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Regimand is extremely competent and comfortable at his current level of responsibility and doesn't seek anything higher than that, and the Grey Order isn't stupid enough to turn an extremely good Magister into a sulky and uncooperative Lord Magister.
I'm weirdly disappointed by this. I always saw him as 'extremely good Magister, but very much hit his ceiling before even being up for consideration'

Having him be... I dont know, 'Almighty janitor'd: I could if i wanted to!' kind of undervalues the role of Lord Magister. for the people that have it, and the people that don't.

there should be people that are very good at what they do, but will never be good enough for the role, and I thought he fitted that narrative spot well. even more so as mathy outstripped him in (mostly) ability over time.

edit: plus, wasn't his learning 18?
 
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I'm weirdly disappointed by this. I always saw him as 'extremely good Magister, but very much hit his ceiling before even being up for consideration'

Having him be... I dont know, 'Almighty janitor'd: I could if i wanted to!' kind of undervalues the role of Lord Magister. for the people that have it, and the people that don't.

there should be people that are very good at what they do, but will never be good enough for the role, and I thought he fitted that narrative spot well. even more so as mathy outstripped him in (mostly) ability over time.

edit: plus, wasn't his learning 18?
I strongly emphasize with this. Though with the shit he gets up to (assassinating the empress and a ton of others, killing a beast shaman after a multi day duel through a deliberate misscast [or at least he claims it was deliberate], chain casting spells to the point he can basically fly), he kinda does fit. So Regimand actually had some foreshadowing that he falls in this category. Honestly, every single story we've heard about him actually doing stuff is kind of ridiculous.

Like, a plan that starts by deliberately giving cultists a handle on you either makes you a great fool or a stone cold badass. It seems like all of his plans are like that, which seems to be the mark of a truly great wizard.
 
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I'm weirdly disappointed by this. I always saw him as 'extremely good Magister, but very much hit his ceiling before even being up for consideration'

His ceiling is "Have the empress killed with none the wiser" though, so it does sort of make sense that what's holding him back is he lacks the passion/interest to consistently push himself to operate at that level.

It's true though that I always sort of mentally slotted him into I guess what you could call a "standard" grey wizard archetype. As much as that could exist, basically a full set of advanced intrigue skills, solid diplomacy and martial skills, but without a sort of bespoke to him special quality to really separate himself from the pack.
 
I'm weirdly disappointed by this. I always saw him as 'extremely good Magister, but very much hit his ceiling before even being up for consideration'

Having him be... I dont know, 'Almighty janitor'd: I could if i wanted to!' kind of undervalues the role of Lord Magister. for the people that have it, and the people that don't.

there should be people that are very good at what they do, but will never be good enough for the role, and I thought he fitted that narrative spot well. even more so as mathy outstripped him in (mostly) ability over time.

edit: plus, wasn't his learning 18?

I'd like it if people would consider the answers I give in the context of the question they are a response to, instead of taking them as a context-free WoQM statement that encompasses all there is to know about a given situation. What is the main factor holding him back from LM? That he doesn't want to be LM. For the Grey Order, that trumps anything else, so that's the answer I gave to that specific question.
 
I strongly emphasize with this. Though with the shit he gets up to (assassinating the empress and a ton of others, killing a beast shaman after a multi day duel through a deliberate misscast [or at least he claims it was deliberate], chain casting spells to the point he can basically fly), he kinda does fit. So Regimand actually had some foreshadowing that he falls in this category.
but he also very clearly implied that he 'stop' before battle magic, which can be taken as just magic, but also can imply that he stopped really developing past a point, by purpose or by falt.

plus, again, learning 18, which is very good, but not what would imply LM and no implication that he has been rocky style montioging to try and keep up with Mathy
 
Fuller answer: Regimand is good at Grey Wizarding, that's why he made Magister. He's been good at Grey Wizarding for a long time, which has made him very good at it. He's built up a lot of contacts and experience and knowledge over the years. This is what you should expect of any Grey Wizard of advanced age: that they are very good at whatever their job happens to be. The Journeyman examinations are stringent enough that almost all Magisters turn out to be damn good Magisters, and unlike the other Orders the Grey Order doesn't let its Wizards just take a nice cozy sinecure somewhere reading the palms of rich old ladies or whatever, and yet over 90% of them will die as Magisters. This is not a failure on their part. It's not one of those things where if you've punched the clock long enough without punching your boss you'll get the promotion eventually, and if you don't something must be wrong with you. Lord Magister requires more than that. You need to be considered exceptionally loyal, exceptionally able, exceptionally reliable, and exceptionally experienced. Regimand could be argued to tick the reliable and experienced boxes, but his ability has plateaued and the whole conspiracy thing muddied the waters enough that there's some questions even though most of the details of that never got out. If he really wanted Lord Magister he could push himself harder to increase his abilities, do something to prove his allegiances, or find a Great Deed to do to waive one of those boxes, and possibly die in the attempt... but he doesn't want it. He wants to do what he's already doing.
 
