher, particular good with metals. More importantly, the capstone is probably one of the best actions to restrict to WEB-MAT wizards, if looking to squeeze in two WEB-MAT actions.
Magister Maximilian de Gaynesford, Gold Wizard: Same reasoning as Johann, except for being more focused on the mundane side of working with metals.
[ ] Waystone: Runes
Runelord Thorek Ironbrow of Karak Azul: It's a rune.
Lord Hatalath of the Grey Lords: Seems to have knowledge related to it:
Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel: Likewise.
[ ] Waystone: Foundation
Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel: Explicitly has insight into it.
Vicereine Cadaeth of the Ward of Frost: Somewhat of a tangential pick, but they have working examples of a tributary Waystone tree, which means they must have enough knowledge of how to feed Winds to the foundation.
Magister Tochter Grunfeld of the Order of Life: Another guess, but the Jade Order is known to be able to pull winds from Waystones. If I had to guess, they'd be doing it by snagging it while it's orbiting the Dhar in the foundation, before it sinks into the leylines.
[ ] Waystone: Leylines
Baba Niedzwenka of Erengrad: I don't think this one needs further explanation.
Ice Maiden Zlata of the Hromada Ledyanoy Ved'ma: She may not personally know any details of how it was done, but she's part of the faction which pulled it off.
Lord Hatalath of the Grey Lords: He definitely knows something interesting, here.
Vicereine Cadaeth of the Ward of Frost: Contributed quite a bit to the discussion about them:
Runelord Thorek Ironbrow of Karak Azul: Given the strength of the other picks, he might be better assigned elsewhere, but the Dwarves do (or at least, did) know how to make leylines run underground, where the elves did not.
Overall, the odd one out is Lector Aksel of the Cult of Halétha. I'm not really sure where they'd fit in, in terms of who knows what.
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@Boney would Nexuses involve physically going to them and poking them, or would it be about asking relevant members what they know? Say we pick Marienburg. Does it mean we've decided to talk about the renovations in Fort Solace with Hatalath and such or does it mean that Mathilde is going to go to Mareinburg and demand to see where they are hiding their magic stones?
Chlof
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Thorek, maybe, if only because the dwarves seem the mostly likely to have handled the metallurgy aspect of the creation of waystone gold.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Karag Dum perhaps?
Depends on the nexus. Mathilde wandering around Reikland would do so in the way of someone who knows that there are exactly three people in the Empire who could gainsay her on Waystoney matters in Reikland, and if there's someone she thinks has answers she'll ask them nicely the first time and not so nicely if there has to be a second. Mathilde in the Wasteland would be a bit more subtle, as there's nothing stopping her from travelling through Marienburg's territory but she has no authority there to start demanding answers, and may or may not try to winkle them out. Mathilde in the Forest of Shadows will investigate knowing full well that the nexuses are enemy territory and anywhere between one and all of them will be populated by beings older, stronger, and more magically powerful than her, and isn't going to knock on the door of someone two steps removed from Nagash and demand answers.
It's what the line going off the edge of the map in the top right is going towards.
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