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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Given the the practice for figuring out "what's next" has been a combination of looking at plot hooks and neat tricks Mathilde has, I conclude that the next task will be to devise a method of enchanting an object to Mindhole people near it to forget said object, and then scale it up with an Orb of Sorcery (Ulgu) to make the Skaven forget that Skavenblight exists. 
Making skavenblight "disappear" means this little cold war gets hot real quick as near every rat decides I'm getting mine without the council preventing me from attacking in the open.
As far as next arc goes I would like to see some down time to wrap up some stuff and enjoy time with Pan and K8P then back into the waystones. (We have to remember the only reason everyone is here is because of Mathilde, be a shame for it to disappear when we want to go gallivanting). We could formalize it and recruit more so we don't have to be hands on (akin to the EIC with more involvement though) and have plenty of free time to do any number of things. From Elfcation (it is 99 days, with travel what 6-9 months?), to making sure Sylvania and the ducklings don't blow up.
I think the reason the Waystone project should remain a focus is actually simple. It gives us the opportunity to do it all, 5 separate nations signed, others could be added if we wanted to fly around. If we want to prod dark corners plenty of those around. We still don't know the secrets of the Nexuses and the more we keep prodding the more Ulthuan has to give up. With the project having such... substantial effects already (that's ignoring magical, we got Ulthuan and the Karaz Ankor to sign an accord, its not a treaty but still). I find it tough to believe we couldn't get armies moving on our word if we could guarantee the magical side of things.
The Empire would love Mordheim or the middle mountain's keep, the Karaz Ankor has the silver road war part duex going and if I'm remembering right could be connected to the border prince's spur (I think Thorek disapproved though). Kislev has an active Tzar who would love someone who he could threaten boyar's with. Laurelorn solved a lot of problems through us and the project. To be frank the world is our oyster now, why limit ourselves? Besides its not like Boney won't have some fun with some curveballs, who saw the skull river attack coming?
EDIT: Also @Glau I couldn't think of a good way to put my answer to your question except this. I think Mathilde wants her name to be known, to be the sappy hero of everyraunchy sex romance book on her shelf and sweep everyone off their feet. To stand before every important person in the world "I did more than just fight the darkness. I pushed it back."
As far as next arc goes I would like to see some down time to wrap up some stuff and enjoy time with Pan and K8P then back into the waystones. (We have to remember the only reason everyone is here is because of Mathilde, be a shame for it to disappear when we want to go gallivanting). We could formalize it and recruit more so we don't have to be hands on (akin to the EIC with more involvement though) and have plenty of free time to do any number of things. From Elfcation (it is 99 days, with travel what 6-9 months?), to making sure Sylvania and the ducklings don't blow up.
I think the reason the Waystone project should remain a focus is actually simple. It gives us the opportunity to do it all, 5 separate nations signed, others could be added if we wanted to fly around. If we want to prod dark corners plenty of those around. We still don't know the secrets of the Nexuses and the more we keep prodding the more Ulthuan has to give up. With the project having such... substantial effects already (that's ignoring magical, we got Ulthuan and the Karaz Ankor to sign an accord, its not a treaty but still). I find it tough to believe we couldn't get armies moving on our word if we could guarantee the magical side of things.
The Empire would love Mordheim or the middle mountain's keep, the Karaz Ankor has the silver road war part duex going and if I'm remembering right could be connected to the border prince's spur (I think Thorek disapproved though). Kislev has an active Tzar who would love someone who he could threaten boyar's with. Laurelorn solved a lot of problems through us and the project. To be frank the world is our oyster now, why limit ourselves? Besides its not like Boney won't have some fun with some curveballs, who saw the skull river attack coming?
EDIT: Also @Glau I couldn't think of a good way to put my answer to your question except this. I think Mathilde wants her name to be known, to be the sappy hero of every
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Given the actual history of the world, this is not insane and not surprising. Charlemagne is a real-world candidate for Magnus; given how much the Empire is an expy of the HRE, I don't think that's unintended. (magnus = great, Charles the Great -> Charlemagne)
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That Lady of the Lake grindset.
Easy answer, compared to the Golden Age of the elves and dwarfs. Back then greenskins were a nuisance, Chaos had been locked up so tightly it was a political debate in Ulthuan if they could ever return, the elves, dwarfs, Nehekarans , Cathayans and others were trading in peace and enjoying a standard of life incomparably higher than any seen in the old world today. She knows that is achievable.
Fun answer, compared to the Old Ones of the pre-colapse era, lets achieve such mastery of magic and technology we can close the Polar Gates.
