Well, apparently an argument against this would be that we just assume this, and haven't heard neither We's opinion nor Boney.
Personally, I agree that We have very different world view.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Personally, I agree that We have very different world view.
I can see that with hair, yes but the metaphor i used most is a uniform. Is having to wear a suit while working in a office racist? It might be sexist but that only applies if you are very specific in how someone is supposed to dress and not just "a suit."
Edit: and I really don't plan to have the illusion of the we that might at some point get be a sexy secretary...
The whole argument stemmed from the fact that if we don't use illusions, people with arachnophobia would not be able to visit our library.
Which I find very unlikely to be a problem, but well, I would not downplay it if it is a big concern for someone.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Come on guys! Waystones, orbs, how are we going to invite Dragomas to tea in Eight Peaks so he can meet Cython and bribe the Colleges to let us get all their libraries! There are dozens of better conversations than this one by now. Can we just… find something else to argue over for a bit?
I don't think this unpleasant discussion will stop until voting is concluded.
What do you mean by "how?". We flash him a newly made Orb, and then make a breadcrumbs trail with the rest of them. Right to the tea party.
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Agreed. At this point I'm just skipping any post that continues the argument. It's likely to go on until the vote closes, and beyond.
I think no matter what gets picked, Boney will make it work, and make it interesting. Isn't that enough?
Actually did we ever mention to dragomas that we have a friendly hish dragon to have tea with? He really seems to like dragons and I bet he would not say no to a holiday.
I will also say that i was pretty much finished with the discussion until I got accused of dehumanizing the we ( which is a weird sentence) and got a bit angry.
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I mean, I think it's reasonable for people to talk about concerns they have about the actual vote which is still open and highly in contention. It's not like this is thread madness about an unrelated topic!
Though I see what you mean; in the interest of shifting discussion away from the We but keeping it on the vote, I want to talk about what I see as the strongest point for the Locals: family and friends. Folks have talked a lot about how libraries in this era are very different from libraries in modern society, because widespread literacy ain't a thing. A thing I really like about the Locals option is that it's a route to shifting that a little, within this Karak at least, because the people hired to work at Kron-Azril-Ungol are connected to their existing communities in K8P and so make people from those communities more likely to care about the library. Folks visit their friends and family at work. People talk about their jobs. K8P's citizens will find the library more approachable if someone they know works there. "We've got a weirdly giant section about greatswords" is the sort of information that might come out in casual conversation and get folks who otherwise wouldn't be interested in a library ("what's it got for someone like me?") interested. I'm not saying it's going to turn into Sesame Street or a modern community library by picking Locals, just that picking Locals will make going to the library socially easier and increase its acceptance and use by the Karak, as the update mentioned.
There's also the angle, as I brought up before, that currently the state of the Karak seems to be mostly that the dwarves have their mountains and Clan occupations, the humans have their mountain and various occupations within it, and the halflings have the Eastern Valley and grow food and have restaurants. The various cultures of K8P interact, but there's no One Thing that they work on, together. The library is our opportunity to change that, and provide a common work where dwarf, human, and halfling are on equal social ground. This is something I really like from the perspective of helping the Karak be bound together, not as Us And Our Allies (for multiple different perspectives), but just as Us. Given the utopian hopes I've had for the library ever since it was first proposed in December 2019, this is a major appeal for me.
I have to say I totally imagined that part as a future where a We became the librarian and some group is brainstorming on how to steal books and wrote that as like a conversation starter.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I think Mathilde's largely kept Cython in her back pocket for purposes of smug.
(Also, given the number of times that Boney's suggested the Colleges might try to have a go at binding Cython with a Scroll of Kadon if Cython went for a visit, Mathilde might be feeling some amount of paranoia in that direction)
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Are we going to go get the Bad Tomes (tm) from Sylvania next turn or are is it better to delay it until we chaos dunk some orbs since paying CF for a Celestial diviner to help search for the books would delay our 35 CF threshold?
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Hmmm, that's fair. I bet dragomas would not want to do that actually. Mostly because he seems like a dragon friend. We might want to see if we could get a social of "invite dragomas personally to have tea with the big hysh dragon."
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Actually Parliament was usually in favour of censorship. Licensing ended because the public were finally annoyed about it, not because parliament had some sort of problem with it.
Well, unless you've got somewhere else Mathidle can regularly visit to pick up the books, anyone who would steal one would head to K8P anyway, and just handing stuff over to the library directly would be more efficient than leaving them with Mathilde's post or something.
I think it's been said they're not dextrous enough to make cloth? Don't remember but I swear there was a reason they couldn't.
TBF, that could eb because Mathilde doesn't anticipate the general public using the library. Or because she doesn't quite get that some people will have problems with the We, although he former option is mroe likely IMO.
This was unusually efficient for the Administratum.
Could just search without a diviner. People are already worried about the length of time since the fall of Drakenhof already, I don't see them being ok with further waiting. The Orbs have no real rush to them though, so I'd guess they get pushed back instead.
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Invite Dragomas for tea accidently on the same day we invite Cython.
Also someone else has probably already thought of this, but
Dragomas = Dragonass
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Can I just say I am kinda loving what I see as the influences of the U-K8P series on the discussion? I did not expect to actually get a runoff between "create a local community of scholars out of K8P" and "Chancellor We".
I really don't think the Renaissance looked like the Renaissance outside of a few capital cities and parts of northern Italy. This stuff takes centuries to diffuse into areas with less traffic.
Which would apply better if the metaphor weren't about people who don't wear clothes. So altering more fundemental things is the only option on the table. We aren't just talking about body paint for spiders here.
I really don't think the Renaissance looked like the Renaissance outside of a few capital cities and parts of northern Italy. This stuff takes centuries to diffuse into areas with less traffic.
Which would apply better if the metaphor weren't about people who don't wear clothes. So altering more fundemental things is the only option on the table. We aren't just talking about body paint for spiders here.
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With the number of AV areas to poke, general number of draws on AP, and my desire to give out the Orbs amd the Big Book of AV at the same time; I'm comfortable shilling out for a celestial Magister for book mining for a turn.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Fair, it's just that when someone starts to break down in-thread, it's probably gotten a little out of hand. That's my concern at least.
I would prefer not to start possible several-updates adventure this early into Project. If we can outsource this - then sure.
Would work even better if they weren't big hiveminded spiders. But it's really hard to get metaphors for that.
Wait, you don't have your own big hiveminded spiders to train your metaphor skill on?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I do wonder if we could sell Orbs for library agreeements with the Colleges. That would be nice. We need more of those, and the second set would be a good option.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I will point out that any library will likely create a local community of scholars. It's just that in the scenario where the We win, that'll be a far more gradual process and at first it'll be fuelled largely by scholars moving in.
My gut feeling is that the Orbs should be worth more than that. It might turn up as an option though.
The problem is, we can't speak without metaphors, because there are no illusion spells and giant hivemind spiders in our world.
At least, I'm not aware of any.