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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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jjffjhjf said:
I am hopeful that his hate will be directed at things other than us, and more importantly, Ranald.
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Learning that Ranald exists is yet another thing to hate about umgi.

The existence of Ranald is the banana sunday dessert following a Manchu Han Imperial Feast of everything else there is to hate about the world, which includes almost everything in the world. And Mathilde is the cherry on top of that banana sunday.

But Kragg the Grim always saves room for dessert.
 
I spent a lot of my free time today reading this thread. If I wasn't eating, working, or sleeping, I was reading the thread. And I finally caught up to find out the vote had closed fifteen minutes ago.

I've been here since almost the beginning of the thread. I'm pretty sure that I've read every page of it. But after this vote, I think I'm going to have to give up on participating in it. That sucks.
 
So in-between vote close and update, I'd like others opinion of expanding our gong-farming niter producing industry as far as we can. Like throughout the empire at least, and possibly border princes and Britannia.
 
chocolote12 said:
Eh? You can always approval vote for multiple options.
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It was a half sardonic half serious suggestion/insinuation to the idea that because he or she spent a lot of time reading a fast moving thread and lost the opportunity to vote because of it, that there is no reason not to vote next time. I know that people like to read the argumentation but it's never been easier to Tally the votes yourself and vote for whatever you feel like, even strategically, and start arguing or change vote later (also never been easier with the tallying javascript).

Also, why abandon the thread even before the salt is mined? In my day, i abandoned the thread after the terrible consequences were handed out (that goddamn 'bother the simurgh after getting precog prevention' write-in vote on a touhou crossover quest was a astonishing display of the 'wisdom' of the crowds. Also that funny one with 'Tony Stark trusts Obediah Stane with the Arc reactor in a write-in in a AU where he's part of Hydra and was holding a hydra cup' was funny too).

Generally write-ins are when the voters can really screw up, if it isn't the QM giving enough rope to the questers to end a quest or character he grew to dislike writing about. Which isn't the case here, unlike we stand in awe for instance.
 
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Seventeen said:
I spent a lot of my free time today reading this thread. If I wasn't eating, working, or sleeping, I was reading the thread. And I finally caught up to find out the vote had closed fifteen minutes ago.

I've been here since almost the beginning of the thread. I'm pretty sure that I've read every page of it. But after this vote, I think I'm going to have to give up on participating in it. That sucks.
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Really sorry to read it. I skipped about half the pages but I don't think it was that bad - it's a very important choice to make IC and all positions on it, if not all arguments, are solid.
 
jjffjhjf said:
So in-between vote close and update, I'd like others opinion of expanding our gong-farming niter producing industry as far as we can. Like throughout the empire at least, and possibly border princes and Britannia.
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I'm all for pushing outward with the business by wandering into towns all over the place, The Music Man style, and selling a startup to people. Just starting up a large network setup with the EIC to start an even larger funnel into the gunpowder industry could be nice too.

Bretonnia is probably a bit of a wash given the main draw is gunpowder ingredients, but I suppose folks love a good fertilizer.

It'll really depend on where/if we end up settling down. :V
 
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ADarkerPorpoise said:
I'm all for pushing outward with the business, be it by wandering into towns all over the place, The Music Man style, and selling a startup to people. Just starting up a large network setup with the EIC to start an even larger funnel into the gunpowder industry could be nice too.

Bretonnia is probably a bit of a wash given the main draw is gunpowder ingredients, but I suppose folks love a good fertilizer.

It'll really depend on where/if we end up settling down. :V
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Well was more thinking gathering the waste from them as opposed to selling the gunpowder to them... Though don't their ships use cannons? Still I get the impression that we could massively improve gunpowder production with a full Empire's worth of waste. The knock-on effects of such being really incredibly big.
 
