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Seriously, two plans for godhood, and the only two guys in the old world to be born for thousands of years that could possibly stop him, where around for the date of the plans.
I suppose you could make an argument for his giant ritual that created the Tomb Kings, but I don't really see how his attack on the nascent Empire was a plan for godhood. He was just after his Crown.
 
All I'm hearing is that if we want to get the most knowledge out of reading magic theory/spell books, then we need to read Nagash's. Let's get to it, we got books to find!
 
Dumb question, how does Mathilde typically do her hair now? I know their was a specific place it was mentioned but I can't find it.
 
I too am broadly against seeking noble patronage, all out contacts so far work against making a good impression, and even Luthien's character does not seem to speak of any desire for their patronage. This is the woman who mass produces swords and buys Druchi steel on the cheap, then turns around and tries to wear a smith's apron for a night on the town. Do we really want to force her to make nice with the nobility, the regular nobility I mean not pirates and the ruby mafia?
...Wrong thread?
 
Dumb question, how does Mathilde typically do her hair now? I know their was a specific place it was mentioned but I can't find it.

Longer hair in plaits, more muscle, more confidence, more intensity. Not so much signs of physical ageing.

One in each side, in the dwarven style.

Over the years, combing and braiding your hair in the morning has become part of your daily rituals, a meditative focus that works better for you than any number of more formal methods and mantras. You've recently learned that having someone else do it for you is drastically less good at gathering your focus, but as a trade-off is astoundingly better at putting you in a calm and relaxed state of mind.

Also there was a quote somewhere about how the grey college teaches mundane actions such as brushing hair as a meditative focus because normal meditation techniques make it harder to maintain your disguise when undercover, but I can't track it down.
 
Pretty much every greatly respected historical thinker of our history who advanced human knowledge was also dead wrong. What was known to be scientific fact at pretty much any point in history - including, I absolutely guarantee you, right now - is seen or will be seen as ridiculously and self-evidently wrong a few generations later to an extent that it can be difficult to believe that someone that was seen as a genius of their time believed in such fatuous bullshit. That Decartes, eh? Light being made of 'corpuscles'? What a twit.

Teclis' model of magic is great at explaining the kinds of magic used on Ulthuan, but of course it's going to fall apart when you try to make it apply to all the kinds of magic used in the Old World. Similarly the theories of the Old World would fall apart in an instant if you carried them over to Cathay and tried to make sense of the Lores of Yin and Yang. Nagash's legacy lives on to this day because he managed to build a build a form of magic that integrated a whopping two completely different paradigms. This is why you can only get a +5 bonus from the books of any one culture for any one subject, because at this point nobody is going to have a framework that is going to be anywhere close to universal.

The wisest of all knows that they know nothing, but scientific nirvana is bad at building siege weapons. The gaping flaws in Archimedes' grasp of physics came as no comfort to the besiegers of Syracuse, and that Teclis was unable to fully explain the magic of the Kurgan did not stop his teachings from killing a great many of them in Kislev.
TLDR, get the perspectives of a great many people, it will be inspirational. Thankfully we are getting as many of them as possible already.
 
Also there was a quote somewhere about how the grey college teaches mundane actions such as brushing hair as a meditative focus because normal meditation techniques make it harder to maintain your disguise when undercover, but I can't track it down.
I gather her hair is pretty long now, too:
And uncut these last few years, perhaps?
She's a busy woman, haircuts would just be a waste of time.
Well, quite.
Half an hour spent brushing out your waist-length hair every night is simply good time for reflection on the days events.
And braiding it in the morning or when required is useful time to contemplate the risks ahead.
The Grey Order encourages meditative activities like these instead of more traditional methods of meditation, because they can be kept up without risk when one goes undercover.
 
Pretty much every greatly respected historical thinker of our history who advanced human knowledge was also dead wrong. What was known to be scientific fact at pretty much any point in history - including, I absolutely guarantee you, right now - is seen or will be seen as ridiculously and self-evidently wrong a few generations later to an extent that it can be difficult to believe that someone that was seen as a genius of their time believed in such fatuous bullshit. That Decartes, eh? Light being made of 'corpuscles'? What a twit.

