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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Although I'm in favour of Mandred being a wizard, if it was possible a miracle worker of Verena would make an amazing Emperor. The spells they have are:

  • As Verena is My Witness: become more convincing when speaking the truth
  • Eavesdrop: you can hear anything happening anywhere you can see (great with a telescope and a good vantage point)
  • Owl's Wisdom: your mind is flooded with divine wisdom (makes you smarter, basically)
  • Preserve the Balance: reflect consequences of criminal behaviour targeting you on the person who did it, so if they steal from you they lose their own money. If it works that would be hilarious for a major feudal lord whose vassals rebelled, as then their own vassals would rebel against them.
  • Reprobate's Sentence: sickens a criminal you correctly accuse from a crime until they surrender to justice
  • Retribution: makes a criminal severely debilitated
  • Shackles of Verena: imprisons someone as if in invisible shackles
  • Sword of Justice: empowers your sword and makes you better at using it against criminals
  • Blind Maiden: you can tell if people you can see are lying. Also can see through illusions and disguises, and people trying to hide
  • Past Revealed: learn the three most important things about a touched object
  • Trial by Fire: an accused criminal burns with divine fire that does not shark the innocent but does enormous damage to the guilty
  • Words of Truth: target is compelled to answer a question and answer it truthfully

These are generally pretty amazing for a ruler
 
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Alratan said:
Although I'm in favour of Mandred being a wizard, if it was possible a miracle worker of Verena would make an amazing Emperor. The spells they have are:

  • As Verena is My Witness: become more convincing when speaking the truth
  • Eavesdrop: you can hear anything happening anywhere you can see (great with a telescope and a good vantage point)
  • Owl's Wisdom: your mind is flooded with divine wisdom (makes you smarter, basically)
  • Preserve the Balance: reflect consequences of criminal behaviour targeting you on the person who did it, so if they steal from you they lose their own money. If it works that would be hilarious for a major feudal lord whose vassals rebelled, as then their own vassals would rebel against them.
  • Reprobate's Sentence: sickens a criminal you correctly accuse from a crime until they surrender to justice
  • Retribution: makes a criminal severely debilitated
  • Shackles of Verena: imprisons someone as if in invisible shackles
  • Sword of Justice: empowers your sword and makes you better at using it against criminals
  • Blind Maiden: you can tell if people you can see are lying. Also can see through illusions and disguises, and people trying to hide
  • Past Revealed: learn the three most important things about a touched object
  • Trial by Fire: an accused criminal burns with divine fire that does not shark the innocent but does enormous damage to the guilty
  • Words of Truth: target is compelled to answer a question and answer it truthfully

These are generally pretty amazing for a ruler
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The other side of that being that culturally, they are often the centre of rabble rousing.
 
Ninbefor said:
But we don't need Mandred as Emperor to get a good Emperor. Heidi herself admits this.
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Where? If you're talking about the below section, that's Mathilde's internal monologue, not Heidi's. Heidi herself doesn't give a value judgement on anybody else becoming emperor.
Boney said:
And besides that, it would be far from the end of the world if someone else became Emperor. Grand Duke Feuerbach of Talabecland is the most likely candidate now, but he's also a decade older than Luitpold and unlikely to outlive him. Given time for the younger Elector Counts to build a legend for themselves... Emperor Boris of Middenland, the man who made friendship with Laurelorn possible? Emperor Wolfram of Ostermark, who is responsible for the push for Dwarven infrastructure that is on the verge of revolutionizing travel in the Old World? Empress Roswita of Stirland, even? Who's to say that any of these would be worse than Emperor Mandred II?
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Wasnt there a Word of Boney post that Verena priests won't spam their lie detector magic on the nobility otherwise the nobility would shut them out?
 
With the Ranald option being laid out as such a big risk, I'm much more comfortable taking the guaranteed win of EC Wizard than rolling for secret Ranald Priest Emperor.

Mind you, I seem to recall Magnus had a brother who was EC while he was Emperor. It's not impossible for Heidi to have a second child, and raise him as candidate for Emperor. Luitpold would have to survive for even longer, though.

