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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
"Hey Grandpa Kragg, I hear one of the family moved to LA and started pushing crack. How do you feel about that?"
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"Huh, I wonder why Belebro is making those hand gestures over his throat. I hope he's okay."
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"I talked to some of the gangers that have been shooting up the neighbourhood, and they really liked that crack. Got them started with the whole lifestyle."
 
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The Dwarfs would have you believe that they are immune to the taint of Chaos, but it is not so. It is true that their hardy constitutions resist the effects of the warping longer than Humans and Mutants are fairly rare among them. However, those that fall go far indeed. Their Mutants often have skin that seems to be made of metal or stone. A number of them have the shape of centaurs, like the Centigors that run with the Beastmen hordes, only they have bodies that resemble stunted bulls. When I've tried to discuss this with Dwarfs, reassuring them that I only wish to help them stamp out the taint of Chaos among their people, their reactions have been somewhat... extreme. Several times, I was told my head would be parted from my shoulders if I ever brought up the subject again, which leads me to believe that there must be more to the story. It is a shame really, their taciturn nature prevents them from employing my expertise to their advantage.ALBRECHT KINEAR, PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NULN​
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The truth about the Chaos Dwarfs is buried beneath lies and evasions, for they are the great shame of the Dwarfs. Ask any Dwarf, and they'll fiercely deny their existence. But protestations aside, rumours of the great foundries in the Dark Lands, of horrid Bull Centaurs, of great cauldrons filled with molten metal hungrily devouring sacrifices to some blasphemous Dark God ring all too true to be the result of idle speculation.OTTO BLOCH, PROFESSOR EMERITUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NULN​

Tome of Corruption
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Should Mathilde trust people... er, Dawi... that much?
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Humans? Maybe not. Dawi? Hell yes! They are Dawi! :)

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Theunderbolt said:
How is this about trust and integrity? If this had a possible bad effect on the holds or the Dawi Ancestors I'd be all for telling them but this only affect Ranald.
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You remember how Boney mentioned that a good candidate for place to describe consequences are news from outside world? It means that consequences can affect outside world. Holds included.

Details of happened to Mork are important.
 
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Lupercal said:
It is worth remembering that Ranald the Night Prowler and Ranald the Protector are only two of his four aspects. He also, in Ranald the Gambler/Dealer and Ranald the Deceiver, has two aspects that work together as THE God of Merchants in the majority of the Empire. Handrich is only worshipped in the Wasteland and Reikland. The largest public sect of the cult is dedicated to this aspect. As a God of Merchants Ranald could also be respected by Dwarfs, at least as far as a human god could be.
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Handrich is incredibly unlikely to have anything to do with Ranald, as his believers don't believe this, so he isn't.

Handrich is worshipped with different names across the Old World. He's popular in Tilea and in the Bretonnian ports.
 
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DiceOfStupidity said:
Humans? Maybe not. Dawi? Hell yes! They are Dawi! :)
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Dwarves aren't inherently trustworthy just because they're dwarves. They might be trustworthy because they've been raised right and taught moral fortitude and such, to a greater degree than most humans would be, but assuming that they're moral paragons based entirely on their race is asking for the, like, five slaaneshi dwarves to show up and con you.
DiceOfStupidity said:
Details of happened to Mork are important.
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Ranald can get those details out, you know. We're close, but we aren't monopolizing his friendship or anything.
 
DiceOfStupidity said:
You remember how Boney mentioned that good candidate for place to describe consequences are news from outside world? It means that consequences can affect outside world. Holds included.

Details of happened to Mork are important.
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How does telling the Dwarves that Mork had some power taken change things though? The Orc's are still active in the world and it's not something that they can leverage in any reasonable time frame.
 
Alratan said:
When I've tried to discuss this with Dwarfs, reassuring them that I only wish to help them stamp out the taint of Chaos among their people, their reactions have been somewhat... extreme. Several times, I was told my head would be parted from my shoulders if I ever brought up the subject again
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Well, that's....as I said before...
ctulhuslp said:
Nah, they are quite close on the spectrum, other end of it would be something like "Teclis tries to elfsplain to Kragg how to be a proper dwarf" or whatnot.
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If we dare to put it this way, yes, I think dwarfs will be absolutely peeved. Because holy fuck is that professor a twat who cannot read a room.
edit: really, "just lemme tell you how to deal with chaos among dwarfs; surely I know better than any of you". What did he expect? :V
 
chocolote12 said:
Dwarves aren't inherently trustworthy just because they're dwarves. They might be trustworthy because they've been raised right and taught moral fortitude and such, to a greater degree than most humans would be, but assuming that they're moral paragons based entirely on their race is asking for the, like, five slaaneshi dwarves to show up and con you.
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I think there's a bunch more than that down in Karak Azgal.

ctulhuslp said:
Well, that's....as I said before...


