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I would prefer not to start possible several-updates adventure this early into Project. If we can outsource this - then sure.
I'd prefer to get it over with next turn. Besides the whole thing about not wanting them to sit in an unsecured location for too long (yes, there was that decade, but why add even more years to the count when we now have the means to take the books out?), there's the fact that there might be Dhar books in there, which is directly relevant to our research, or notable artifacts. And the whole adventure fatigue thing just doesn't resonate with me in the slightest. Didn't we already choose a plan with no adventures this turn? Besides, regular turns are kind of long too.
 
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The problem is, we can't speak without metaphors, because there are no illusion spells and giant hivemind spiders in our world.

At least, I'm not aware of any.
That's not an issue. The idea of them exist, and we communicate about the idea of thi-

No. No, I'm not interested in explaining this. I just want you to know that "no illusion spells/gaint spiders irl" is not a logically sound reason and I regret my first post.
 
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Now, i'm.not voting for the WE because i prefer the other options but like, if arachnophobia becomes such a huge issue, the dwarfs could just construct a side-room to the library and have a local help you get the actual book?

This whole illusion deal feels like it's going overboard. Like, Belegar could just send a single guy to be messaager between the WE and any potentially spider fearing people. Doesn't need to be more complicated
 
I'd prefer to get it over with next turn. Besides the whole thing about not wanting them to sit in an unsecured location for too long (yes, there was that decade, but why add even more years to the count when we now have the means to take the books out?), there's the fact that there might be Dhar books in there, which is directly relevant to our research, or notable artifacts. And the whole adventure fatigue thing just doesn't resonate with me in the slightest. Didn't we already choose a plan with no adventures this turn? Besides, regular turns are kind of long too.
Well, my opinion on the vote will heavily depend on what options will be there. But if it comes to FLEX vs B O O K I know where my loyalties lie.
 
I am not too proud to admit I voted for Locals instead of The We largely because arthropods make me freak out.

I have moderate arachnophobia, a library manned by spiders no matter how intelligent and benevolent would be a hard nope nope nope. I'm very much for trying to enable the We to be the best We they can be if that's their desire but yea. Even the GIFTS in Avernum make me shudder.
 
[ ] Go about recruiting an army of scribes so you can start copying entire libraries of material.

[ ] Set up a no-questions-asked bounty system for books within the Cult of Ranald
Results will be unreliable and depending on what is sought may result in blowback, but this may allow you to acquire books that would otherwise be entirely inaccessible.
I know we're going to hire a bunch of normal scribes to copy large parts of other libraries, but I have to wonder: Would it perhaps be possible to hire and train a group of Ranaldian scribes? So rather than stealing books, we could have them sneak in, find ultra-rare books, and scribe a copy of them. ...somehow. Maybe I just like the idea of a book heist a bit too much.

Perhaps a viable enchantment project would be an item that copies the contents of a book it's in contact with. We could give it to a thief, have them use the magic item to copy the information, then scribe it back into a normal book afterwards. No idea what spells or winds would be suited to doing that, though.
 
I know we're going to hire a bunch of normal scribes to copy large parts of other libraries, but I have to wonder: Would it perhaps be possible to hire and train a group of Ranaldian scribes? So rather than stealing books, we could have them sneak in, find ultra-rare books, and scribe a copy of them. ...somehow. Maybe I just like the idea of a book heist a bit too much.

Perhaps a viable enchantment project would be an item that copies the contents of a book it's in contact with. We could give it to a thief, have them use the magic item to copy the information, then scribe it back into a normal book afterwards. No idea what spells or winds would be suited to doing that, though.

It would be easier to steal the book, make a copy of it, and then return the original (or keep the original and return the copy).
 
Perhaps a viable enchantment project would be an item that copies the contents of a book it's in contact with. We could give it to a thief, have them use the magic item to copy the information, then scribe it back into a normal book afterwards. No idea what spells or winds would be suited to doing that, though.
I doubt such a spell exists. If it did, the Colleges would be all over it.
 
I have to say I totally imagined that part as a future where a We became the librarian and some group is brainstorming on how to steal books and wrote that as like a conversation starter.
Another benefit of choosing the We as the defenders of our library is that most of these conversations would go something like this:

"Minion! We need to acquire tomes of forbidden knowledge. My research demands new sources of inspiration!"

"A-ah, very well sire. Have you heard of the legendary fastness, known to the learned as Grey Magister Algard's Towers of Screaming Death?"

"Of course. But it is locked within the aethyr, and I'd prefer not to have to plan around something that we'd have to pray to clap our eyes on. Suggest something more concrete."

"Of course, your malevolence. Hmm. What if we were to besiege the city of Altdorf, and in the confusion infiltrate the vaults of the Church of Sigmar? They are sure to have many treasures there of interest to our cause."

"An excellent idea... or it would be, if you had been the first to have it. I'm sure after its most recent plundering that those simpering fools have had no chance to collect anything else of importance. We need something new, something never before attempted."

"Well, I've been hearing stories about an up-and-comer from my contacts in the adventurer-slaying dungeon design industry. How about Grey Magister Weber's Dwarven Omnium of Memoirs and Miscellanea? You know, the D.O.O.M.M. of Kvinn-Wyr?"

"Well now, that does sound promising. Those Greys do so love dabbling in the dubious, if you take my meaning. Tell me more."

*Informative minion noises*

"-- and that's probably why she's called Weber, come to think of it."

