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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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So... as an idea for what research members of the Project might have interest and skill for in their off time:
  1. Vampire skulls - Maybe Elyse, though we could probably do Horstman just as easily and also get some favor with him, not to mention save on time Branulhune - No one, honestly this does not seem like it is even worth doing unless we are out of more interesting artifact
  2. Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands - just use Max, it is not really a big research project
  3. Ghyran Nut - Already decided to do it with Panoramia, no sense in changing that to a Jade we know less well
  4. Kurgan Shrine to Mannsleib - The hag witch maybe, they do know a lot about steppe tribes
  5. Kurgan enchanted weapons - same as above, only we can also probably use Johann for the spell
Not a lot of potential collaboration as you can see, but when you get right down to it not a lot of research in general. For all the jokes about the backlog we seem to be quite good on whittling it down. All in all that seems like a good 'problem' to have
 
Rafin said:
So more nitpicks with the hivemind's voting behavior than anything else? Well, no one can solely be held accountable for that. I usually use "nitpicks" as meaning small changes I'd make to a story/work of art. But changing what players voted isn't really in the spirit of things.

As for preferences in the style of "if only that vote had gone differently", I'm pretty sure most of us participants here have those. We express them from time to time, but mostly try to keep it down if we can because fighting about past votes is very unproductive and not pleasant for the people who actually voted for the winning option (and who are in the majority) either. But it's hard some times. I myself am guilty of whining about Faith winning over Truth a while ago.

As for rolls over small stuff, which ones are you thinking about?

Lastly, could it be that you are misremembering the order in which we romanced Anton, got his marriage proposal and told him to marry for love? I don't remember us ever romancing him after we told him to marry for love. But then again, my memory is faulty some times.
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Yeah, probably its more with the hiveminds voting behaviour. Nitpicks to me mean more some small thing that you can ignore, but are still annoying. As for rolls mainly stuff like training rolls or when trying to find books and the like.
 
DragonParadox said:
Not a lot of potential collaboration as you can see, but when you get right down to it not a lot of research in general. For all the jokes about the backlog we seem to be quite good on whittling it down. All in all that seems like a good 'problem' to have
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Well, trading all our Skaven loot to the Golds helped quite a lot with that.

Speaking of that and of collaborating with Project members, if we could collaborate with Baba Niedzwenka on researching apparition binding that might be incredibly helpful. Y'know, seeing as how she's an incredibly accomplished Hag Witch and spirit-binding is literally her entire schtick.
 
Fayhem said:
Well, trading all our Skaven loot to the Golds helped quite a lot with that.

Speaking of that and of collaborating with Project members, if we could collaborate with Baba Niedzwenka on researching apparition binding that might be incredibly helpful. Y'know, seeing as how she's an incredibly accomplished Hag Witch and spirit-binding is literally her entire schtick.
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At the very least, it'll help launder the spell and keep suspicion off the Golds and their Hounds.
 
Fayhem said:
Well, trading all our Skaven loot to the Golds helped quite a lot with that.

Speaking of that and of collaborating with Project members, if we could collaborate with Baba Niedzwenka on researching apparition binding that might be incredibly helpful. Y'know, seeing as how she's an incredibly accomplished Hag Witch and spirit-binding is literally her entire schtick.
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Maybe, but we would have to get the baseline up at first, so we can have something to trade in that is not secret Gold lore.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
At the very least, it'll help launder the spell and keep suspicion off the Golds and their Hounds.
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Indeed. And because she's not an Imperial and as aforementioned spirit-binding is core to her own magical practice, asking her to collab on this shouldn't result in our research partner potentially side-eyeing us.

Not that I think there's much chance of that in general to be fair, with any of the people we might actually plausibly ask.
DragonParadox said:
Maybe, but we would have to get the baseline up at first, so we can have something to trade in that is not secret Gold lore.
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We aren't expected to keep the lore itself secret. Only the fact that we got it from the Golds is secret. Our agreement with them is that we'd pass it off as our own totally independent and separate research rather than something they taught us, not that we'd never share the info itself.
 
Fayhem said:
Indeed. And because she's not an Imperial and as aforementioned spirit-binding is core to her own magical practice, asking her to collab on this shouldn't result in our research partner potentially side-eyeing us.

