Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Ulgu apparitions are the ones we don't want, because they eat the magic we would use to bind them. Which is bad.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Apprentice is probably under "receive training".
If by Ulgu Apparation you mean "is attracted to and feeds on Ulgu" then we can't bind it. It'll just eat our magic
EDIT: Dammit, Grey Guardianed.
Added:
[-] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone) (insufficient CF)
Mathilde will have full control over what happens with the resultant Orbs, including the option of presenting the full collection as a shockingly impressive fait accompli. Any Power Stones Mathilde does not have will be acquired for 5 CF each.
[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery with College buy-in (no cost)
Mathilde will not have to source her own materials, but will have to negotiate in advance what happens with the resultant Orbs.
Well, that is helpful. Thanks, Boney.
@Boney just to be clear - if we vote 'Leylines', for example, do we just specify who is helping us, or do we also have to specify how they help as well?
If the only ones involved are members of WEB-MAT the action can count as a WEB-MAT action.
Orb actions added, Apprentice course falls under:
[ ] Receive training: specify who and what. (acquaintances may train you for free, or you can hire someone with money or favours)
Yes, as long as there's some way they can at least marginally contribute.
It doesn't need specifying unless you've got some sort of cunning plan that wouldn't be immediately obvious. Like if you want to research the capstones and you put Johann on it I'll be able to guess you want them to start doing material study on waystone gold, but if you want Johann to break into the tunnels under the waterfall to try to steal Vaulite metallurgical secrets that should be specified.
- Location
- South Africa
@Boney Is it possible for waystone actions to be done without us, or are we providing oversight on all the actions?
Also, you mentioned that we can offend parties by not taking them on particular actions. Is there also a situation similar to that of Webmat where people will be offended if they are not used at all even if no one does the action which they would want to do?
Also, you mentioned that we can offend parties by not taking them on particular actions. Is there also a situation similar to that of Webmat where people will be offended if they are not used at all even if no one does the action which they would want to do?
Mathilde needs to spend an AP on each to at least provide oversight. The Project isn't all these people agreeing to work with each other, they've all agreed to work with Mathilde. But depending on circumstances, it's likely that there'll be scenarios where Mathilde spends an AP to provide oversight and regular check-ins for something that the other contributors are spending the equivalent of multiple AP worth of effort on during those six months.
Not automatically, if someone starts getting cabin fever I'll give you warning that you should find something for them to do.
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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- Belgium
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- He
I thought the dwarvish language was bad at double meanings
Same, after all this time I'm really enthusiastic about doing Waystones. Imo, the bare minimum for the next few turns is one WP action/turn, but I'd rather have at least 2. For this first turn, I'd be ok with 3 or 4.
I categorically oppose that, I want to see everyone's faces when we show them our work
You tell me how you'd go about it. If you'd do it with an enchanting, the 'enchant an item' action. If it's Windherding, then Egrimm's 'attempt a Windherding' action. If there's something else you think would work, tell me what that is.
I thought the dwarvish language was bad at double meanings
They say that, and then they have '-it' be both a verb conjugation and a noun signifier.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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- She/Her
Please, please this turn. I will vote for anything that finally does this.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Well, if I recall correctly Branulhune itself is already a pun. Though I can't remember if that was a standalone pun in dwarvish, or if it relied on the translation to work.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
I love you too, grandpa.
Oh, fantastic, one less thing to worry about.
Anyway, so many options...
It's very neat that we can include as many or as few project members as we want on specific votes. On the other hand, it'll make voting really complex - with a good chunk of these we straight up shouldn't use WEB-MAT exclusively, so we'll need to be very careful with our action economy. If we're focusing only on the making of the waystones themselves, we'd need 5 actions, and while we really won't need to do every single thing in there, there's 17 actions' worth of stuff to do among nexuses, mapping, tributaries, and networks. We're gonna be busy.
My preliminary idea:
[] Plan WEB-MAT Waystones, Preparing For the Future
-No Overwork
-[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] Travel to the Grey College and attend lessons there: (paid in gold)
-On the Education of Apprentices
-Power Stones and their Creation
-[] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[] Waystone: Mapping (Empire, Border Princes) (Web-Mat, with Johann)
-[] Waystone: Capstone (Web-Mat, with Max)
-[] Waystone: Foundation (Web-Mat, with Egrimm)
--The Gambler
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] KAU: Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.
-[] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (2/2)
Does that look alright to y'all? This is my reasoning:
-We prepare for Eike's arrival, we take power-stone creation lessons for the gigaflex, we continue/maybe finish Branulhune because grandpa just gave us a sword and we're nearly there.
-The Waystone options I've chosen should be alright without making Waystone members feel unincluded. Johann's windsight is likely to be of great help in mapping, the Capstone is likely in safe hands with Max, and with Egrimm and the Gambler we should be able to handle the Foundation.
Does that seem reasonable, or am I vastly underestimating how much effort it might take to handle those last two, and they should be better studied with a bunch of more people?
I'm kind of hoping that if the Orbs of Sorcery gigaflex works out we'll get a Boon-equivalent benefit from the Colleges, much like when we asked the Golds for the secret of Gehenna's Golden Hounds. And hopefully, based on that, we could ask for them to make the seviroscope, among maybe other things.
It can translate as Nevertheless Hammer.
That was the runner up name, Bar Rikkaz: 'Way Opener', 'Door Crusher', 'Gate Breaker', 'Nevertheless, Hammer'
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
This is hilarious.
There wouldn't happen to be any gas tanks or angry dragon in there, right?
