The Gm made it clear that as long as we do not try to teach them kung fu or some other crazy thing we will have to spend no AP on teaching
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The Gm made it clear that as long as we do not try to teach them kung fu or some other crazy thing we will have to spend no AP on teaching
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- Argentina
I understand.
My main concern is not Cython interactions, but rather the security, additional knowledge and prestige we would flat out miss if we don't pick him and if we could in the future get him anyway.
... Spiders doing kung fu does sounds like a excellent defense. First you got the giant spider and then you have the surprise addition of them knowing kung fu. Surely a grey lady magister would love this subterfuge.
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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- Belgium
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- He
Yeah, that too. I want the library to be Mathilde ´s, not the hoard of someone else. If Cython really wants something, it very difficult to say no given their icepower.
Also I prefer locals because it ties the library into the community. And I just don't see the appeal of having a fancy lizard as librarian.
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- Earth
Which is why it's only one of my reasons. There's the fact that the We are more efficient at library-running in the long term (ie no need to spend effort searching for replacements and training them when people quit or retire, even if it's in the background. Also, loss of experience), my concern that having to draw from a smaller pool of candidates means we have to lower standards to get enough manpower, and the fact that locals can still be hired as scribes but the We can't (technically they can but it's a bad idea).
I mean, giant spiders is already a good martial deterrent against book stealing.
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- Europe
That makes no sense to me considering the update says "it will be a long and difficult process to teach them all that they'd need to know" compared to someone like Cython who'll even handle recruitment of staff himself, and frankly seems like it is something that should be included in the notes at the buttom of the update but it also doesn't change my mind.
Cython and his unique knowledge and perspective is far more interesting to me than the We who might have an unique perspective but will have to be trained from scratch in everything from history, philosophy, magic and physics.
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- Finland
We are not going to negotiate hiring of the staff before we instal Cython as the head librarian.
And once we have done so, we will have to try to remove a large and powerful dragon older than human species from a place we offered them and effectively significantly reduce their hoard in the process, not something i would want to attempt.
Now, we could try to negotiate a veto right before hiring them, but i doubt Cython would go for it.
That said, i would not expect Cythons staff picks be terrible for our purposes, they will still need to be able to operate a library, that's just going to be priority 3 at best.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Yeah even Brettonia is around the very end of the Medieval era at the latest with things like their ships and potentially armour being later.
The reasons they look like an earlier era is cultural not technological.
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- Finland
Long (takes several turns until Library is fully operational), and difficult (Belegar has to hire lot of expensive teachers).
Mathilde does not need to personally take action.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I mean, there's already plans to stick them under illusions as normal librarians. Do we really need even more surprise?
On the other hand, whf has a lot of factors that make things like the industrial revolution not quite possible like it was for us.
The beastmen alone mean that trains are not as viable.
The beastmen alone mean that trains are not as viable.
Yes. We are a grey lady magister we should make everyone look underneath the underneath of the underneath. If your librarians are spider put them under a illusion, if you put them under a illusion teach them kung fu.I mean, there's already plans to stick them under illusions as normal librarians. Do we really need even more surprise?
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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- At large
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- He/Him
I think we should probably check with Boney whether "stick every librarian under an Illusion spell enchantment, which is Fiendishly Complex" counts as "something exotic" for the purposes of whether it would require AP from us to accomplish. I've got a sneaking suspicion it probably would.I mean, there's already plans to stick them under illusions as normal librarians. Do we really need even more surprise?
It was a idea for a windhearding project. Combining the animal translation spell of the ambers with the illusion spell of the grey's to have a spider look like a normal person and be able to talk. Then someone got the bright idea of asking if we could put all spider
under a permanent illusion with a orb of sorcery.
Edit: boney has okayed them on principle though we have not really looked at the particulars.
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Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea of sticking them under an illusion because some people might not be confortable with them being there. Has mayor "you can only exist as you if you pretend not to exist" vibes.
I love the idea of the We as our librarian in general though. Just no mean illusions.
I love the idea of the We as our librarian in general though. Just no mean illusions.
I don't think it was so much for the uncomfortable as for the approachability. And the only thing I would say is actually realistic and useful would be a receptionists under the windhearding enchantment. Just so that talking works.
