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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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IronFist said:
It's the same end result, so it may have the same cause.

Otoh, It's likely that Gretel is an exception, rather than the Norm, because otherwise any Amethysts recruited as children would remain that size.
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I truly, desperately do not want "100 year old Amethyst Wizard who looks like a child" thing to be a possibility. I despise that trope.
 
So, I've been wondering the last couple days, given that the We are likely to have ongoing security and prosperity due to their position in the karak, they're likely to have sufficient caloric reserves to regularly spin off new we clusters like they're doing now. I'm kinda curious at what point the We will start having individual names for their clusters. Will the non We start using something to differentiate the librarWe from We Prime immediately and it'll just catch on, or will they choose their own at some point when they have need to discuss each other with the non We people? Hm.
 
The thing about 'control arcane marks' actions is that they are most worth the time of a journeyman or new made magister. As you go up the ranks and increase in power you cam go more for the Elsbeth style of wizard and not give a damn what the peasants think. So ironically the people who are most likely to be able to control their marks are also the least likely to do it.
 
Codex said:
I truly, desperately do not want "100 year old Amethyst Wizard who looks like a child" thing to be a possibility. I despise that trope.
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If it's any comfort, I suspect that if Shyish stunted someone's growth when they were a child, that probably wouldn't mean they actually continue looking like a child forever. Stunted growth =/= agelessness, after all. And I doubt Shyish works on anime logic.
 
LadyLynn said:
If it's any comfort, I suspect that if Shyish stunted someone's growth when they were a child, that probably wouldn't mean they actually continue looking like a child forever. Stunted growth =/= agelessness, after all. And I doubt Shyish works on anime logic.
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A vampire on the other hand would work that way, though warhammer does not have any canon child vampires as far as I know. Maybe they have a taboo against turning kids, or they just can't adapt.
 
Thoughts on the Waystone Project going forwards:

Boney said:
The Rune, the capstone's metal, the foundational wheel, the leylines, the tributaries, and the other networks. Six different avenues of investigation for us to discuss further.
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The Rune... I suppose we could have Mathilde learn Arcane Khazalid to see if she can pick up on any connections the Runesmiths might not be able to? That or we could go do some hunting in Lustria for more Old One Script?

There's some obvious potential with the Gold Order and the capstone metal. If we plan on investigating that, I think it makes sense to fully bring the Gold Order in on the same turn we do. If we stick with just "giving Johann and Max authorization" then it probably won't cost much either, as opposed to if we tried to hire a new Gold Wizard specialist. It's also worth noting that we have a Major Boon from the Karaz-a-Karak Metalsmiths Guild since we personally rescued a ton of them, which we could likely parlay into either them giving us guidance if we end up stumped, or into having them supply us with a bunch of Waystone Gold if we figure out the recipe ourselves.

The foundational wheel... seems somewhat similar to Thorek's device for recharging Anvil Runes. Beyond that, just discuss Wind theory to try to pin down an underlying truth? Get some texts from Cathay or Ind for extra insight?

Leylines - this is where the Amber Order comes in, I don't doubt that they could help us fill in our speculative map a great deal. A bunch of field excursions too, to see what the situation in Sylvania and Mouslion are like.

Tributaries - a lot to talk about with the Hedgewise here. Likely worth bringing in a number of other cults that we think might retain historical knowledge of tributaries. Probably need to bring in the Ulricans first for political reasons.

Other Networks - since I doubt Athel Loren or Nehekara are sharing, this is gonna rely heavily on what and how much Zlata decides to share.
 
In the interest of avoiding the "adult in child's body" trope, perhaps a vampire child would also like... stay a child mentally? Or at least, their brain wouldn't mature.

Undead children haunting some place are a horror trope, after all. One could lean into that to avoid the anime tropes.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Leylines - this is where the Amber Order comes in, I don't doubt that they could help us fill in our speculative map a great deal. A bunch of field excursions too, to see what the situation in Sylvania and Mouslion are like.
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I'm convinced Vlad tried to create his own network/vortex in Sylvania. It would explain why the waystones are not cleansing the land of Dhar even after a thousand years.

Edit: also, as far as I can tell, Drakenhof is directly south of Mordhiem.
 
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DragonParadox said:
A vampire on the other hand would work that way, though warhammer does not have any canon child vampires as far as I know. Maybe they have a taboo against turning kids, or they just can't adapt.
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There is a canon example of that, actually, in Nights Dark Masters. A Bretonnian girl that was turned by a Necrarch, I believe.
 