"So you're saying we'd have to travel to the edges of the known world, across two mountain ranges and more goblins than I'm comfortable with, to infiltrate a legendary dwarven city guarded by the shadow of a god of death, for the privilege of living out our worst nightmares?"

"Yes?"

"No."
 
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So, I'm going to bring up something, and I'm not sure this has been brought up before.

Pro - The We are hard to corrupt due to being a hive mind.

This is probably true, but I don't think I've seen the flip side of this.

Con - If the We are corrupted, then there's a good likely hood that literally the entire library staff is corrupted, and, further, gonna be hard for anyone to figure this out if they bother hiding it as there won't exactly be tons of people who aren't part of the We working alongside them.

Hive minds are a positive and a negative. Probably harder to corrupt, but if a hive mind is corrupted it seems logical that the entire hive mind is corrupted. Maybe? Who knows.
 
So, I'm going to bring up something, and I'm not sure this has been brought up before.

Pro - The We are hard to corrupt due to being a hive mind.

This is probably true, but I don't think I've seen the flip side of this.

Con - If the We are corrupted, then there's a good likely hood that literally the entire library staff is corrupted, and, further, gonna be hard for anyone to figure this out if they bother hiding it as there won't exactly be tons of people who aren't part of the We working alongside them.

Hive minds are a positive and a negative. Probably harder to corrupt, but if a hive mind is corrupted it seems logical that the entire hive mind is corrupted. Maybe? Who knows.

I mean the GM said it is unlikely anyone made memetic hazards for a hive mind and we should keep in mind that this is fantasy not 40K memetic dangers are already quite rare. This is an argument about the 0.000.... [Insert 100 zeroes].1% of the time. I think we have more reasonable things to worry about than.
 
So, I'm going to bring up something, and I'm not sure this has been brought up before.

Pro - The We are hard to corrupt due to being a hive mind.

This is probably true, but I don't think I've seen the flip side of this.

Con - If the We are corrupted, then there's a good likely hood that literally the entire library staff is corrupted, and, further, gonna be hard for anyone to figure this out if they bother hiding it as there won't exactly be tons of people who aren't part of the We working alongside them.

Hive minds are a positive and a negative. Probably harder to corrupt, but if a hive mind is corrupted it seems logical that the entire hive mind is corrupted. Maybe? Who knows.
If the entire hive is corrupted, that's still only one corrupt person. They'd be much harder to dislodge, for every reason that they'd be such a great ally, but most people, even the ones that live for thousands of years, go their entire lives without being corrupted even without any natural protection or immunity to evil thoughts and ideas.

The corruption possibility has a much larger surface area in a staff of tens or hundreds, who will most likely have to be cycled every few decades or so for health and wellness purposes. Even one or two infiltrators out of a thousand can cause a great deal of harm, and it would be exponentially more difficult to prevent them from occurring.
 
I mean the GM said it is unlikely anyone made memetic hazards for a hive mind and we should keep in mind that this is fantasy not 40K memetic dangers are already quite rare.
Made is past tense, not present or future tense.

Plus, you could argue that no one's tries to corrupt a hive mind as it hasn't been relevant before, but now that the numbers of hive minds are growing and their high intelligence is becoming and their starting to integrate into the realms of man and dwarf instead of just being in the middle of Greenskins which Chaos doesn't pay too much attention too; it's becoming relevant and Chaos is going to start trying.

If Orcs and Dwarfs can fall to chaos I'm not going to assume that any living being is going to be immune forever .... except for maybe the Slann?

Besides, if people are going to keep talking about how hard it is to corrupt a hive mind as a positive, I don't think it's unreasonable of me to try and see if there is a negative to it that that we haven't considered yet.

Even one or two infiltrators out of a thousand can cause a great deal of harm, and it would be exponentially more difficult to prevent them from occurring.
This is true.
 
Made is past tense, not present or future tense.

Plus, you could argue that no one's tries to corrupt a hive mind as it hasn't been relevant before, but now that the numbers of hive minds are growing and their high intelligence is becoming and their starting to integrate into the realms of man and dwarf instead of just being in the middle of Greenskins which Chaos doesn't pay too much attention too; it's becoming relevant and Chaos is going to start trying.

If Orcs and Dwarfs can fall to chaos I'm not going to assume that any living being is going to be immune forever .... except for maybe the Slann?

Besides, if people are going to keep talking about how hard it is to corrupt a hive mind as a positive, I don't think it's unreasonable of me to try and see if there is a negative to it that that we haven't considered yet.

Corrupt does not just mean 'chaos fuckery', in fact the most common forms of corruption that a human librarian would face would be of a far more mundane form and the We would be immune to that because of their nature. What is the phenomenally rich hive mind going to do with some rando's pocket full of silver.

Also the notion that Chaos is a coherent force that 'tries' plots is kind of dubious, they barely organize when the everchosen rides, the Four are not going to make up a thirty step plan to corrupt the We though memetic powers, it would have to be done by a specific cult or a specific daemon and while that can happen it is vanishingly unlikely. Our library is unlikely to be worth the effort to make a new sort of memetic threat for anyone who could set up a cult in spitting distance of a dwarf Karak and Krag the Grim.
 
I don't know if it's been said already, but on the scale The We operate at, isn't an illusion spell + translation torc (for interfacing with the arachnophobe portion* of the population ((*most of them)) kind of like just wearing a finger or hand puppet to talk to children?
 
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