Not that I think there's much chance of that in general to be fair, with any of the people we might actually plausibly ask.

We aren't expected to keep the lore itself secret. Only the fact that we got it from the Golds is secret. Our agreement with them is that we'd pass it off as our own totally independent and separate research rather than something they taught us, not that we'd never share the info itself.
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Yeah, but the lore as it exists now relates to Gold magic, there is no way to present it without its provenience being obvious
 
Also, the Golds probably got it from an Elf, so if we get similar magic whilst working with an Elf, no one will raise eyebrows at all. This is the perfect opportunity to take any forbidden knowledge we have and make it "legitimate".
 
Really I think suspicious minded people are going to be too busy side eyeing us for its potential necromantic, chaos, skaven, or even waaagh based potential origins to spend much time wondering about the Golds.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yeah, but the lore as it exists now relates to Gold magic, there is no way to present it without its provenience being obvious
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...No? The relevant lore is "if I can tempt an apparition to appear, I think I can bind it to myself by coating it in my Wind." That's it, that's all we need to tell her as the premise for the research. Mathilde has a well-developed skillset for laundering the origin of her insights, and in addition has a well-established history of conducting research on a very wide range of topics. "I thought this idea up all on my own/on the basis of experiences that were totally not the result of a deal with another Order" is an extremely plausible thing for her to sell someone on, especially if it is someone who isn't even part of the Colleges or subject to the Articles and has very little reason to even give a fuck if we got it from another Order.
 
There were no votes for some time, so I guess we are settled with Theorist/Empire Waystone dedication. Not the best option, for me, but certainly not the worst.

I'm curious, how do you see Mathilde's involvement to the Project, when it actually starts? As administrator, who deals with any external issues? As researcher? As a mediator, who focus on smoothing problems within our research group? Or something else?
I mean, Mathilde would certainly qualify for everything, but I don't think there will be enough time.
 
TreP said:
There were no votes for some time, so I guess we are settled with Theorist/Empire Waystone dedication. Not the best option, for me, but certainly not the worst.

I'm curious, how do you see Mathilde's involvement to the Project, when it actually starts? As administrator, who deals with any external issues? As researcher? As a mediator, who focus on smoothing problems within our research group? Or something else?
I mean, Mathilde would certainly qualify for everything, but I don't think there will be enough time.
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I'm guessing probably mostly focused on keeping the project from falling apart from participants bickering or some outside noble wanting political brownie points. Mathilde does have high Learning and great Windsight, but she doesn't have any Waystone lore herself besides the College standard, so I think her research contributions would be geared more towards seeing how everything fits together.
 
I think it is too soon to say. I'd imagine the other participants would fill the roles they felt most suited for, and Mathilde is going to have to, as the lead, cover any gaps.

So what gaps can we expect?
 
TreP said:
There were no votes for some time, so I guess we are settled with Theorist/Empire Waystone dedication. Not the best option, for me, but certainly not the worst.

I'm curious, how do you see Mathilde's involvement to the Project, when it actually starts? As administrator, who deals with any external issues? As researcher? As a mediator, who focus on smoothing problems within our research group? Or something else?
I mean, Mathilde would certainly qualify for everything, but I don't think there will be enough time.
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Well at lest at first I imagine she would be pressed into service as a translator. She is as far as I can tell the only one who can talk with Thorek in his native language as well as being able to translate dwarf to elf and the other way around without having to go though a human language.
 
Glau said:
I think it is too soon to say. I'd imagine the other participants would fill the roles they felt most suited for, and Mathilde is going to have to, as the lead, cover any gaps.

So what gaps can we expect?
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I don't think we recruited anyone for any goal except "Add your knowledge to the research team", so I guess everything else is a gap of some sort?
 
Right now we have no idea how the research will work so speculation is a bit useless. Let's wait until we actually see how this will be done and then react to it.
 
TreP said:
I'm not trying to guess any specific plans, just curious about what role, by people's opinion, Mathilde would play.
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Oh i understand, what I'm trying to say is that we don't know how this organization will work so speculating about our place in it will be a tad difficult. Will we have work groups that need leadership and direction? Will we do great conferences where mediation is necessary. We don't know so it's a bit useless to speculate about it.
 
