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Why do we want that much Manfred to be emperor anyway? Would it make him happier? And there's 3 other very good candidates. And a wizard EC is still a giant step in the good direction.

Becoming a wizard won't make him loose his EC title, so loosing privileges isn't a problem. It is one with becoming a Ranaldite priest.
Why do we the players want Mandred to be Emperor? Various reasons come to mind, like the interesting story that might result, the epic shakeup if it works out or the perks of being the Emperor's godmother.

Why does Mathilde want it? Reasons like rote loyalty to her godson or to her god. And selfish reasons of access to political power with which to change the world for the better (as she sees it) come to mind. But maybe she doesn't care that much to see him on the throne. As mentioned, an openly Wizard EC might further her interests much more. And simultaneously bring her personally closer to her godson. And it allows for Roswita to become Empress instead, which combined with a Wizard EC might be even better for her. Both because the adult Roswita has already proven herself worthy and likeable and because of all the potential perks and connections for all those many people Mathilde likes that would benefit from it, including herself.

But Heidi didn't come to Mathilde to ask her what would be most convenient for her personally. She came to ask what Mathilde thinks is best for Mandred and/or how much she should trust and have faith in their mutual patron god and/or how much Heidi can continue her plots without becoming a bad mother. How much we are motivated by a fair and impartial assessment if what's best for Mandred and Heidi and how much we allow self-interest (be it player self interest or IC simulated self-interest) to play a role is our own free choice.

Whether becoming Emperor would make Mandred happier than not becoming Emperor is impossible to tell. Among the living only Luitpold has any insight at all into that. And apparently right now he still thinks thag grooming his son for the role is a good idea. But whether that's based on an honest assessment of pros and cons for his son's future quality of life is anyone's guess.

Emperors have more privilege than ECs, even if it also comes with more duties.

And losing everything as a Ranaldite Priest is a risk, not a certainty. Just like fatally miscasting as a Wizard is a risk. Just like discarding the dampeners and being tempted into Dhar-poisoning or worse is a risk.
godmother of the Emperor's heir
Pretty sure that that's still a secret and that Luitpold has had whatever the typical (probably Sigmarite) baptism ritual is for an Imperial Holswig-Schliestein heir. Whether that ritual comes with its own godparent equivalent I have no idea.
@Boney Does Mathilde know if Mandred has a second "official" godparent?
Maybe? I mean, we aren't sure what Ranald approves and disapproves of.
We know that Ranald is not just the patron god of Robin Hood style criminality. Nor only of definitely righteous revolution. Nor specifically of con artists with a heart of gold.
'Bored nobles', who live on a deathworld and where diplomatic relations and statecraft are literally matters of life and death. They'll pick practical gossip nearly every time because focusing on juicy gossip means that it'll be death, while practical gossip means it's more likely to be life.

Amongst their other duties, Grey Wizards literally serve as a an informal part of the Empire's diplomatic service. The Emperor has regular meetings with the Grand Theogonist, with the Supreme Patriarch, with the Reiksmarshall, and with countless others. No one is going to bat an eye about that. They won't bat an eye when he has private meetings either, because there are many things that need privacy to discuss.

Similarly, the Empress meeting with very senior imperial officials, which Mathilde is, should be absolutely standard. It's both of their jobs, and everyone will know that. A Grey Lady Magister meeting the Empress is a signal that something important yet clandestine is happening, and that they should pay attention.
There's two gossip streams. The social gossip that is used to get an in with other courtiers it is "shared" with, manipulate the dumber ones, keep up appearances of propriety, and play subtle social dominance games. And the gossip of political realism up to life and death questions that the smart share with either their closest allies or the highest bidder, but that doesn't get talked about around the coffee table. Some courtiers confuse the two. Other courtiers benefit from that and thus encourage it.
 
Flashback system sounds similar to what "Blades in the dark" does.
Yes, quite similar, Leverage could well have inspired John.
Also the underlying system, Cortex Plus has IMO a better (more nuanced, more bounded, and under player control) implementation of ideas similar to Aspects and Tagging and Compels from Fate. It's got a lot of great features.
haven't been any visit from Grey Order enchanters.
Visits plural?
 
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When it comes to bored nobles, if given the choice between practical gossip and juicy gossip, they'll choose juicy gossip every time. It also bears mentioning that Mathilde and Heidi somehow "hit it off" at some indetermined period of time back in Stirland and this woman who's never been to court suddenly jumped to personal confidant of the Empress herself and godmother of the Emperor's heir out of nowhere. This is a position that people would literally kill to get. And Mathilde has been having constant private meetings with Heidi for years now, meetings that are so unsubtle by this point that Heidi no longer even tries to hide them. Every time Mathilde comes in Heidi happily dismisses all the attendants. Heidi has dozens of courtiers, and they're all jealous of Mathilde's position. Why does she get to have this honored role in Heidi's personal life? Clearly it's because she's Heidi's lover.

It has nothing to do with being corrupted with smut novels. It's just a logical conclusion to make from a noble court considering the circumstances. If you swap Mathilde with literally any man they would make the exact same conclusion, and in this setting heteronormativity is not nearly as prevalent, so that's just what happens.
Eh, for myself the logical conclusion is that Empress has her own spymaster. But yeah, the jealous couriers would probably go with she's totally her lover.
And now you got me wondering whether Empire has its own Lady Whistledown expy.
 
