Hell even if we take it at face value that zoltrak = anti daemon, we know that magic that has anti-daemon properties differentiates between servants of the four and non-aligned warp inhabitants.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Demons dissipate when they die like daemons, so they're basically the same in my head for these purposes.
I mean apparitions dissipate like daemons and they aren't treated the same by anti-daemon magic? And we absolutely have no clue if cythion would dissipate like demons or daemons... He's a dragon, they be weird.
Mopman43
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Charlemagne inherited a large portion of western Europe and then went conquering for the rest.
Magnus the Pious was minor nobility but managed to convince multiple warring Emperor-claimants to unite the country under his rule.
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I see...*Begins drafting plans to get a Super Magic Ship to replace it instead*
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Unless you're expecting an End Times level nonsense result where suddenly the northern Imperial provinces are under dire siege with no warning, your best bet is to improve things and reinforce institutions and clean up trouble spots, since the last time around Kislev was still holding on with enough time for Magnus to unify everyone and Teclis to start churning out ninety day wonder workers.
You can't sustain 100% maximum effort to respond to imminent war indefinitely, and unless you get invaded tomorrow you'll basically always have been better off putting your spare resources into bulking up your infrastructure until things are a lot more urgent than 'chaos is stirring'.
A research semi retired arc is entirely reasonable, when Mathilde does research as a side hobby she comes up with groundbreaking if not worldshaking advancements on the semi regular.
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Mopman43
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Though the question would be how Kislev of right now compares to Kislev of back then. Particularly with the Chaos Wastes having crept up substantially and Pragg being corrupted and etc.
(Which Mathilde has taken steps to solve, of course)
(I'd like to do a Tributaries action in Kislev next turn if we can fit it in)
He was also on a divine mission. That's a lot of heft even before literal intervention. A peasant girl convinced she was on a divine mission and able to convince others of it is the reason France exists as a country separate from England. Getting them moving isn't actually that outstanding, and after winning a big war against the literal forces of evil it wouldn't be a hard to keep it. A divine mandate and the loyalty of an army is about twice what you need for that.
The aftermath of his death would be the make or break point, but there's a few factors that would make it a lot less fraught than you might think.
-First of all, he reigned for 65 years (Lexicanum tells me). That's huge. Just about everyone has never known anything different, and the divided empire would be a story from their grandparents or great-grandparents stories. And mostly in the context of "and then the Great Ruler stopped that and united us".
-Second, it was still a (mostly) united culture with the same gods and the referring back to the same history.
-Third, there would be some forces very invested in keeping the Empire together. First and foremost, the Wizards, who's ability to live unburned is directly tied to the existence of the empire. I could say something that suppressing separatist ideas in the aftermath of Magnus' death is where the Greys really turned themselves into the boogyman of the nobles, and it probably happened a few times and it could've gone that way, but I honestly think the fact that Magnus reigned as long as he did buried most problems before the Greys had to.
Also, they didn't do a very good job stopping the separatist ambitions of Marienburg, so who knows how good they'd have been at that.
So yeah, I think it's actually pretty plausible, especially because Magnus ruled 65 years holy shit. I hadn't realised that before I checked, but that goes a very, very long way. Like, that puts him comfortably in the top ten of IRL longest reigns.
Schwertfreiheid translates to "freedom of swords". Sword of freedom would "Schwert der Freiheit". Otherwise great plan, no notes.
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To be fair, she's in a culture where becoming a pretty good swordsman/swordswoman is just the norm if you're serious about wanting to fight things
Now now, she got gifted a freaky-good and very unusual magical sword by Kragg the Grim, and you do NOT disrespect a gift from Kragg the Grim by doing any less than learning to use it at ten tenths capacity..
I don't know why people are planning out the next arc when we're not even done the one we're in.
We've barely touched nexuses yet; not at all if you don't count the scouting missions. Sure, we're probably not going to be building our own, but finishing up without getting some understanding of a key part of the network (and the biggest potential blockage in the network, too, like the one near Marienburg that had to be rebuilt!) seems like leaving the task half done.
We've barely touched nexuses yet; not at all if you don't count the scouting missions. Sure, we're probably not going to be building our own, but finishing up without getting some understanding of a key part of the network (and the biggest potential blockage in the network, too, like the one near Marienburg that had to be rebuilt!) seems like leaving the task half done.
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There's nothing wrong with discussing it ahead of time, it's not crowding out some other discussion that I've seen.
