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Why would he agree to a job that is more work and duty but the same reward for what he does now?
The (joking) answer for this is "it would never get old for Cython to see visitors bug-eyed over having to ask them for directions." And possibly, very possibly, they could ask the dwarves or Mathilde for a Very Cool And Official Hat.
 
I think Cython knows by this point that if he asks for a loan of a book or bobble, Mathy is going to loan it to him, he doesn't have to do shit for her back outside of being a conversation partner. Her horde is his horde.

Why would he agree to a job that is more work and duty but the same reward for what he does now?

Like, I'm not seeing what's in it for him that he doesn't get for free in the status quo?
We give him access to Mathilde dark magic library. Also the dragon would have the ability to acquire books Cython desires. Sure Cython can Barlow books but as a Hysh dragon it desires knowledge. So a job were you get paid to gather knowledge would be a win win .
 
We give him access to Mathilde dark magic library. Also the dragon would have the ability to acquire books Cython desires. Sure Cython can Barlow books but as a Hysh dragon it desires knowledge. So a job were you get paid to gather knowledge would be a win win .
… he asked about the dwarf gods and mathy got a full collection the same turn for him to read?

She then made sure he had a nice room to read them in.

He has her whipped and knows it.


I'm really not hearing 'what's in it for the dragon', because everything that the job 'could do for him', he is already getting or has in his bobble pile.

Edit: also, I don't think mathy can get away with given a magic dragon access to dark magic books… I feel like someone, somewhere, would take murderous offence to that.
 
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We give him access to Mathilde dark magic library. Also the dragon would have the ability to acquire books Cython desires. Sure Cython can Barlow books but as a Hysh dragon it desires knowledge. So a job were you get paid to gather knowledge would be a win win .
Just make him our librarian. The commute is easy and people pay their late fees.
 
"I'm still deciding that. This is an opportunity to make friends, but who with? The first possibility is the Tsarevich, who wanted to host the Waystone Project in the first place because he didn't think he'd see any benefits from it unless he did so. This could be a way to demonstrate that I'd be a good friend for him to have even if I wasn't living in his back pocket.

"Second is the Ice Witches. They're on the outs with the Tzar, but the Boyars still hold them in high esteem, which means that they'd be the ones the local Boyar would be relying on to make sense of the troubles in the Shirokij Forest. I've worked with them before, and I've been thinking of trying to bring them into the Waystone Project.

"Third is the local leaders of the settlements actually within the Shirokij. Even more than most Kislevite stanitsas, the forest stanitsas are very reliant on Hag Witches to placate the local spirits, and they're right in the middle of all of this. Hag Witches are said to know a great deal about pacifying the spirits of the land and cleansing the taint of Chaos. If that involves Waystone, great, and if it doesn't, then they're somehow able to do the same thing that Waystones do."
I find it funny in hindsight that Mathilde ended up making friends with Boris and the Ice Witches and dragged both the Ice Witches and Hag Witches into the project, effectively covering all her bases.
 
We pay him in treasure, There taken care of.
If Cython wants treasure, they definitely don't need a 9-5 for it, they can get it much more quickly and easily. Because they're a dragon.

That's the point Boney makes every time there's a conversation about what we could pay Cython with to do something- there's just not really much of anything Cython can't get if they want it on their own.

I'm pretty sure being Head Librarian would cut into valuable sleeping time for Cython.
 
Continuing on my retrospective journey:
The next morning the quiet of dawn is broken by the eerie howl given off by the 'wings' of the Winged Lancers of the Gospodar: a banner of feathers attached to the rear of their saddle that gives off an ululation that ripples through the air and the Winds alike, which rather piques your interest. Everyone that has spoken or written of Kislev at war mentions the howl of the Winged Lancers, and you can see why. At first you suspect enchantment, but as careful a study as one can make on the march later you realize that it is an enchantment only in the most technical of senses, in the same way that a lever is a machine. The product of centuries of tradition and bloodshed have created something that simply exists as much in the ethereal realm as it does in the physical, and when dragged through the ethereal at great speed and in great numbers creates a reverberation that is as unsettling to the soul as the howl of the wings is to the ears. You spend the rest of the day trying and failing to find a way to expand that single sentence into something that justifies an entire paper on the subject, and eventually conclude that you might be able to accomplish it if you're able to personally witness the effect the charge has on sufficiently varied foes.
I'm kind of sad we never got to see the Winged Lancers arrive into the battlefield and fight. We dealt with the problem so fast we couldn't milk a paper out of them. It would have been so cool.
 