There is one child Vampire I know of, and it's not a happy story. Her name is Madame Kalfon.

"The forested Dukedom of Parravon borders on the lands of the Fay, who steal away children gifted with magical talent. Madame Kalfon's parents, seeing the dishes mysteriously leap into the air and then shatter when their baby daughter was in tears, sought to hide her and her obvious gift from the Fay by abandoning her in the mountains, their peasant heads full of nonsense fairytales about kindly hermits who took in foundlings. In a way, the fairytale came true.

Heloise Kalfon was taken in and given her name by a band of Mutants living in the Grey Mountains. A peaceful group, they treated her well despite her lack of deformities and the strange things that happened whenever she threw a tantrum.

Eventually, these Mutants came to the attention of the Necrarch Chigaru, who was investigating the ruins of an infamous castle from his base in the mountains. Chigaru took the outcasts in and provided shelter and food in return for loyal service. Seeing the potential in Heloise and believing her youth would make her easy to control, he made her his get, though she was only twelve years old. This did not do much for her sanity. Neither did watching as Chigaru used the techniques he had learned from a grimoire looted from the castle to further mutate her surrogate family into yet more twisted forms until their bodies broke from the strain. Heloise spitefully pushed her father-in-darkness from the tower for revenge, and the hated man fell onto a spike, impaling him so that he was trapped helpless until the first rays of the sun scoured his presence from existence.

Taking the name "Madame Kalfon" to make her seem more grown-up, the diminutive Necrarch took over Chigaru's tower and made its wondrous toys her own. Over the years, she has mastered the techniques of creating new life with a childlike glee, pulling beings apart and putting them back together in unusual combinations as she would with any doll. Chigaru's tower is now full of the precocious girl's playthings and friends.

Madame Kalfon knows why her parents abandoned her and nurses a special grudge towards the Fay for stealing children like her away. Looking down from her tower towards the Wildwood at the eastern end of Athel Loren she saw a means of satiating her need for revenge and her constant curiosity. Madame Kalfon captured a swarm of the Fay nature spirits called Spites and began using them in her experiments.

Although they were spirits, they were not Ghosts and could not be controlled by the usual necromantic techniques. The spirits had physical forms, but shortly after they died, these forms dissolved, making it impossible to reanimate them. She experimented obsessively until she struck the right combination of preserving chemicals and limb-replacement to create something solid enough to be reanimated. And so another form of life was conquered and added to her mountaintop menagerie." Page 62 Night's Dark Masters
 
LadyLynn said:
In the interest of avoiding the "adult in child's body" trope, perhaps a vampire child would also like... stay a child mentally? Or at least, their brain wouldn't mature.

Undead children haunting some place are a horror trope, after all. One could lean into that to avoid the anime tropes.
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We do not know to what extent the rituals of vampirism freeze the soul in place, but it is at least possible, not like Nagash would try to child proof his path to immortality, or Neferata for that matter.

And if that is the case it would be a very good reason why most bloodlines would avoid turning children at all, not only would they be less useful (try teaching a kid advanced magic) they would also be an exposure risk because of their impulsivity.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'm convinced Vlad tried to create his own network/vortex in Sylvania. It would explain why the waystones are not cleansing the land of Dhar even after a thousand years.

Edit: also, as far as I can tell, Drakenhof is directly south of Mordhiem.
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Probably what killed Magister Patriarch (S.T.T.L.) Hexenson in the Drakenhof catacombs.
 
On the subject of the Waystone investigation, I think that Thorek should focus on the rune initially. Since he is after all the Runesmith and thus probably one of the most qualified when it comes to understanding what exactly the rune is doing and how it is inlaid onto the Waystone.
 
Sinsystems said:
On the subject of the Waystone investigation, I think that Thorek should focus on the rune initially. Since he is after all the Runesmith and thus probably one of the most qualified when it comes to understanding what exactly the rune is doing and how it is inlaid onto the Waystone.
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Of course, getting him to explain any of that if it touches on runesmithing is probably gonna be a chore.
 
DragonParadox said:
A vampire on the other hand would work that way, though warhammer does not have any canon child vampires as far as I know. Maybe they have a taboo against turning kids, or they just can't adapt.
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Would it? Vampires are, lore wise, not actually undead. Just immortal superhumans. Its entirely possible a child vampire would grow to their prime before they cease aging.
 
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