The other part of the 'echo' is probably Aurelean, the "Restorer of the World" who stapled the entire Roman Empire back together. Which was goes on to inspire the who people try for a repeat like Justinian I and Charlemagne (with a unique and explicit blessing from the Papacy). Charlemagne fails, sure, but sets the stage for Otto I to succeed at something, founding the second Reik in the HRE, hundreds of years after the 'fall' of Rome.
So yes, not a literal lifting, but instead history that was put into the paint mixer. But even more importantly, if I wanted to argue about the 'orginal point' I would have quoted the entire message and talked about it. I wanted to poke and mention the actual rich history instead.
According to most folks, and compared to before Chaos got here. Once she can kick Chaos off the planet, and remove the greenskins/skaven as issues. Probably finally kicking Nagash into the afterlife fully alongside the majority of his followers. Maybe even fix the Great Mortis river to no longer be a river of death but instead life again. Get rid of the Great Maw. Kill Malekith and the other leaders of the Druchi. Do all of that and the world will be pretty alright.
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One thing that I enjoy thinking about is how some Wizards encounter people who's only experience with a Wizard is Mathilde (or stories about her) and thus has to explain that Mathilde is unusual.
Also I do wonder how aware Mathilde is of her reputation and/or the legends about herself. Like I recall how when we recruited the thief back when we were in Stirland that he knew of Mathilde by a terrifying reputation that she as completely surprised by.
Also I do wonder how aware Mathilde is of her reputation and/or the legends about herself. Like I recall how when we recruited the thief back when we were in Stirland that he knew of Mathilde by a terrifying reputation that she as completely surprised by.
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I mean. You did say Magnus's feat was neither insane nor even surprising from a real-world history perspective, which your comparison utterly fails to back up.
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Charlemagne aside, didn't China break up and get reunited centuries after several times?
Yeah, its not quite on the bullshit timescale the Empire was, but we can chalk that up to bullshit fantasy timescales rather than heroic fantasy.
Yeah, its not quite on the bullshit timescale the Empire was, but we can chalk that up to bullshit fantasy timescales rather than heroic fantasy.
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Reuniting after 1,000 years isn't the wildest part, it's doing it peacefully.
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Personally I think it reformed "peacefully" rather than peacefully. It makes a better story, and after the fact almost everyone with the power to write history would be eager to ignore the holdouts who acted as speed bumps on the way to unifying the empire and fighting off Chaos. I wouldn't be surprised if some refused to recognize him until he (and the imperial army) came back from beating chaos to check if they'd reconsidered, or needed to be added to the list of agents of the four left to purge.
Yeah, China had a lot of "a small disagreement over rice happened in the Po province, tens of thousands dead or missing." In its history...
I doubt there were all that many of those, actually. People tend to believe their own religion, and this goes double in Warhammer, where divine miracles are, if not commonplace, much more common then they are IRL. And Magnus had divine favour in spades. Between that his diplo of 'Yes" even those lords who remained personally unconvinced would have bowed just to avoid being burnt at a stake by their own subjects.
If you want to set the bar at exact matches, I'll happily concede given a lack of real-world wizards, Chaos, or gods.
Otherwise, the only 'utter failure' I see is in charity in reading?
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Then please explain the more charitable reading of your part in the below exchange, as I'm clearly missing it:
In what is in my opinion a fairly obvious face-value interpretation of these statements, and in the context of the broader discussion, I had assumed that pickle meant "it is inconsistent with real-world history for a single person to reunite a fragmented, warring empire after a thousand years" and that you meant "no, actually, that's in keeping with actual real-world history." Which, to be clear, it is not.
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Greenskins are absolutely not solved in any meaningful way.
An Everchosen is on the horizon, Demons are only going to be a greater threat.
Referring to the 'lost karaks' issue as solved is... well, I wouldn't recommend ever saying that to a dwarf, to put it mildly.
Every Karak is an island that exists in a sea of enemies.
Skaven exist underneath almost ever major city, and in a state that's terrible for both everyone else and themselves.
We have taken the first steps towards repairing the Waystone network, but the network as a whole is still a house of cards- there is a very real possibility that the entirety of the Old World exists upon the back of one Nexus connection.
But ultimately- saying the world sucks doesn't require comparing it to a world that exists or has existed, merely comparing it to a world that could exist. It requires only that you can imagine something better- and I am absolutely certain that Mathilde can imagine a world where the places she calls home are not under constant existential threat, where villagers don't have to worry about being carried off by gribblies in the night, where dwarves don't exist in a state of constant rejection by the world they live in, and where children are not burned at the stake.