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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- At large
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- He/Him
This makes it sound like mapping is an action that could be comparatively very low-hanging fruit in terms of demonstrating useful results from the Project.
Clearly, this is an ideal action to take with our very trustworthy best bro Egrimm.
I don't care if it's optimal, I want to do this so bad.
- Location
- Moscow
[ ] Plan Mapping the Future
- 3 actions on Waystone project
- [ ] Waystone: Mapping
- Empire, Bretonnia
- With: Magister Maximilian de Gaynesford (WEB-MAT action)
- [ ] Waystone: Nexuses
- Reikland (Axe Bite Pass and Grey Lady Pass)
- Investigate whether Karak Azgaraz is a part of Karaz Ankor network, feeds into a global network or is something else.
- With: anyone who would be willing to make the journey. The more the merrier!
- [ ] Waystone: Leylines
- For being a part of this project, Mathilde seems to know embarrassingly little about them.
- With: Magister Johann for his excellent Windsight, Thorek for a chance to observe Dwarven-made leylines under the mountains, Senior Lecturer Emeritus Sarvoi for actually knowing what they are supposed to do.
- [ ] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
- We got the practice sword
- [ ] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: specify which.
- Branulhune - investigate the odd flash when it is desummoned underwater
- WEB-MAT action
- [ ] MAX: Learning: specify what and from who. You may pay for a trainer.
- Mapmaking. We will be mapping the Waystone network, and will have the opportunity in the process to make a more accurate map of the Empire than commonly available by virtue of mapping from the sky.
- WEB-MAT action (bonus)
- [ ] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
- [ ] Library: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus
- Karak Vlag Archives
- [ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
- Waystone: Nexuses
So, this is my first attempt to write a plan action. Please tell me if I missed or misunderstood something? And what do you think of the plan?
- 3 actions on Waystone project
- [ ] Waystone: Mapping
- Empire, Bretonnia
- With: Magister Maximilian de Gaynesford (WEB-MAT action)
- [ ] Waystone: Nexuses
- Reikland (Axe Bite Pass and Grey Lady Pass)
- Investigate whether Karak Azgaraz is a part of Karaz Ankor network, feeds into a global network or is something else.
- With: anyone who would be willing to make the journey. The more the merrier!
- [ ] Waystone: Leylines
- For being a part of this project, Mathilde seems to know embarrassingly little about them.
- With: Magister Johann for his excellent Windsight, Thorek for a chance to observe Dwarven-made leylines under the mountains, Senior Lecturer Emeritus Sarvoi for actually knowing what they are supposed to do.
- [ ] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
- We got the practice sword
- [ ] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: specify which.
- Branulhune - investigate the odd flash when it is desummoned underwater
- WEB-MAT action
- [ ] MAX: Learning: specify what and from who. You may pay for a trainer.
- Mapmaking. We will be mapping the Waystone network, and will have the opportunity in the process to make a more accurate map of the Empire than commonly available by virtue of mapping from the sky.
- WEB-MAT action (bonus)
- [ ] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
- [ ] Library: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus
- Karak Vlag Archives
- [ ] The Gambler: specify an action this will apply to.
- Waystone: Nexuses
So, this is my first attempt to write a plan action. Please tell me if I missed or misunderstood something? And what do you think of the plan?
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TaliesinSkye
Occasional Editor
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- Northeast Ohio, United States
We could get all four research projects done, give us a solid foundation to attempt an experimental waystone next turn and know whether we need to explore the existing network to proceed.
I think the waystone options you've picked are more 'optional' than the foundational ones that need to get done. I'd like to do those first, and the results of those might indicate to us whether we need any of these, and if so which ones.
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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Considering that those are two of the four prerequisites to actually straight-up building new Waystones, something we've been regarding as a stretch goal for if the project proves wildly successful...
...and that Waystone Project actions in general are indicated by Boney to plausiblyu eat up multiple AP-equivalents from multiple contributors...
...yeah, I think we should probably actually be employing our assortment of world-class experts from a wide array of magical traditions.
TBQH, I think my personal preference for this turn would look something like:
- 3 WEB-MAT-exclusive Waystone actions on things like mapping/nexuses/etc.
- 2-3 other Waystone actions on the heavy-duty research
- 0-1 unrelated actions (plus of course the Library & EIC locked actions)
But if we are gonna cut some Waystone actions from that spread, I'd argue it should be the WEB-MAT-exclusive ones, as I don't really think WEB-MAT alone has the chops to take on the big stuff.
If you take Reikland you get both Grey Lady Pass and Axe Bite Pass, it's not one or the other. It's following up this exchange:
"I really don't like the idea of Marienburg being able to hold half the continent hostage," you say faintly. "Are there any other links to the west?"
"Athel Yenlui," Hatalath says.
"Where's that?"
He thinks for a while. "Reikland somewhere, I think."
"If leylines don't like to go under mountains, it would have to be going via Helmgart or Ubersreik. Something to investigate further, I think. Anywhere else?"
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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That seems...optimistic. Note the bolded:
I strongly suspect these actions will require multiple turns of investment and/or branch into further followup - being able to turn out even an experimental prototype of a new Waystone within a single year of starting the project seems rather beyond reasonable expectations.
- Location
- Moscow
The way I understood it the options Mathilde didn't pick would still go along. Other members won't just sit idle, they have their own actions and can do things without Mathilde direct oversight. What we pick are just Mathilde's personal actions, and as I said I think we need to take advantage of our great mobility.
Ah, that's even better. I'll edit it in.