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Boney said that Mathilde will go about hiring teachers as part of this action, if we take a choice that requires it (which, to be clear, is all of them except the first three -- Locals might have more than a few years' experience with the idea that books exist, but they are still in need of training up from scratch according to the text of the update). My guess about how this will work, as someone who isn't the QM but who has followed this quest for a long time, is that the status of the library will change from "unstaffed" to "staff in training" and that there will be unseen background rolls to progress that training from turn to turn, and that either the total level of success required or the threshold needed to make progress will be higher for the We than for other options. So it won't cost Mathilde AP to make it happen, but it will, on average, take longer than other options to get the library open for business.
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- She/Her
I definitely wouldn't demand that the We use an illusion - they have the right to be themselves, and shouldn't have to censor their own existence - but I think that if they're comfortable with the idea, they could have an activatable illusion thingy or something that they can turn on when they feel the situation calls for it. I personally reckon that would be fine.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
If we're going to make a colony of illusions kung-fu spiders, I would want them doing something more than just guarding a library. That sounds like an absolutely awesome thing to have for many other purposes, but total overkill for this one.
Which, now that I think of it, is something we should keep in mind for the next time they want to split off a new colony.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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Boney has okayed it as a viable windherding project. A windherding project will, by definition, require our AP. Given how much trouble we've had getting the thread to vote for any windherding project ever, I'm deeply skeptical that a purely cosmetic project will happen any time in the foreseeable future.
Okay, I just had a crazy thought. You know all those books on Elven textiles we got? What if the Library-We read them, and decide to start spinning their own webs into silk cloth?
[X] The We
[X] Cython
While I still believe that Cython will be a great partner in managing the library and this is pretty much the only thing that gives us some leverage with him, I'm approval voting the We since I prefer them heavily to the locals.
[X] Cython
While I still believe that Cython will be a great partner in managing the library and this is pretty much the only thing that gives us some leverage with him, I'm approval voting the We since I prefer them heavily to the locals.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
We can make a talking enchantment without illusion. If anyone isn't willing to accept them as the librarian they can stuff it and go bother a different library.
Yea, that would be fine, not triggering peoples survival instincts when you want to seem
unthreatening would be a nice thing to have i think.
Just as long as they are very clear that we do not demand that they use it.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
You know what'll be fun for the Colleges to play with?
With how valuable Orbs of Sorcery are, they've probably never made a Battle Altar with more than one Orb of Sorcery before.
Imagine double or triple tapping on Sorcery Orbs? Might even allow for Cataclym spells without dying or permanently losing a super valuable resource, or something insane along those lines.
Nonononono, Orb of Sorcery shaped into a gun. Get those infinite ammo, boulder sized explosion energy beams going.
Would we not write our own biography? Which I imagine would look a lot like a really long Flight School Meme?
Actually dead, or Ciaphas Cain dead?
I mean, it is a library, people could just come and .... read it. For free, legally. Or, you know, pay for a copy of the book to be made.
I could only really see this happening with the hidden books, but even then they'd have to know those books exist and where to find them while also not being allowed access and not knowing anyone allowed access whose willing to just read the book for them.
With how valuable Orbs of Sorcery are, they've probably never made a Battle Altar with more than one Orb of Sorcery before.
Imagine double or triple tapping on Sorcery Orbs? Might even allow for Cataclym spells without dying or permanently losing a super valuable resource, or something insane along those lines.
Hmm…
I wonder, would an Orb be too big to be carved into a dagger? Or maybe a small hammer or something…
Nah, Mathilde would have to relearn how to fight with it, and that would probably cramp Branalhune's style—hah!—just a bit. Still a funny thought though. I wonder if Mandred would like a big hammer though.
Nonononono, Orb of Sorcery shaped into a gun. Get those infinite ammo, boulder sized explosion energy beams going.
Would we not write our own biography? Which I imagine would look a lot like a really long Flight School Meme?
Actually dead, or Ciaphas Cain dead?
I mean, it is a library, people could just come and .... read it. For free, legally. Or, you know, pay for a copy of the book to be made.
I could only really see this happening with the hidden books, but even then they'd have to know those books exist and where to find them while also not being allowed access and not knowing anyone allowed access whose willing to just read the book for them.
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Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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And the final piece slots into place. Our machinations complete.
Silk bedsheets, at last.
(Bought off our friend at a reasonable price of course, not just yoinked.)
I don't actually think the we would have a problem with being under a illusion. Their fairly logical creatures and explaining that some people will be fearful because of their size and natural form. They should understand that and I'm actually uncertain if the we know how a grudge works. (as in holding one over this issue, not the dwarves variant.)
Shaolin spiders does sound like a cool order to have somewhere, true. And it is a bit of overkill for the library.