If we dare to put it this way, yes, I think dwarfs will be absolutely peeved. Because holy fuck is that professor a twat who cannot read a room.
edit: really, "just lemme tell you how to deal with chaos among dwarfs; surely I know better than any of you". What did he expect? :V
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I see the coming up with reasons to dismiss a source process has started.
 
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Oh god, I don't know who's winning anymore, and I don't care either. This is just going in circles. Very stupid circles.

@BoneyM Please put a stop to it? It's not going to get any clearer, and this is just painful.
 
chocolote12 said:
Dwarves aren't inherently trustworthy just because they're dwarves. They might be trustworthy because they've been raised right and taught moral fortitude and such, to a greater degree than most humans would be, but assuming that they're moral paragons based entirely on their race is asking for the, like, five slaaneshi dwarves to show up and con you.
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You make a Dawi friend and human friend. Who will remain Your friend? Dawi gives his word and human gives his word. Who will keep it?

In WH setting and in this quest especially, it does not even require an answer.
Theunderbolt said:
How does telling the Dwarves that Mork had some power taken change things though? The Orc's are still active in the world and it's not something that they can leverage in any reasonable time frame.
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We have no idea whay consequences may be - but there is enough to know that there may be consequences. Mork interfered on battlefield. That huge fist. Sure, he fumbled - but he did act. They is no saying whether he'll act again. He might. It is personal to him now. And just recall greenskin reaction to events in Karag Nar, where kicked anthill comparison comes to mind. What prevents Mork from directing greenskins to reinforce K8P? Just to spite Mathilde, Dwarves and all the expedition?

Greenskins are petty. Their gods are likewise impulsive, and Mathilde earned personal enmity of Mork. Can You just say it is not important?
 
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BurnNote said:
Oh god, I don't know who's winning anymore, and I don't care either. This is just going in circles. Very stupid circles.

@BoneyM Please put a stop to it? It's not going to get any clearer, and this is just painful.
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Telling is winning by a small margin.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 24, 2019 at 11:28 AM, finished with 1114 posts and 256 votes.
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Alratan said:
I see the coming up with reasons to dismiss a source process has started.
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Hm? I freely conceded that if we behave the way the professor in question did, dwarfs will indeed be absolutely pissed.
However, I doubt anyone voting for disclosure thinks it means us going "hey imma solve your chaos cousins problems for you so pls tell me all thx" or anything comparably insensitive.

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Alratan said:
It is a shame really, their taciturn nature prevents them from employing my expertise to their advantage
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It's a bloody mockery of stereotypical professor incapable of a modicum of tact.
 
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Theunderbolt said:
How does telling the Dwarves that Mork had some power taken change things though? The Orc's are still active in the world and it's not something that they can leverage in any reasonable time frame.
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It doesn't, telling them that Ranald did it does, since that's more people believing in and talking about Ranald beating Greenskin Gods. That's an important thing on its own due to the narrative effects of the Warp.
 
jjffjhjf said:
It doesn't, telling them that Ranald did it does, since that's more people believing in and talking about Ranald beating Greenskin Gods. That's an important thing on its own due to the narrative effects of the Warp.
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Ranald knows how to Ranald better than we do. If he'll get a boost from publicizing this incident, he's most certainly going to tell the people who this will matter to; that's not even a stretch, he literally just gave us a divine artifact that does that exact thing for us, as one of its four separate effects.
 
BurnNote said:
Oh god, I don't know who's winning anymore, and I don't care either. This is just going in circles. Very stupid circles.

@BoneyM Please put a stop to it? It's not going to get any clearer, and this is just painful.
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Everyone here has the power to close the thread and do something else for the remaining three hours or so. If the thread is causing you this level of distress, I'd strongly encourage you to do so.
 
[X] Remain silent.

[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki

[X] Drinking
[X] Being maudlin
[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service

[X] Yes to Shenanigans
 
Edited my actual vote post to go with "remain silent".

Kragg appears convinced - he would not have voiced his opinion otherwise. And if the Grey College doesn't get the report, neither do the dwarves. It gets into our 'no one needs to know' pile, along with snekjuice and the unmentionable book.

Edit: and we have been told that if Ranald wants the credit, he has ways (other than us) of making it known.
 
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chocolote12 said:
Ranald knows how to Ranald better than we do. If he'll get a boost from publicizing this incident, he's most certainly going to tell the people who this will matter to; that's not even a stretch, he literally just gave us a divine artifact that does that exact thing for us, as one of its four separate effects.
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I don't' agree with that kind of thought process for god related things. If everyone thought that he'd just handle his own stuff, why worship him? It doesn't't help him and he can handle it on his own.
 
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