Continuing on my retrospective journey:

I'm kind of sad we never got to see the Winged Lancers arrive into the battlefield and fight. We dealt with the problem so fast we couldn't milk a paper out of them. It would have been so cool.
Kind of, but I'm also kind of glad that we are finally seeing the end of the paper pile and are doing something. Secret enough that we aren't shitting out new ones every two turns.

We might actually get around to the coin collection books in the next decade!

Edit: I also think that the Orc stuff from all the way back from the pre-thunder dome days should be scrapped as long forgotten/out of date or at least have a even bigger negative from being actual decades ago now.
 
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Cython will gladly let Mathilde copy some of its books. How do we know this? Simple:

"Human, when are you getting more books in your library? I want to read something new."

"The library will trade for copying new books, but we can't do much until we have more exotic books ourselves."

"Exotic books. Like the kind in my hoard?"

"Probably, yes..."

"Human, you're saying that if I let you make copies of books I've already read, your library will get quicker at bringing me new books I haven't read?"

"... yes?"

"Foolish human! Why didn't you tell me earlier?"

Now, if Mathilde wants a Dragon Librarian, she'd need to upgrade the offer:

"So, as Librarian I may challenge six library visitors each year to a riddle-contest, and if they lose they must bring me five new books for my personal hoard?"

Honestly that'd be cool even without Cython as official Librarian. Just have the dragon be an optional "pilgrimage challenge" for library visitors.

"Climb that mountain, ring the bell at the frostline, and wait."

"And then?"

"You find out if you're enough of a scholar to win a riddle-game with a dragon."
 
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Kind of, but I'm also kind of glad that we are finally seeing the end of the paper pile and are doing something. Secret enough that we aren't shitting out new ones every two turns.

We might actually get around to the coin collection books in the next decade!

Edit: I also think that the Orc stuff from all the way back from the pre-thunder dome days should be scrapped as long forgotten/out of date or at least have a even bigger negative from being actual decades ago now.
The main paper I'm surprised to still see in our backlog is the Observations on the Windfall. We've been purposely avoiding writing it because, well, it was the Light Order's experiment and we just kind of tagged along and we didn't want to snipe it from Egrimm (because that would be a super jerk move), but it's been two years now and it's still there. With how quickly Esbern and Seija wrote their preliminary paper after the K8P expedition, I assumed we'd be getting notifications any day now about Egrimm or the Choir writing it and us getting credited as a contributor, but no dice. I guess either it was a Light Order-only publication (and so we didn't get notified about it) or they just haven't written it yet despite all the equipment they brought to make observations of it? Egrimm might have better things to do, but for the Choir at least it seems like a huge win: serious research about an exotic phenomenon in a difficult-to-reach location at the Journeyman level.

Boney, is there any, ha, light you can shed on this? Clearly something I believe about either the paper or the social pressures in play is wrong.
 
Sky Titans might have existed, but Deathfang didn't mention them. Either they weren't there or they were but the Dragons didn't come across them. Or maybe Deathfang wasn't privy to that part.
Sorry if someone has already said this (it's a big thread) but my guess about the Sky Titans is that they are an Old One creation, partially due to the fact that Deathfang doesn't mention them (which seems weird if they were there, especially since they'd be on the mountains which the dragons explicitly invaded) and partially due to them being the only humanoid species that isn't explicitly an Old One creation, which indicates that either they are also a creation, or that they were the basis of the other humanoids (or titanoids, I guess).
 