Teclis' model of magic is great at explaining the kinds of magic used on Ulthuan, but of course it's going to fall apart when you try to make it apply to all the kinds of magic used in the Old World. Similarly the theories of the Old World would fall apart in an instant if you carried them over to Cathay and tried to make sense of the Lores of Yin and Yang. Nagash's legacy lives on to this day because he managed to build a build a form of magic that integrated a whopping two completely different paradigms. This is why you can only get a +5 bonus from the books of any one culture for any one subject, because at this point nobody is going to have a framework that is going to be anywhere close to universal.

The wisest of all knows that they know nothing, but scientific nirvana is bad at building siege weapons. The gaping flaws in Archimedes' grasp of physics came as no comfort to the besiegers of Syracuse, and that Teclis was unable to fully explain the magic of the Kurgan did not stop his teachings from killing a great many of them in Kislev.
Most of modern mathematics could summed as 2000 years of histories Brightest thinkers versus Euclid.

The dude stood undefeated from most of human history, a true genius that probably shaped the world as we know it more then anyone else.

But even he was, eventually, proven wrong.
 
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On the subject of Mathilde knowing Necromancy I can just imagine a future fight with a necromancer and Mathilde giving harsh criticism about their choice of Necromancy spells or a dozen other mistakes they do when using it.
 
On the subject of Mathilde knowing Necromancy I can just imagine a future fight with a necromancer and Mathilde giving harsh criticism about their choice of Necromancy spells or a dozen other mistakes they do when using it.
Even when she was watching Alkharad teach his students necromancy via long-distance resurrection, she didn't really bother critiquing it silently in her mind. Possibly because she herself was taking notes on just how he was controlling the undead from so far away, but still, she didn't have anything bad to say about the resurrection process, other than the standard "Dhar, bad."
 
Pretty much every greatly respected historical thinker of our history who advanced human knowledge was also dead wrong. What was known to be scientific fact at pretty much any point in history - including, I absolutely guarantee you, right now - is seen or will be seen as ridiculously and self-evidently wrong a few generations later to an extent that it can be difficult to believe that someone that was seen as a genius of their time believed in such fatuous bullshit. That Decartes, eh? Light being made of 'corpuscles'? What a twit.

Teclis' model of magic is great at explaining the kinds of magic used on Ulthuan, but of course it's going to fall apart when you try to make it apply to all the kinds of magic used in the Old World. Similarly the theories of the Old World would fall apart in an instant if you carried them over to Cathay and tried to make sense of the Lores of Yin and Yang. Nagash's legacy lives on to this day because he managed to build a build a form of magic that integrated a whopping two completely different paradigms. This is why you can only get a +5 bonus from the books of any one culture for any one subject, because at this point nobody is going to have a framework that is going to be anywhere close to universal.

The wisest of all knows that they know nothing, but scientific nirvana is bad at building siege weapons. The gaping flaws in Archimedes' grasp of physics came as no comfort to the besiegers of Syracuse, and that Teclis was unable to fully explain the magic of the Kurgan did not stop his teachings from killing a great many of them in Kislev.
So much this.
As I began my physics studies our professor gave us a copied prologue from "complete physics works" of 189-something, before 1900 in any case. It was one of the absolutely best physics books of its time, and the prologue basically said that physics are as well as understood, everything is already written and the future generations of physicists will only have to sort out a few edge cases and organize some odds and ends. This was, of course, before works of Maxwell, Einstein and Lorentz, to name just a few, changed our understanding of physics a little less than fully.
So yes, in a hundred years a lot of what we think we know will be seen as wrong, incomplete if not outright naive.
 
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Interestingly enough, I don't think we are going to be wrong, exactly. You can derive newton's equations from einstein's if you just restrict the cases, and proving Euclid "wrong" was really more of a "yes, and" in practice too.

So I think you can say our perspective is wrong and will change, but I think our knowledge is only going to be added to.
 