Eh, for myself the logical conclusion is that Empress has her own spymaster. But yeah, the jealous couriers would probably go with she's totally her lover.
And now you got me wondering whether Empire has its own Lady Whistledown expy.
Spymasters are supposed to be subtle. No one knows who the Emperor's Spymaster is except for the Emperor himself. There are rumors, but they're often contradictory. But to be fair, same thing is said of Grey Wizards.

Anyways, one last statement. Spymaster and lover are not mutually exclusive positions :V
 
Spymasters are supposed to be subtle. No one knows who the Emperor's Spymaster is except for the Emperor himself. There are rumors, but they're often contradictory. But to be fair, same thing is said of Grey Wizards.

Anyways, one last statement. Spymaster and lover are not mutually exclusive positions :V

I think that the identity of the Emperor's spymaster was public and was a matter of, ironically, dissent within the court because the person who held the role was from a family traditionally opposed to the Holswig-Schliestein dynasty.

Spymaster and lover are two positions that should never be combined under any circumstances, as if there's anyone that you don't want to sugarcoat things, it's the former, and they might well be compromised by their attentions.
 
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I think that the identity of the Emperor's spymaster was public and was a matter of, ironically, dissent within the court because the person who held the role was from a family traditionally opposed to the Holswig-Schliestein dynasty.
I believe that's something from either 3rd or 4th Edition. I distinctly remember it as a plot point in the 1st Edition story arc that was like, I think its name was "Empire in Flames" or "Power Behind the Throne", which was revamped for 4th Edition. 2E contradicts itself on who the Spymaster is several times.
 
Most places don't have a public Spymaster, that was a Stirland thing:

If anyone else had an official spymaster, the reactions from pretty much everyone with power would be "wait, who are they spying on? is it me? it's me, isn't it? HOW DARE THEY SPY ON ME". With Stirland, it's more "yeah, that makes sense, those poor bastards".

Anyone important enough to raise a fuss is already read in to the Conspiracy of Silence, and Spymaster isn't a public-facing role in places without a public-facing Vampire menace to combat.

Yet to be determined, but probably something circumspect. Outside of Stirland there's a lot of different names for that sort of thing. Interior Minister, perhaps.
 
I thought the current Spymaster was also The current Head Dip (the bismark expy) in canon.

the whole problem in second ed was his replacement was way easier to influence?
 
I thought the current Spymaster was also The current Head Dip (the bismark expy) in canon.

the whole problem in second ed was his replacement was way easier to influence?
Bitternach's position (Chamberlain of the Seal) is stated to be the Spymaster in Night's Dark Masters, but Sigmar's Heirs states it is the Chancellor of the Reikland.
 
Ironically a good cover for a Spymaster
Page 24 of Heirs of Sigmar 2E says that the Chancellor of the Reikland, Count Siegfried von Walfen, is the Imperial Spymaster.

Page 57 of Night's Dark Masters, on the other hand, says this:

"Amongst the Emperor's advisors in the Council of State is the Chamberlain of the Seal. Whilst the chamberlain performs the diplomatic duty of managing foreign relations, he is also the unofficial master of the Emperor's spies and assassins. For this reason, the position of chamberlain is one the Lahmians have long sought control over.

The previous Chamberlain, Otto von Bitternach, known as the Iron Graf for his pragmatism and strength of will, was immune to the Lahmians' charms and ploys for the duration of his service, first to Luitpold, then to Karl Franz. When old age finally claimed Bitternach, strings were pulled, and a more pliant replacement was found. Baron Amadeus Mencken is an apprehensive and uncertain man who was easily convinced of a need to clean house when he took over the position, and he appointed Baroness Helena von Culper as a Master of the Komission of the Imperial Archives, one of the Empire's chief information-gathering agencies."

I suppose a way to reconcile these two pieces of information is to make it so that the Chancellor of the Reikland is the "official" spymaster and the Chamberlain is the unofficial one, creating a front, or having two separate spymasters, or rumors creating a situation where no one knows who the spymaster is, or the truth of the matter being that neither are the Spymaster, there's a third secret individual that's the true spymaster. You could make a thousand different scenarios to explain this.
 
I think the only thing we know about the imperial spymaster in quest is that he's the one who sent Professor de Verezzo to be Van Hal's martial advisor, and after he was executed for grand fraud, nominated the other three candidates for the position—all of whom were flawed in some way (although Gustav turned out alright in the end).
 
Are we going to condemn an innocent seven-year-old to spend his life lying about who he is? Tell him he has to live always on the verge of being found out and cast out or, worse, rebelled against or poisoned?

That's a heck of a thing to force on a kid, unless the only other option is a bad Emperor.

But we don't need Mandred as Emperor to get a good Emperor.

Mandred as an openly Wizard Elector Count would change the whole Empire for the good, just by being a halfway decent person who was a public noble and wizard.

So why condemn Mandred to a life of lying, and our Empire to risks that go all the way up to two-emperors schism or civil war?

Let him be a Wizard, and he can reform the whole Empire just by being an Elector Count, without having to live a terrifying lie that he can never be caught in.

Make Mandred a Wizard, and we won't have to apologize to this kid when he grows up, for the trap we locked him into when he was just seven.

I don't think you lock a seven-year-old into a life of lying about who he is, without a darn good reason.

[X] Wizard
 
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I mean as a reader and not a player, was it mandatory to roll that Mandred was a wizard? I'm critiquing but what made you want to roll in the first place?
Also onto what to say to Heidl, if her mother wants im 100% to be emperor than the dampeners are the best choice, followed by Ranald worship and practice. After that if she's fine with him not being emperor than as a wizard elector count would be best as I don't see a wizard emperor being possible.
 
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