Sorry if someone has already said this (it's a big thread) but my guess about the Sky Titans is that they are an Old One creation, partially due to the fact that Deathfang doesn't mention them (which seems weird if they were there, especially since they'd be on the mountains which the dragons explicitly invaded) and partially due to them being the only humanoid species that isn't explicitly an Old One creation, which indicates that either they are also a creation, or that they were the basis of the other humanoids (or titanoids, I guess).
It is possible that the Dragons didn't inhabit all the mountains. The only mountain range inhabited by the Titans that we know of is the Ancient Giant Lands, known for having extremely huge peaks and being extremely cold. Perhaps the Dragons found the terrain unsuitable for their purposes and didn't desire to get into a tussle with actual Titans, so they left them alone. If that's the case, then that might explain why Deathfang leaves them out of a myth where the Dragons were the supposed masters of the world.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of the Sky Titans being an Old One creation, heck, 6th Edition Shadows over Albion outright says that the people of Albion had unique giants made by the Old Ones designed to protect the island, and that they used to be absolutely huge and very smart until they interbred so much they became shorter and dumber over the ages. However, one could make the argument that Albionese Giants were taking a sample from an existing species, rather than the Old Ones making the Sky Titans from scratch. There isn't enough info on the Ancient Giant Lands to speculate. No Old One contraptions, cities, locuses or any such things that I know of. The Sky Titans had castles, but they were torn down and everything edible (and sometimes non-edible) eaten by Ogres.

I do know that the Sky Titans had bronze cannons way before anyone else, they used them against the Ogres around the -2700s IC, and the Ogres still use them. They're known as "Ironblasters" by the Ogres. They're bronze cast and immaculately crafted. It is genuinely amazing that they were able to make cannons of their size, create the powder to use it, and apparently it's so well made that the Ogres are still using it around 5000 years later.
 
Sky Titans have as much claim to existing in DL as any canon race. Unless and until Boney tells us otherwise I think it is safe to say their canon backstory is unchanged. That said... it is also not much of a backstory:
  1. We know where they lived (the Mountains of Mourne)
  2. We know how they died (eaten by Ogres)
  3. We know that they made canons (Because the Ogres still have some they looted)
  4. We have reason to suspect they have some link to lesser giants (blurbs in the giant bestiary entry)
That is to put it mildly not all that explanatory when it comes to the big ticket questions of their existence
  1. We do not know where they came from
  2. We do not know what their society was like, what gods they worshiped if any
  3. We do not know what relations they may have with other races or with the Old Ones
That said judging by the fact that they are like giants and we know giants look like large humans (an old one creation) I think there is a case to be made for them being one as well. On the other side of the scales it is not a very strong case. If you came into WHF knowing that the lizardmen were made by the Old Ones, but nothing about the Dragon Ogres you might be forgiven for the assumption that they are related.
 
We know where they lived (the Mountains of Mourne)
If I were to be pedantic, then I would point out that the Ancient Giant Lands is technically considered a different area than the Mountains of Mourne, despite their proximity. I assume it's because the ranges have very different fundamental natures. The Mountains of Mourne has moving mountains, the Ancient Giant Lands do not (far as I know). The AGL has higher peaks and is much colder, which also makes it home to far greater proportions of Yhetees and animals that love the cold.
 
correction: we know that they made pistols that Ogres can use as canons.

Sky titan canons would probably make Big Bess look like little Grom.

Fair, we know they made tubes that go boom when you put gunpowder in them, though I would caution against offering a size estimate above 'bigger than a normal giant' as all the living mountain stuff has to be from the Ogres, from Ogre legends dating back millennia. You know hoe a fisherman will always overestimate the size of their catch... that but over hundreds of generations. I do not really trust any accounts that cannot be backed up by either material evidence or a third party.
 
Fair, we know they made tubes that go boom when you put gunpowder in them, though I would caution against offering a size estimate above 'bigger than a normal giant' as all the living mountain stuff has to be from the Ogres, from Ogre legends dating back millennia. You know hoe a fisherman will always overestimate the size of their catch... that but over hundreds of generations. I do not really trust any accounts that cannot be backed up by either material evidence or a third party.


I'm not really talking about size so much as that's blatantly a matchlock pistol the size of two ogres.

it's already bigger than little grom.
 
In 8th Edition Dark Elves Page 30 "Night of Pleasure and Pain", Malekith kills N'kari and places the corpse as an offering to Atharti, clearly believing that Slaanesh and Atharti are two different entities. Don't ask me how N'Kari's corpse remained when it should have evaporated. Things like that just happen in the lore.
Daemons evaporate immediately in Total War, but in books and stuff, the time it takes before daemons discorporate after being slain varies. Sometimes it's similarly instantly, other times it takes a while. Somethings they leave ashy residue behind, and sometimes you can even store daemon blood to use in the crafting of magical items, like the Runefangs.
 