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Heh, Mathilde is defintely less loyal than Regimand. Maybe stuff like admitting to grief makes her look more loyal for her "honesty."
 
Would you say that due to Grey Wizard's of advanced age being very good at their thing results in a more* fluid hierarchy in terms of who is listened to in differing situations? Like Regimand being perceived as and acknowledged by other Grey Wizards as the one to listen to in spycraft situations, despite Mathilde being LM?


*As compared to other colleges. ('cept the Amber college, which taken as a whole has shown itself to be eminently sensible in such matters (edit: titles nonsense)).
Heh, Mathilde is defintely less loyal than Regimand. Maybe stuff like admitting to grief makes her look more loyal for her "honesty."
I think she just has the 'not been caught yet (as far as she knows)' advantage there tbh. :p
 
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Would you say that due to Grey Wizard's of advanced age being very good at their thing results in a more* fluid hierarchy in terms of who is listened to in differing situations? Like Regimand being perceived as and acknowledged by other Grey Wizards as the one to listen to in spycraft situations, despite Mathilde being LM?

Yes, and I'd say that's universal to the Colleges. Wizarding is full of odd little nooks and crannies where you need specialists to guide you, and a lot of the time the most knowledgeable person in a given subspecialty would be a Magister or even a Perpetual Apprentice.
 
Fuller answer: Regimand is good at Grey Wizarding, that's why he made Magister. He's been good at Grey Wizarding for a long time, which has made him very good at it. He's built up a lot of contacts and experience and knowledge over the years. This is what you should expect of any Grey Wizard of advanced age: that they are very good at whatever their job happens to be. The Journeyman examinations are stringent enough that almost all Magisters turn out to be damn good Magisters, and unlike the other Orders the Grey Order doesn't let its Wizards just take a nice cozy sinecure somewhere reading the palms of rich old ladies or whatever, and yet over 90% of them will die as Magisters. This is not a failure on their part. It's not one of those things where if you've punched the clock long enough without punching your boss you'll get the promotion eventually, and if you don't something must be wrong with you. Lord Magister requires more than that. You need to be considered exceptionally loyal, exceptionally able, exceptionally reliable, and exceptionally experienced. Regimand could be argued to tick the reliable and experienced boxes, but his ability has plateaued and the whole conspiracy thing muddied the waters enough that there's some questions even though most of the details of that never got out. If he really wanted Lord Magister he could push himself harder to increase his abilities, do something to prove his allegiances, or find a Great Deed to do to waive one of those boxes, and possibly die in the attempt... but he doesn't want it. He wants to do what he's already doing.
Boney, I just want to say, it never ceases to amaze me how much depth you put into your cast of characters. It's a damn big cast, and this kind of thoughtfulness shows everywhere the reader turns.

In one paragraph you managed to show how an author should be thinking about their world, their characters, and the interactions between the two in order to weave a narrative. It's a writing masterclass in a nutshell.

Serious respect, man.
 
Thinking about it, Mathilde would be the Magister you go to if you need to do anything with the dwarves or need advice on necromancers and orc shamans. Maybe the rats but more for the language then fighting. (other Magister did probably more direct fighting then us, especially in rat build tunnels instead of dwarf holds.)
 
Did you mean Vlag? If so, no:
I'm pretty sure "Karag Dum" was correct. After all, they're a bunch of self-proclaimed Runemasters (as opposed to Runelords) who, if the Expedition is to be believed, used runecraft to bind Morghur to serve as their protector. If that's not radical, I don't know what is.

Of course, there's the entire Karag Dum thing that has to be figured out before recruitment is even a possibility, but still...
 
For reference, [ ] Favour to Mira is definitely not the truth. The truth is 'the Empress you had assassinated was replaced by a woman who had previously pretended to be a member of the conspiracy you assassinated the Empress for being a part of, who was able to pull off the deception partly using Ranaldian magic which I personally gathered by being possessed by Mork and then funnelling that power to Ranald, and now I seek to bury this matter for the safety of my godson, the heir apparent'.

You can write that in if you want.
Cool!
[X] The Empress you had assassinated was replaced by a woman who had previously pretended to be a member of the conspiracy you assassinated the Empress for being a part of, who was able to pull off the deception partly using Ranaldian magic which you personally gathered by being possessed by Mork and then funnelling that power to Ranald, and now you seek to bury this matter for the safety of your godson, the heir apparent.
 
[X] The Empress you had assassinated was replaced by a woman who had previously pretended to be a member of the conspiracy you assassinated the Empress for being a part of, who was able to pull off the deception partly using Ranaldian magic which you personally gathered by being possessed by Mork and then funnelling that power to Ranald, and now you seek to bury this matter for the safety of your godson, the heir apparent.
"Also, not only do I possess the original, unabridged Liber Mortis, I also read it cover to cover and used the knowledge I gained to advance my insights into Dhar. I mean, since it's a time for revealing secrets."
 
@Boney How big of a deal is being Publicly anti-Sigmar in the Empire? Like, is it enough to get you shunned and denounced? Technically one could argue that such a stance isn't very different from how Cults compete with each other.
 