[x] Wizard
 
So I was thinking about who to talk too and Carcassone was my first choice, but than I though about it. Next turn we will most likely be getting the information together since humans do not like to wait months to years. So we should not talk to them till after .
My next choice is Middleland because we may want to bring them into the project and would like to get a read on them. Also to find out the deal Thorek made with the dawi there. If Thorek is going into those cursed mountains I would like to go with him since he is valuable to the waystone project and almost irreplaceable in that he is a dawi who is indifferent to elves and does not outright hate them.

Third I was thinking Barak Var to find out how Best duckling is doing with mad dog pass and how there Sarotosa adventure is going. They also are one of the best places in the world to get ahold of rare items since they are one of the major trading hubs on the continent. It would be a good idea to make friends.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
With the Ranald option being laid out as such a big risk, I'm much more comfortable taking the guaranteed win of EC Wizard than rolling for secret Ranald Priest Emperor.

Mind you, I seem to recall Magnus had a brother who was EC while he was Emperor. It's not impossible for Heidi to have a second child, and raise him as candidate for Emperor. Luitpold would have to survive for even longer, though.

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So, Magnus was a minor noble without any real importance title-wise who was elevated to Emperor because, well, he was Magnus the Pious and the entire country would have ripped the EC to shreds if they'd done anything else.

After Magnus was made Emperor, according to Liber Mutatis (3rd edition RP), he made his younger brother Gunthar (or Gunther) Grand Duke of Middenland because the position was empty after the Great War Against Chaos. Though, timelines don't really seem to make much sense here, given that Gunthar was considered a natural heir to Magnus when Magnus died ~65 years later, but if he was put in power shortly after the Great War Against Chaos he'd have to have been in his 70s or 80s at minimum?

At any rate, Magnus is the only example I'm aware of where someone was elected Emperor who was not an Electoral Count, and if the standard to match is Magnus the Pious, then I don't hold much hope for Mandred's hypothetical sibling to manage that. Mathilde doesn't come close to matching Magnus the Pious.

(Also according to Liber Mutatis, Gunthar was considered a shoe-in to win the vote to become Emperor, but was manipulated by agents of Tzeentch to publicly butt heads with the Grand Theogonist at Magnus' funeral over a supposed miracle of Magnus' burial shroud that left him politically toxic and saw him forced to give up rulership of Middenland)

(There's an image of Boris Todbringer's family tree that I'm pretty sure is from 1st edition RP that shows him descended from Gunthar- I'm pretty sure Boney referenced it in the bit where Mandred was being named that his family claims relation to Magnus the Pious. I'm pretty sure it's from 1st edition because it has the Von Bildhofens as Electors, so I'm pretty sure this would have had the Von Bildhofens as Electors controlling Middenland and the Todbringers as Electors controlling Middenheim- in 2nd edition, Todbringer held both with a single Electoral vote, and the Von Bildhofens ruled Carroburg, the 2nd most important city in Middenland that's been held by parties hostile to the Grand Duke multiple times in the past)

(Side-note, because I was looking through Tome of Corruption for relevant sources about the above and came up on this bit- Tome of Corruption has a passage on page 87 where it manages to confuse Asavar Kul with Morkar, claiming that it was Morkar that united the hordes of Chaos in the Great War Against Chaos and died fighting Magnus the Pious. And like, there are other places in the book where it does have it as "Morkar fought Sigmar, Asavar Kul fought Magnus the Pious", so I really don't know what was going on there)
 
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Guile said:
Oof, nothing has made me wish we picked the Royal Bodyguard option like this revelation
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I get the impulse, but I still maintain that a bodyguard position is well below our status and paygrade(*) as a Lady Magister. If Heidi wasn't a sort-of friend and definite co-religionistconspirator, I'd almost consider it an insult.

* Ironic, yes, that it probably would have paid a lot better than our current role. :)
 
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Alliterate said:
I get the impulse, but I still maintain that a bodyguard position is well below our status and paygrade(*) as a Lady Magister. If Heidi wasn't a sort-of friend and definite co-religionistconspirator, I'd almost consider it an insult.

* Ironic, yes, that it probably would have paid a lot better than our current role. :)
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I mean that's 'cause "bodyguard" would in large part have actually meant "miscellaneous troubleshooter of troubles that warrant getting Lady Magister degrees of shot," as I recall.
 
It was being formally employed in role to my mind more suited to something like a former Greatsword officer who'd done their 20 years that annoyed me.
 
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