Interestingly enough, I don't think we are going to be wrong, exactly. You can derive newton's equations from einstein's if you just restrict the cases, and proving Euclid "wrong" was really more of a "yes, and" in practice too.

So I think you can say our perspective is wrong and will change, but I think our knowledge is only going to be added to.
On the other hand the Hoeth/Teclisian model is closer tto Aristotolian or Gallilean theories then Newtonian or General Relativity.
 
Mmh, thinking about it, we know both divine magic and the winds are made out of the same base, the vitae. So in their base Form their the same but they then get "flavored" by their use or with what they Interact.
Now what if teclis is right but the other way around. Not that divine magic is the same as... Wind magic? But that both are the same source but with different flavors? Something is turning vitae into the winds, maybe it's elven gods that just don't interfere.
What I'm trying to say is, maybe divine magic is not wind magic but wind magic is divine magic.
 
On the other hand the Hoeth/Teclisian model is closer tto Aristotolian or Gallilean theories then Newtonian or General Relativity.
Who said?
Aristotelian physics is basically empty philosophy which never could be used for direct practical needs, and when the need for actual systemic physics for those applications arose, it quickly was discarded. Winds theory is successfully used for millennia for killing things and more. It's not only Elven - Lizardmen use Winds paradigm, Cathay seemingly at least knows the concept.
I don't understand why thread is dominated by idea that Teclisean theory wrongly describes the behaviour of its own subject, instead of just being not full and not fundamental end of it all. Teclis perhaps thought the latter, that's his problem, not theory's.
 
Who said?
Aristotelian physics is basically empty philosophy which never could be used for direct practical needs, and when the need for actual systemic physics for those applications arose, it quickly was discarded. Winds theory is successfully used for millennia for killing things and more. It's not only Elven - Lizardmen use Winds paradigm, Cathay seemingly at least knows the concept.
I don't understand why thread is dominated by idea that Teclisean theory wrongly describes the behaviour of its own subject, instead of just being not full and not fundamental end of it all. Teclis perhaps thought the latter, that's his problem, not theory's.


That's pretty much my position, but I think much of the thread agrees with us: Teclesian theory accurately describes what it covers but has large gaps. A complete theory would cover all soul-based energy manipulation.

But in the question of "Is divine magic wind magic?" I'm pretty sure the answer is yes if you think the gods are an extension of your soul, and no of you think the gods are separate entities from you.
 
That's pretty much my position, but I think much of the thread agrees with us: Teclesian theory accurately describes what it covers but has large gaps. A complete theory would cover all soul-based energy manipulation.

But in the question of "Is divine magic wind magic?" I'm pretty sure the answer is yes if you think the gods are an extension of your soul, and no of you think the gods are separate entities from you.
Well it accurately describes what it's used for but this is the same guy who then went on to say divine magic was actually just deluded arcane magic, so it's more that people use what it accurately covers then quietly ignore the other bits.
 
Does Mathilde know what happened to the Darkwald runefang? Because I feel like some elf would display it on a mantle.
It's sitting in the Imperial Treasury. Gets used when somebody needs it and Luitpold's willing.

(The Runefang for the other lost province, Solland's, in-canon is used by the Reiksmarshal Kurt Helborg- Kurt's probably not Reiksmarshal here, but it might be in-use by the current holder of the office)
 
It feels too dismissive, elves are not perfect so of course one of their greatest minds made this obvious blunder, see we have this one second hand account written in another language to back it up.

... you aren't very familiar with philosophical and scientific history are you? Aristotle was easily one of humanity's greatest minds and he was dead wrong about damn near everything. But it took a long time for scholars to actually develop alternative explanations that were more useful. Lord Kelvin claimed that the world was less than a few million years old because by his calculations the sun would have gone out if it was older than that, so therefore Darwin must be wrong. Lord Kelvin's calculations were correct by the way, he just didn't know about radiation which can last a much longer time than chemical reactions. Einstein spent a huge portion of his life fruitlessly trying to debunk Quantum Mechanics.

Warhammer is set in roughly Renaissance era, rigorous experimentation is only just starting to catch on among scholars.


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