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Charlemagne united ("reunited" if one is to be exceedingly charitable) only a fraction even of the Western Roman Empire, and only a relatively-short few centuries after its collapse. Even leaving aside the dramatically different levels of individual, personal agency involved in the phrases "Charlemagne united" versus "Magnus united."
Like, yes, it's pretty plausible that that's what's being echoed here, but it's blown up to absurd proportions while being pared down largely to the actions of one Great Man because that's what Warhammer is like as a setting. Which gets back to the original point that such tendencies are rather different from the course of real-world history.
Serious answer: *something, something*they hate you no matter how much they fight for them*random chaos nonsense about their inevitable victory*
Funny answer: I burned three libraries on my way here
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"Your research papers aren't even that interesting. You're either getting credit for other's work or producing something so classified no one can read it."
"That apprentice of yours is doomed to die. Shall I put her out of her misery? Do you know where she is right now?"
"I knew what happened to the Norse and Lustrian Dwarves but I sold that knowledge to a demon."
"Markus told everyone about the underwear incident. Everyone knows and makes fun of you behind your back."
"Abelheim dying was your fault."
"Do you like my outfit? I'm trying to bring back Wizard Chic."
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Serious Question: Will Wulfrik say it in Khazalid or Reikspiel?
He'll say all of them at the same time in Eltharin, the worst language.
Alternatively, Stirlandian with a peasant accent.
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Fern vs Divided Loyalties
Dragomas. Dragomas will underestimate Fern by thinking she's just an eighteen year-old apprentice and will try to hit her like he did Alric. It works perfectly. Winner: Dragomas no diff.
Mathilde. Fern will try to use the only offensive spell she knows and Mathilde's belt burns it from her memory. While Fern is stunned, Mathilde hits her with a sleep spell. Winner: Mathilde no diff.
Cython. Since ice dragons don't have innate magic resistance, Fern shoots Cython down with Zoltraak-47. Winner: Fern low diff.
Egrimm. Egrimm bribes Fern with Cleansing Glow to take the L. Winner: Egrimm mid diff.
Johann. Fern blocks his railgun and lasgun with ordinary defensive magic and hits back with Zoltraak. Winner: Fern no diff.
Kragg. Flight isn't an option since Kragg can dispel it, and his magic resistance is a big problem for Zoltraak, but Fern has longer legs, so she may be able to put enough distance to charge up a strong enough Zoltraak to overcome his magic resistance. If she can't, Kragg tags her with his hammer, earning him the win. Winner: Fern high diff.
Hubert. Boss battle for Hubert. His lightning is useless against Fern's defensive magic, but his flight would allow him to reach her and may make him nimble enough to dodge Zoltraak if there's enough terrain. Lightning Storm would lock her down enough to make the fight easier, but he doesn't have that spell yet as of the last time his statblock was updated so can't count it. Winner: Fern low diff.
Gretel. Zoltraak shoots much faster than Steal Life, but Fern has no answer to direct damage spells. Fern wins in a duel, but pre-battle positioning can score either the win. Winner: Fern mid diff.
Asarnil and Deathfang. Asarnil's holo-field makes hitting with Zoltraak a pain, and if they close to melee it's all over. Winner: Asarnil and Deathfang high diff.
Nagash. Nagash fought Sigmar in melee, Fern has Zoltraak and lies about her power level. Winner: Fern no diff.
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Dragomas. Dragomas will underestimate Fern by thinking she's just an eighteen year-old apprentice and will try to hit her like he did Alric. It works perfectly. Winner: Dragomas no diff.
Mathilde. Fern will try to use the only offensive spell she knows and Mathilde's belt burns it from her memory. While Fern is stunned, Mathilde hits her with a sleep spell. Winner: Mathilde no diff.
Cython. Since ice dragons don't have innate magic resistance, Fern shoots Cython down with Zoltraak-47. Winner: Fern low diff.
Egrimm. Egrimm bribes Fern with Cleansing Glow to take the L. Winner: Egrimm mid diff.
Johann. Fern blocks his railgun and lasgun with ordinary defensive magic and hits back with Zoltraak. Winner: Fern no diff.
Kragg. Flight isn't an option since Kragg can dispel it, and his magic resistance is a big problem for Zoltraak, but Fern has longer legs, so she may be able to put enough distance to charge up a strong enough Zoltraak to overcome his magic resistance. If she can't, Kragg tags her with his hammer, earning him the win. Winner: Fern high diff.
