I haven't rolled any dice. I'm not even at that part yet. I'm still talking about Dwarves restoring the stonework of the Hall of the Moon.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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I haven't rolled any dice. I'm not even at that part yet. I'm still talking about Dwarves restoring the stonework of the Hall of the Moon.
There is no exact rules for grudges as far as I know. Quite a bit depends on a grudge and target of grudge. If it's person it may be considered fulfiled - but if it's clan/nation/species, then it can be passed down other members of a clan/nation/species. It also very much depends what it is about.
Holding a grudge is almost an Art, at least for Dawi.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Dwarves have, on at least one occasion, passed grudges down bloodlines. That time they destroyed a small town for one of the town's ancestors underpaying them by like, 3 copper comes to mind.
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Emphasis mine, but it seems very old Grudges remain in the Book, until something eventually manages to account for them.
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With Bretonnia I'm thinking more about the logistics of carting it back home. I'm at work and don't have my books handy, but if I recall right there's like A Mountain Range and Athel Loren between Bretonnia and the Empire. You'd probably end up shipping via sea, and that's a lot of product to move to the coast and back inland from Marienburg(if it wasn't just processed/sold from there). Big SHRUG on what the profit margins would be after transport.
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if I recall, grudges are an emointal coping mechanism for the way dwarven memory works. Emotional intensity does not fade for dwarves, and their recall is perfect. So a wrong delt to them a hundred years ago stings exactly as much as one done to them today.
Grudges let them cope, because they can be sure wheels are in motion to balance the scales, so I guess how they handle a grudge target dying would depend on if they can find catharsis in it. for example, a man who stole a dwarves savings dying alone and penniless after similar actions came to light? that might satisfy a grudge because it has a feeling of satisfaction to it. but a guy who killed a dwarf just tripping down some stairs? less likely. While it is likely legalized to a large extent, It would make sense the laws follow the emotional purpose of grudges to an extent.
Grudges let them cope, because they can be sure wheels are in motion to balance the scales, so I guess how they handle a grudge target dying would depend on if they can find catharsis in it. for example, a man who stole a dwarves savings dying alone and penniless after similar actions came to light? that might satisfy a grudge because it has a feeling of satisfaction to it. but a guy who killed a dwarf just tripping down some stairs? less likely. While it is likely legalized to a large extent, It would make sense the laws follow the emotional purpose of grudges to an extent.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Do you think insulting people and calling them Cancer is going to help things?
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It's good to know that when people say things you don't like you assume their lying liars who lie and manipulate to drag your virtuous and correct decision down. They couldn't have a point, or at least think they have a point after all.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Damn, 264 voters. Is that a record?
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- madison
have you maybe considered that the people taking Umbridge with the conduct of one side might be doing so for legitimate reasons? rather than just being hypocritical fools?
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Everyone lets not get hostile at each other, the vote is over. So we should just let bygones be bygones.
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I just want to say thanks to everyone who searched for and then cited sources. For a large part of the voting process I felt very much lost. It seemed as if (large parts) of both sides were just making one assertion after another. Without the actual sources it was just an exercise or either taking their interpretation on faith or trying to pick apart the vague accounts. Neither was a good option. The sources really helped provide a solid ground.
Haven't been here since the beginning, but I'll have to start skipping quite a bit if this continues.
I think Roswita would have had a good legal basis for seizing the gong farms. She could have counted them as a part of the watch which had been illegally privatized by a greedy wizard. Might be remembering it wrong, though. I didn't pay it much attention during the second read through and the first one has been too long ago to remember clearly.
Sorry if I've contributed to this. From some responses it seems my first few posts felt arrogant, which was not my intention. I've tried to word them better towards the end, but I think you were away from the thread at that point.
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guys please don't dogpile him, he seems to be having a rough time already.
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My position here is a bit odd, in truth. I had fun. Both with the quest and the arguing. Its why I engaged so much. And that's a rare thing.
I don't tend to participate in most of the quests I read. mostly I just read the updates, and stay away from the debates. I have seen a number of people vote out of spite, and a number of people show signs of suffering for participating.
As well as a number of wild accusations and general sniping, though nothing truly heinous, thankfully.
All in all I had fun. And while that shine is a bit marred by all the people who didn't have fun or suffered for it...well.
Its a quest. I'll second the QM. If you find the discussion begins to detract from the experience, try and step away.
The goal of this whole thing is to learn, enjoy ourselves, and engage in some communal storytelling with our QM leading the charge. There will be times, dark and bright. But none of that should poison your life.
I don't tend to participate in most of the quests I read. mostly I just read the updates, and stay away from the debates. I have seen a number of people vote out of spite, and a number of people show signs of suffering for participating.
As well as a number of wild accusations and general sniping, though nothing truly heinous, thankfully.
All in all I had fun. And while that shine is a bit marred by all the people who didn't have fun or suffered for it...well.
Its a quest. I'll second the QM. If you find the discussion begins to detract from the experience, try and step away.
The goal of this whole thing is to learn, enjoy ourselves, and engage in some communal storytelling with our QM leading the charge. There will be times, dark and bright. But none of that should poison your life.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Depends where exactly you're going to and from. You can go round the mountains at Couronne, and thence through the wasteland, or cross the Pale Sisters. Or simply cross the Grey Mountains somewhere where you don't have to go through one of the deadliest forests in the Old World. Certainly not an easy task though.
I he's mainly talking about people throwing around that 'Thats OOC' while at same time making a ton of OOC points themselves, which I'll admit did irk me quite a big.
That said this was a long argument and one that took place effectively over the place of two votes, that's going to be exhausting and anger inducing for anyone, so I'm not surprised by the bitter feelings.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I'm more pointing out the hypocrisy involved with claiming one side has made every mistake while ignoring the bad practices of your own side, and then getting upset when it's pointed out.
I was very clear after all to point out that it was a small handful of people making these infuriating statements, but that the margin was so narrow that they were decisive. I've even admitted my side didn't always have the best arguments myself, because I am a grown adult who can self-reflect.
Why is it so hard to agree that some of your own were bad?
I just want this fucking behaviour to stop in the future. If you want to drive by vote? That's fine no matter how I grumble about it. If you want to just vote with your gut? That's fine too.
The cancer was the 'I'm voting this way to punish your side for not meeting my arbitrary standard of virtue' votes, which didn't even have the decency to be fair about it because they were perfectly fine with their side using the same tactics for their own foundation.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I find that the trick is to not care about anyone else and only post for your own benefit.
Yeah, my posts are mainly for collecting Funny ratings now, it seems. Even when I don't mean them that way.
I really do think the lookout at the top of Karag Nar would make a great home for Mathilde.
Might be a bit different in that case though - IIRC the last Von Draks became vampires, and presumably when you're dealing with undead the grudge doesn't get written out until they're completely absolutely definitely dead for realsies this time.
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Staff Notice - This is edging on Rule 3 for Incivility
that's a take for thrid parties criticizing your side. "your hypocrites! the other side has issues to! so they must be equally bad!" rather than, oh I don't know, taking a step back and looking to see if maybe there is a reason that one side is drawing more flack then the other.
but hey, i voted aginst your option, so I must be an idiot. so feel free to ignore me.
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Indeed. Around ninety pages of discussion since that update, it moved at a staggering pace.
That much discussion would probably have covered around ten updates before the hiatus.
It's quite a change.
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