Thanks! @Boney Would it be possible to put that in the Informational thread?
He is still a Lord Magister, who was chosen as Magister Patriarch of his order. He is known as the Hero of Whatevero, and has many achievements to his name. Sure, he's shit at diplo and committed many stupid mistakes. That doesn't make him a failure too stupid to talk and walk at the same time.
From the fourth update in the quest:
Alberich II Haupt-Anderssen the canon Elector Count of Stirland is indeed the person who got sucked into hell.
Part of my rationale when writing that was that it would amuse Ranald the Deceiver to use Him as part of a deception, and it's even half-true because a large part of Mathilde's motivation to stay involved is Ranald's gamble with Heidi.
That's all well and good, but I don't want Alric to succeed because it makes our job harder. The guy has shown the propensity for wanting to bring down his detractors and those who get in his way, and we got in his way. Assisting him in the process of getting back in power will only make our job harder.
We have seen the guy twice. Three at the most.
This puts Mathilde's own personal interests above the needs of the Empire. Prioritizing Intra-faction squabbles above the machinations of Chaos is exactly what the Grey Order is supposed to stand against. We don't need his help, and we should do what we can to protect Heidi, but at the same time, we shouldn't be actively sabotaging him either, and I wouldn't rule out working together.
Maybe I would trust him to be above those squabbles if he didn't go digging into crypts in Stirland to find something he could use against Elspeth because he was salty.
I'm not arguing that we should contact him. I don't really care about what we choose. I just don't agree with the argument that he is too stupid and incompetent to be of any help. That doesn't mean it's desirable to reveal ourselves to him, but saying he's useless is just wrong.
OK so we are going against what we have seen of him being incompetent 2-3 time and the constant bitching of his former apprentice on the basis of the fact that he won the duel to be head of the Colleges... in the relatively distant past? Yeah I do not buy it.
I get that the narrative of 'putting aside our differences in the service of a higher goal' is attractive, but this is warhammer not an after school special. Friendship is not magic, magic is magic and it comes from hell.
More to the point sometimes your rivals are incompetent, malicious or both, that is why the rampant paranoiacs make such a crack secret service.
As I understand it, if the daemons dead the articles of magic doesn't care. And also most are not talking about asking him for help, but we also don't want him to succeed at this specifically because it could lead him back to Heidi, which might lead back to us.
And you are waaaaaay to sure he's absolutely incompetent and a fool. We can be pretty sure he's not but your argument is basically "we have seen him thrice and know him in and out now. We disregard everyone telling us that yes he's old but he's also hilariously dangerous and still has quite a bit of political capital even with his diplo fuck ups, and even the apprentice who immensely dislikes him still thinks he's an outstanding wizard."OK so we are going against what we have seen of him being incompetent 2-3 time and the constant bitching of his former apprentice on the basis of the fact that he won the duel to be head of the Colleges... in the relatively distant past? Yeah I do not buy it.
I get that the narrative of 'putting aside our differences in the service of a higher goal' is attractive, but this is warhammer not an after school special. Friendship is not magic, magic is magic and it comes from hell.
More to the point sometimes your rivals are incompetent, malicious or both, that is why the rampant paranoiacs make such a crack secret service.
I think he was thinking less about Elspeth and more about finding a great evil to defeat, and being thwarted by Elspeth reminded him that there was something out there that defeated one of his fellow Magister Patriarchs. It's possible for it to be petty, but it's by no means confirmed. It should be remembered that much of our recent information on him comes from Mira, his rival, Egrimm, his bitter student. And Elrisse is at worst neutral, and considers him a friend, and Regimand himself stated that he was the perfect man for the job of taking out some Chaos plot.
The information we got about him being kicked out was confirmed by the EIC. The fact that Roswita kicked him out, and she has absolutely no reason to be biased against him and every reason to want to accept the help of a Magister Patriarch, shows that he seriously stepped over a line to piss her off. That alone shows a massive fuckup happening.
She kicked him out because he showed no interest in helping against the current campaign against vampires, and instead chose to investigate Hexensohn's death. That's an intrigue failure, but I don't see how that fact leads to the conclusion that he must be petty.