Hubert. Boss battle for Hubert. His lightning is useless against Fern's defensive magic, but his flight would allow him to reach her and may make him nimble enough to dodge Zoltraak if there's enough terrain. Lightning Storm would lock her down enough to make the fight easier, but he doesn't have that spell yet as of the last time his statblock was updated so can't count it. Winner: Fern low diff.
Gretel. Zoltraak shoots much faster than Steal Life, but Fern has no answer to direct damage spells. Fern wins in a duel, but pre-battle positioning can score either the win. Winner: Fern mid diff.
Asarnil and Deathfang. Asarnil's holo-field makes hitting with Zoltraak a pain, and if they close to melee it's all over. Winner: Asarnil and Deathfang high diff.
Nagash. Nagash fought Sigmar in melee, Fern has Zoltraak and lies about her power level. Winner: Fern no diff.
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Cython is also a powerful Hysh mage. He can do things like dodge at superhuman speeds and shoot lasers...I don't think this is correct at all.
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Lasers don't matter since Fern's defensive magic is up to the task, and Zoltraak shoots too quickly for Cython to cast Net of Amyntok or Birona's Timewarp first. Prep-time would hand Cython the win, but only if Cython is the kind of person who uses prep-time.
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I think you're seriously underestimating the durability of an elder dragon as well. Zoltraak will 100% hurt him, and would kill him eventually, but too quickly to keep him from reacting. Her shields aren't unbreakable...good? Yes. Unbreakable? No. Cython could, in theory, get through them.
I actually don't know who'd win that fight, to be clear, but assuming he's a pushover strikes me as deeply wrong. That's hard fought any way it goes.
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I kinda feel like the Waystone Project is self-sustaining now? The accords are signed, the design has been put into action. Now it's just continuing on. If a problem and/or opportunity shows up, that's one thing, but otherwise, I don't know what would happen next that would be narratively compelling? I'm ready for Mathilde to explore some new horizons
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A dragon's durability might count if Cython were an ordinary dragon, but I think them being a creature of magic means that white Zoltraak's anti-demon property procs, making it super-effective. As for Fern's shields, they aren't unbreakable, but they are good enough against the kind of lasers that Cython would be able to fire quick enough to not get interrupted by Zoltraak. Even if Cython hypothetically got their strongest lasers up, Ferns' shields were good enough to stall Qual's ultimate, which may be enough to fully stop Cython's strongest lasers.
Cython is an extremely powerful opponent, but rock-scissors-paper is at play here. Fern's skillset is very well adapted to beating someone like Cython.
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We literally see demons take hits from Fern and walk it off. Zoltraak maybe has bonuses versus demons, sure, but not enough to casually take out an entity of a dragon's size and toughness before he can start casting. As for her shield stalling Qual, I think we're getting into the realm of 'what magic system (or world) has more advanced magic?' here, and you seem to be assuming Frieren which seems to me to be a bit odd given the respective worlds involved. Even ignoring offensive magic, though, he's a giant dragon and her shields are hardly impenetrable to simple physical force.
Again, I'm not saying Cython would necessarily win here, it depends on a lot of factors, but assuming 'Oh, that would be easy' is just a wild assumption about anyone who uses actual 'hit people for damage' stuff facing something as big, strong, and durable as a dragon. Especially one with magic of its own.
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We see one demon take a hit from Zoltraak and walk it off and that's Lügner, who had a hole blasted out the side of his body and could only walk it off due to his blood magic, which Cython wouldn't have.
As for lasers vs shield, I'm not judging the advancement of the magic, just the bigness of the lasers. The only Warhammer spells as thick as Qual's ultimate are vortex spells. Regarding physical force, yeah, if Cython gets into melee, Fern is done for, but Cython isn't getting into melee.
Big, strong, and durable are massive advantages, hence Asarnil and Deathfang, but Cython's magical nature is really hampering them. They'd straight up have way better odds if they were weaker, because then Zoltraak would merely do damage in the way you described. As it is, Fern blasts holes through them as easily as the rock she pierced when she was a kid, and Cython isn't popping off any spells with any degree of ease under those conditions.
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Why would it ?
Because as far as I know Demons being made of magic is a warhammer thing. In the world of Frieren demons are living creatures with reproduction and growth cycles and everything. So why would anti-demon properties target a property demons don't have ?
No, it's still a fair way off if it doesn't get butterflied.
Ah. So we don't get to blame Sigmar's inability to save Abelheim on Him having spent all his power keeping that boat afloat. Gotcha.