Once the Project starts, Mathilde will have two big jobs. One will be diplomacy, and the other will be "diplomacy."

Diplomacy: research relies on cooperation and materials. When Thorek has an argument with the Hag Witch, who keeps them getting along? When Egrimm needs a rare plant only raised by an isolationist elven House, who goes to ask for it? That's Mathilde.

"Diplomacy": everybody will want favors from the Project. When that isolationist House demands the skulls of two human elf-murderers as proof of Project sincerity, who goes to catch the murderers? When the local Elector Count asks for Skaven help in return for not messing with the Project's weird stones covered in elven runes, who goes to fight-slay the ratties? That's also Mathilde.

Mathilde's diplomacy isn't always the best. But she has a great track record in "diplomacy."
 
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Glau said:
I think it is too soon to say. I'd imagine the other participants would fill the roles they felt most suited for, and Mathilde is going to have to, as the lead, cover any gaps.

So what gaps can we expect?
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That's a good question, really.

Lets look at what we have, first:

From the Colleges we have:

- Two demon hunters with access to pre-college lore that potentially links back to Nehekera. We know their college has institutional knowledge of Waystones, has at least one in active use in Altdorf, and their pyramid maybe one as well. One is a competent enchanter as well.

- A druid with access to the lore and teachings of her ancestors, strong faith in the druidic religion that protects those teachings, and is a potent ritualist who has experience in purging Dhar from the soil.

- Totally not an illegal mage in a moustache who's religion mandates the care and protection of waystones, and who's arcane lore enables communication with the Hedge AKA the spirit realm.

From the Dwarves we have:

- One of the greatest living Runelords, who hails from a hold that not only survived the collapse of the Golden Age, but somehow prospered in isolation, and presumably has access to records and archives that date back to before the Time of Woes.

From the Elves we have:

- A millennia old magical researcher who was exiled from Ulthuan and has spent much of the time since within a liminal realm creating magic with which to defend Laurelorn with.

- A dryad-elf who personally cultivates a type of tree that can act as mini-waystones, supporting the main network (but not replace it).

- A magical research who directly serves and worships the Goddess of Magic and is regarded a peerless expert in their field.

From Kislev we have:

- A Hag Witch that has experience living with both humans and elves. She is a Koldunja, which specialise in placating, banishing, or summoning spirits of the land.

- A Maiden of the Ice Court, which has been tending to Kislev's waystones for as long as their has been a Kislev. Probably the most inexperienced member of the project, but said to be good with languages.

So two pure magic researchers (one secular, one religious), an expert on runes, a dryad, a ritualist, a spirit wrangler, a spirit walker, an enchanter, a demon hunter, and an intern.

We've got a decent spread of secular and mystical traditions, a lot of raw power, and a lot of untapped institutional knowledge.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
So two pure magic researchers (one secular, one religious), an expert on runes, a dryad, a ritualist, a spirit wrangler, a spirit walker, an enchanter, a demon hunter, and an intern.

We've got a decent spread of secular and mystical traditions, a lot of raw power, and a lot of untapped institutional knowledge.
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One thing we do not have is any sort of divine caster in the traditional Imperial manner. Not sure how much good that would or would not be, but I thought it's worth noting. Of course we can still get one after the Foundation, next turn we can go for Taal and maybe Ulric, both have reasons to look on us/the project favorably so we should get a fair shake.
 
DragonParadox said:
One thing we do not have is any sort of divine caster in the traditional Imperial manner. Not sure how much good that would or would not be, but I thought it's worth noting. Of course we can still get one after the Foundation, next turn we can go for Taal and maybe Ulric, both have reasons to look on us/the project favorably so we should get a fair shake.
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I'm in favour of that. A priest of Taal would probably be my next choice for an Imperial partner, if only to get access to the Waystones we know they are using as holy places, but there are political advantages to a priest of Ulric that we shouldn't disregard either, and their lore is probably just as good as the Taalites.

Unfortunately it's a lot harder to get secrets out of a priest than a wizard, so I'd expect we'd have have to do a really big favour for them or tempt them to join the project via some solid early successes.
 
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