If anyone finds that engaging with the discussion, or even just reading it, detracts from their enjoyment of the Quest - or worse, is actively harmful to their state of mind - I would very much like to encourage you to consider the possibility of not reading the discussion. It is entirely valid to just read the update, vote on your preference, and not read a single non-threadmarked post. You can even just read the update and pretend that the voting process doesn't even exist, and each 'vote' is just Mathilde taking a moment to think things over and then deciding for herself which way to go. I've found a lot of enjoyment in quests that way. And if after a while you find you're in a place that you want to engage with the discussion once more, you'll be just as welcome as if you had never left.

It's entirely normal and okay to be upset when your preference doesn't win. I've gotten extremely emotionally invested in a large number of books, and had my heart broken more than once when events in the book went the way I didn't want them to. I can only imagine how much more that would have hit if just before the heartbreak, there was a 24-hour pause and I had to see the consensus inexorably vote for the coming disaster. If that being upset starts to interfere with your life or poison your social interactions here, don't see that as something to power through. See it as a valid emotional response, and act however you must to protect yourself from emotional harm, and if you decide to stick around even though it hurts, please don't take it out on those that are just as passionate, except on the other side of an issue.

We're all here because we like Mathilde and her friends and are waiting with bated breath to see what the hell she gets up to this time. We're all on the same side. And seeing this is Warhammer, it is almost inevitable that at points in the future events will go badly because of people making the wrong decision with the best of intentions, or even just because they decided the risk was worth it but then the dice said lol and rolled a natural 1. Those will be sad days for Mathilde, and for us as well as we experience those events with her. But those stakes are what makes her triumphs real. They are not a failing of the voting bloc - they are just the price of admission for Mathilde deciding to do her best to change the world she lives in, when she could have just became an Apprentice-in-Perpetuity and got a cushy job balancing accounts or maintaining the library at the Grey College.
 
Oksbad said:
So what happens if the target of a grudge expires for unrelated reasons?
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I'll have to find the source when I'm not in my phone, but in at least one case I've seen, a dwarf declared q grudge on someone for killing the target of another grudge of theirs, keeping them from fulfilling the grudge themselves..... And now I'm wondering how the scary movie Grudge ghosts would interact with Dwarfs.
 
jjffjhjf said:
I'll have to find the source when I'm not in my phone, but in at least one case I've seen, a dwarf declared q grudge on someone for killing the target of another grudge of theirs, keeping them from fulfilling the grudge themselves..... And now I'm wondering how the scary movie Grudge ghosts would interact with Dwarfs.
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they'd yell at them for a few hours for not following proper procedure, then a reckoner would sit their ass down and goose march them through the proper method to declare a grudge.
 
this vote was cancer.

Half of why I was losing my temper before I went to bed was because every time someone on the Silent side brought up a piece of information that backed them, one or two demagogues immediately rules lawyered as to why it 'Doesn't count', and then others dared to go "Oh I voted this way to punish the remain silent people for being generically awful (BTW this side never made mistakes I have no examples to give while I have a litany of sins for the other side)"

The absurd double-standarding while claiming virtue was disgusting. If you have to vote some place because your gut says it's the correct choice (And damned be the quotes and statements otherwise), fine, that's your perrogative--but claiming that you're doing it to punish the other side for not meeting some nebulous 'Standard of virtue' was insulting every time, doubly so all the people who went "Man these arguments are awful, all of the ones on the silent side were terrible so I'm voting for the speak side, which is clearly superior and virtuous"

I'm not sure what would be worse here honestly. The call being wrong and us paying a hefty price for no real gains (And it least discouraging that kind of 'Rules lawyering away every statement supporting full disclosure being a bad idea' nonsense)--or it being right and that kind of meta behaviour being encouraged to win debates in a massively inflated voter base.

At least the fucking cancer is in remission until the next time and hopefully I'll get time to start enjoying this quest again.

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(Though Boney's reassurance and suggestion here fills me with dread once again)
 
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jjffjhjf said:
I'll have to find the source when I'm not in my phone, but in at least one case I've seen, a dwarf declared q grudge on someone for killing the target of another grudge of theirs, keeping them from fulfilling the grudge themselves..... And now I'm wondering how the scary movie Grudge ghosts would interact with Dwarfs.
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Heart disease and cancer, watch out! The dwarves are coming for you!
 
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