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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
The We are a hivemind. Having a couple of drones equipped with illusion talismans is about as intrusive for them as painting their hypothetical fingernails.
Having every single spider equipped with an illusion talisman is both quite rude and impractically costly in time and effort, but letting the We set up a single humanoid to man the front desk or something should be fine.
Having every single spider equipped with an illusion talisman is both quite rude and impractically costly in time and effort, but letting the We set up a single humanoid to man the front desk or something should be fine.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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Letting? Perfectly fine. Encouraging or demanding?
No.
We are not playing the "but your sort will make the proper people (tm) uncomforabtle!" game. I refuse.
I don't think anyone would force them (i don't actually know how we could force them) but encouraging it is not as bad as you make it seem. And again the "all the spiders under a illusion" was just a fancy idea after we speculated on the orbs of sorcery.
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Plot twist: this is Mathilde's biography.
Her real life was much more dramatic.
I know the character, but not the context, but the answer is probably yes
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
…That sounds like a really good way to accidentally a Warp rift. But if it worked…
This, however, is an awesome idea.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Cain was falsely declared dead so many times while still being alive that when he actually died (as far as we know) the Imperium collectively threw their hands up and said "nope, not falling for this again" and just declared him missing in action.
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I would be inclined against "encouraging" them into it.
Speaking from experience, that sort of thing has a way of making you feel ashamed for not censoring yourself.
I think we should simply make clear that it's an option they have, that it would make some people more comfortable, but that their right to present themselves as themselves is one that nobody can take from them.
Another thing, on the arachnophobia matter: There are a great many libraries and Karaks one could visit if one wishes to avoid spiders. For the We, there are no social spaces they could exist in if they wish to not trigger anyone's arachnophobia.
Dwarven Cannon of Sorcery
That's fair, though equally if the library is to fulfil it's purpose of being for everyone, we will need some way that the We won't trigger PTSD for some people who have fought against giant spiders in the service of greenskins. Saying that you can never use the library because you can't cope with dealing with the librarians in such a circumstance wouldn't be right either. If in that circumstance illusions would be the only way to make them comfortable enough to be in the library, shouldn't we encourage the We to be willing to do so for such people, uncommon as they might be? If not, given there will be no non-We librarians, how do we accommodate them?
I think part of my problem with that is that a) we do want this library to run smoothly and having one seemingly humanoid in the reception could smooth over a lot of things. And b) that i don't think the we would really care. Their not humans, they don't think like humans. The hunters will probably see it as the excellent disguise it is. Luring their ... "Prey" (the visitors) into it's ... Trap? Without giving anything away.
If they really don't like the idea of the illusion the sure, they don't need to. But I kinda doubt it and we should make the attempt for the good of the library we are building and they are staffing.
I do not think the We even comprehend shame or social pressure at this point. We should be careful not to treat the spider hive mind like a big human, they are not that, but have their own quirks and perceptions.
How about this—If, and only If, people are deterred or intimidated by the giant spider hivemind, we come up with possible solutions up to and including illusions, but until it actually becomes a problem we just let the spiders be spiders.
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Oh, in that case the answer is No
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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If it becomes an issue, we can look for solutions, like sending in other people for them or similar.
Edit: Ooos ninjad. Yea, what Rex said.
If they want an enchantment, then they want the enchantment.
If we would need to encourage them, then that means they don't.
And I still do very much not care for your reasoning here, making sure that "things run smoothly" because otherwise visitors might be cause a fuss about someone daring to exist.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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…See, now I just want giant illusion ninja spiders. Hive mind. Those would be so fun.
Actually, I forget, can Illusion make you invisible? The Shroud of invisibility spell only lasts for, like, half a minute, but I could have sworn Mathilde has spent long times while invisible. Ghost spiders would be freaking amazing hunters for the colony that still does that. They do still hunt the orcs from Black Crag, right?
Actually, I forget, can Illusion make you invisible? The Shroud of invisibility spell only lasts for, like, half a minute, but I could have sworn Mathilde has spent long times while invisible. Ghost spiders would be freaking amazing hunters for the colony that still does that. They do still hunt the orcs from Black Crag, right?
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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- Belgium
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- He
What I'm reading is « How do people having arachnophobia dare being afraid of spiders? ». I get your point, but we're in a world where giant man-eating spiders are à thing, and we want our library to be open and welcoming to everyone with good intentions. Encouraging the We to put what would basically be nail polish doesn't look particularly offensive to me.
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Iirc the way Mathilde spends long times invisible is through Substance of Shadow. Illusion could probably manage it, but it requires constant concentration to maintain. I'm not sure how that translates when using a magical item.
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Respectfully, those people with spider ptsd or arachnophobia kinda also have to just deal with it
The onus should not be entirely on the We to avoid making other people uncomfortable, when that discomfort comes from their mere existence
Mathilde, as a Wizard, makes a significant majority of people uncomfortable
And plenty could claim that discomfort comes from a phobia of magic or ptsd from fighting necromancers and Chaos sorcerers
She doesn't go around slinging spells at passerby, but magic forms a significant part of Mathilde's identity and I'll note we don't expect her to actively hide what she is either
In their normal habitat of a cave underneath the earth, yeah i would agree with you. But we want to invite them to a totally new field and we and they will need to adapt to it. We need to adapt to giant spider and they need to adapt to being approached by normal people. If that is easier while one drone is under a illusion so be it.
Also Mathilde hides her magic quite often when on a mission. Which this also a mission for the we.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
A mission is a temporary thing, and usually involves Mathilde pretending to be an entirely different person. This would be their new way of life and involve just being themself.
Yes it's a new way of life. It's also our library. We will pay them to do a job, they will do that job to get paid. Expecting certain things from the employed is not wrong. If it was an expectation to change their whole way of life i would agree with you but it's really not.
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- She/Her
I would object similarly if my job demanded that I grow a beard or cut my hair. It is unreasonable to demand that an employee change their social identity to suit the needs of their employer, especially considering the library would also be the We's home.
If the We are fine with illusions to change their presentation to make people more comfortable, great, but that's not something they should be pressured into.