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Nah, Mathilde doesn't talk about her secret reading material with her dad, that's just wrong
"I also have a lot of Erotica and Smut of various demi-humans ranging from Druchii and Eonir, and much much more of Skaven! Of course I have normie human stuff too like Dwarven and Brettonian, but you won't believe how raunchy the rats get! I was already shocked with how creative the Dwarves got with Valaya and Grungi, but you won't believe what Skaven bdsm erotica is like!"

"..."

"As long as we're being honest of course"
 
"I also have a lot of Erotica and Smut of various demi-humans ranging from Druchii and Eonir, and much much more of Skaven! Of course I have normie human stuff too like Dwarven and Brettonian, but you won't believe how raunchy the rats get! I was already shocked with how creative the Dwarves got with Valaya and Grungi, but you won't believe what Skaven bdsm erotica is like!"

"..."

"As long as we're being honest of course"
Skaven have a lot more tentacle hentai then you would think. A lot more.
 
"I also have a lot of Erotica and Smut of various demi-humans ranging from Druchii and Eonir, and much much more of Skaven! Of course I have normie human stuff too like Dwarven and Brettonian, but you won't believe how raunchy the rats get! I was already shocked with how creative the Dwarves got with Valaya and Grungi, but you won't believe what Skaven bdsm erotica is like!"

"..."

"As long as we're being honest of course"
…That's a Grudging. :V
 
"I also have a lot of Erotica and Smut of various demi-humans ranging from Druchii and Eonir, and much much more of Skaven! Of course I have normie human stuff too like Dwarven and Brettonian, but you won't believe how raunchy the rats get! I was already shocked with how creative the Dwarves got with Valaya and Grungi, but you won't believe what Skaven bdsm erotica is like!"
Definitely wasn't expecting Regimand to tell Mathilde this, but I suppose he's just trying to support and connect with her.
 
@Boney How big of a deal is being Publicly anti-Sigmar in the Empire? Like, is it enough to get you shunned and denounced? Technically one could argue that such a stance isn't very different from how Cults compete with each other.

Not worshipping Him is the norm for about half the Empire - there's all those other Gods, after all, and someone who primarily worships someone else isn't expected to do more than take a bite out of the Sausage of Sigmar every Sigmartag. Not liking Him is the norm for as much as a fifth of the Empire, mostly Ulricans and Taalites who think He has too much prominence or has authority over things that should be the domain of their Cults. And there are fair and legitimate criticisms that can be levelled against the institution of the Cult of Sigmar, and in most major cities you can find someone doing so at the top of their lungs at one city corner or another. It's only if you deny His divinity, argue that nobody should be worshipping Him, that you enter the danger zone.
 
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Not worshipping Him is the norm for about half the Empire - there's all those other Gods, after all, and someone who primarily worships someone else isn't expected to do more than take a bite out of the Sausage of Sigmar every Sigmartag. Not liking Him is the norm for as much as a fifth of the Empire, mostly Ulricans and Taalites who think He has too much prominence or has authority over things that should be the domain of their Cults. And there are fair and legitimate criticisms that can be levelled against the institution of the Cult of Sigmar, and in most major cities you can find someone doing so at the top of their lungs at one city corner or another. It's only if you deny His divinity, argue that nobody should be worshipping Him, that you enter the danger zone.
Mmh, where would Mathilde's disdain for Sigmar trait fall in this scale? She doesn't deny his Divinity, but does believe that he's unworthy of worship.

Also, is the Karag Dum Expedition the only known example of an expedition that survived returning from the Chaos Wastes proper without undue loss or corruption? In fact, considering how rare such expeditions would be to start with, are there other known examples of chaos waste Expeditions at all?
 
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Mmh, where would Mathilde's disdain for Sigmar trait fall in this scale? She doesn't deny his Divinity, but does believe that he's unworthy of worship.

If she explained fully, then people would understand that as grief, and she might actually receive visits from a few of the more kindhearted Sigmarites who want to try to talk her through it. If she didn't, then it's a justifiable institutional matter. If for some bizarre and inexplicable reason she explained the exact depth of her dislike for Sigmar without also explaining why she feels that way, then that theoretical Mathilde would have a bad time.

Also, is the Karag Dum Expedition the only known example of an expedition that survived returning from the Chaos Wastes proper without undue loss or corruption? In fact, considering how rare such things would be, are there other known examples of chaos waste Expeditions at all?

'Chaos Wastes' is largely considered a matter of perspective. There are citizens of the Empire who would consider Praag the Chaos Wastes, Tileans who would consider Nordland the Chaos Wastes, and Arabyans who would consider Tilea the Chaos Wastes. If you mean as far north as the Expedition went, it probably would be the only one since Asavar Kul in the Old World, but that'd be more because nobody bothers. You have to either march through Kurgan steppe or sail to the far side of Norsca to reach it and there's really nothing there worth the trip. But Naggaroth does have watch towers further north than Mathilde travelled, and of course Karag Dum was a part of the Karaz Ankor until Asavar Kul, and the Norse Dwarves had fortresses further north than Karag Dum.
 
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