I'm not really talking about size so much as that's blatantly a matchlock pistol the size of two ogres.

it's already bigger than little grom.
I had not seen that pic before, yeah that looks like a pistol which would lend credence to the notion that Sky titans were vastly larger than their modern kin.
It's not a pistol. Or a matchlock. Here is the model from a different angle.
Note the lack of stock/butt.

You can tell it's not a matchlock, because it lacks a pan, or indeed the mechanism to hold a match. Instead it seems to have a fuse inserted directly into the barrel.

Also, it's consistently described as a cannon. "Cannon of the Sky-titans", "castle-mounted guns the Sky-titans used" and "the Sky-titans old artillery" are all in the story about them in Ogre Kingdoms 8th.
 
Daemons evaporate immediately in Total War, but in books and stuff, the time it takes before daemons discorporate after being slain varies. Sometimes it's similarly instantly, other times it takes a while. Somethings they leave ashy residue behind, and sometimes you can even store daemon blood to use in the crafting of magical items, like the Runefangs.
The Runefang creation using Daemon blood is old lore. I personally find it ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure Boney said something to that effect at one point.
 
@Boney, I have some information on Katya, goddess of Disarming Beauty, written up by Andy Law in the Discord server The Rookery. This information has never been canon (in his words "so unofficial it's painful"), but as there's unlikely to be any more information on her other than what's in Tome of Salvation, the 4e core book, and Guide to Ubersreik, I figured there was a chance it could be of some value. Andy Law has helped write several WFRP books and it was he who created Katya in Tome of Salvation.
- Katya, Goddess of Disarming Beauty, is worshipped throughout the Vorbergland and in isolated other places.
- Traditionally, Katya uses her beauty to disarm others, i.e. bring down the defences of others and expose them to experiences they would not normally contemplate.
- Katya is analogous to Atharti, an Elven goddess so beautiful it is said she could tempt any Elf from the Path they were walking, no matter how lost they may be. Both Atharti and Katya unlock suppressed emotions of mortals, stopping them from becoming fixated or obsessed with a single way of thinking.
- The Katyan Cult is not large, and is not dominated by any gender or sex.
- In the Empire, Katya's temples are often associated with brothels, red-light zones, playhouses, and any place where sex is purchased.
- Her clerics actively seek those lost to the divine influence of the gods (or Elves stuck on a path, which they see are the same thing).
- This includes looking out for Chaos Cultists, who they do not see as irrevocably lost.
- Katyans, in general, if not specifically, see those singularly devoted to Sigmar or Ulric or Taal (and similar gods) as no better or worse than those lost to, say, Slaanesh, Khorne, Nurgle, or Tzeentch (this, obviously, is not openly discussed).
- Katyans usually 'break' devoted and lost souls by unlocking feelings that stand contrary to how their chosen God demands they act, opening them up to experiencing a different way of life.
- The Katyans take a different approach according to the cultist at hand, using all manner of techniques and some particularly unique blessings, and will put years in if necessary.
- One of their most commonly used tools is making others fall in love with them. This can have all manner of horrendous outcomes.
- Katyans are forbidden to use violence against those who are not irrevocably lost. They are forbidden to know love or experience jealousy (good luck with that!). They are forbidden to set foot in the blessed temples of other gods. They are forbidden to influence others for their own benefit, and may never take a position of power for themselves.
there are... elements of this that are a little interesting: a goddess whose role is to break the types of obsession and zealotry that lead to bad things and chaos worship. that is the kind of goddess that makes sense in setting.... but uhhhhh, when it comes to everything else.

Like, if I was going to make that type of goddess, I would make her the god of love and the hearth. and spin a lore around how her home is the place where she gently guides the gods of man to put away their rivalries, sit at her table, eat and "be merry". until at least the next day.

basically, the 'team mom/ref' that likes sex.

then connect her worship with both inns and brothels, which are largely the same thing in most cities and towns anyways.

and get rid of crap like forbidden to know love or experience jealousy.
 
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