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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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primemountain said:
No. Unless someone comes up with an idea that entirelly orthogonal to this, IE something like the Runelords use for recharging anvil, we aren't touching AV-Divine actions. We can offer AV up to a priest, like the Runelords, to see if they can come up with a God Sactioned use for it, but the days of Mat looking for AV-Divine research are over.
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Actually yes. Faith was just no crystals not no dead Ranald power.

Boney said:
Whether that would be permissible or not is not affected by choosing Faith here and sacrificing the crystal.
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Codex said:
I don't think we should tell Heidi unless Ranald gives us the god ahead. This is such a huge secret that Mathilde has absolutely no idea it even existed until it popped up. Maybe Heidi knows, but I don't want to spill it to her if she doesn't.
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Now that i think about it (and checked the location of the shrine), i agree.

BUT

We can now go act smug and mysterious at Heidi, dropping hints and fishing about to see if she knows, and if she doesn't, be insufferably smug about knowing something she doesn't.
 
Also, much as it is on the far, far side of likelihood, I really do like the idea of Mathilde being a secret demigod of Ranald. It's just a funny thought. And I could even see Ranald revealing he had daughters without, you know, telling Mathilde she is one. It's the sort of thing he would do.
 
It's almost if not completely guaranteed that Heidi, the priestess of Ranald and Shallya both, the conwoman who Ranald spent his illicit gambling gains he got from us on, the madgirl who masqueraded as vampire countess in fucking Sylvania, knows about them.

That doesn't mean we should pester her about it.

Again, at the risk of repeating myself. This is obviously a huge secret. Don't spread it around unless we absolutely have to.

No, being extremely curious doesn't constitute as a "have to".
 
primemountain said:
The first time I read that, I miss read it. That's what happens with linked double negatives. The "be permissible or not is not affected" tripped me up. But I have no idea how you mean for Mat to direct Ranald's energy. Wouldn't she need an allied priest?
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Dump AV on the coin, boom you have Ranaldiness on this side of the veil that you can try to weave with Ulgu, this being a form of reverse theurgy that only Mathilde could ever cast, not world changing but potentially life saving just the same by expanding our repertoire of spells into domains that pure Ulgu cannot touch.
 
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Codex said:
Identical twins are typically the same gender (unless one of them is trans).
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Identical (or monozygotic) twins have the same DNA, so by definition they always have the same birth gender. Dizygotic twins, on the other hand, can be of different birth gender and are no more genetically closer than « normal » siblings.

neutronium95 said:
I'm not really interested in getting anything concrete from the daughters, but I really want to meet them. If they're anything like their father, they should be really fun to interact with. I wonder if they might be a bit more talkative, instead of communicating exclusively through signs and omens. Maybe something more like what Heidi has with Ranald.
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They're the children of one of our friends, that's reason enough meet them🙂
 
Raiseth said:
I wonder how these kids are, in general. If pretty much nobody knows about them, nobody worships them by extension. Are they… mortal? And somewhere in the Empire?
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Nobody knows about them is not actually something we can say definitively. Certainly nobody knows that they ARE Ranald's daughters. Some other goddesses being Ranald's daughters with mortals being ignorant of the fact is within the realm of possibility.

Y'know pressuming that Ranald IS Loec, there is one noteworthy pair of sister goddesses besides the obviously-not-candidates-for-shallya's-daughters Shallya and Myrmidia.

Hekarti and Atharti.
 
Boney said:
[New face of the Coin - The Father: Ranald's daughters, and Their followers, will recognize you as being worthy of trust and faith.]
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@Boney, does this apply to followers of Ranald too, or did we just receive the trust of the followers of two goddesses so obscure that we'd never heard about them? Because that doesn't sound like it's a lot of followers...
Or am I missing some obvious Warhammer lore element, like "Loec has daughters and their followers now trust us, which incidentally confirms the Ranald = Loec theory" ?

NSMS said:
Okay, so after thinking for a minute... this is a huge show of trust of Ranald's part. This is a secret so secret it's not even known to be a secret, and he revealed it to us. He revealed his family, something he's apparently taken great pains to hide from everyone, to us.

That's... wow.
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It's a perfectly normal secret. A secret "known to be a secret" isn't a secret (or at best it's a really shitty one that people know to look for).

Incidentally, did we know that Abelhelm had children before he died? Or did we learn of their existence after Drakenhof? IIRC we knew he had some in a secret location.
This is exactly as much trust as Abelhelm gave us, I think. I like that motif.
 
So I'm thinking we should try and guess at who the kids are in thread then use our library aquisitions next turn to pick up books on our top 3 candidates to try and confirm it. I think the description of the kids may be relevant:
Boney said:
two small girls, one who heavily resembles Her father with a hint of Her mother, and the other Her mother with a hint of Her father.
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I think one of them is probably similar to Ranald in domain with hints of Shallya's and the the other the other way around. I do wonder if that goddess of magic one group of hedgefolk worship is one or if that is just wishful thinking on my part.
 
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Looking for the secret Cults of these two Goddesses may well be dangerous for them, as it may reveal them. It's also probably a conflict of interest to find them, as they're very unlikely to be in the big book of sanctioned gods, and as I understand it part of the Grey College's jobs is to identify and destroy cults of unsanctioned gods that try to infiltrate themselves into Imperial society.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Boney, does this apply to followers of Ranald too, or did we just receive the trust of the followers of two goddesses so obscure that we'd never heard about them? Because that doesn't sound like it's a lot of followers...
Or am I missing some obvious Warhammer lore element, like "Loec has daughters and their followers now trust us, which incidentally confirms the Ranald = Loec theory" ?
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Just Ranald, so you received the trust of two goddesses and Their followers. The rest is speculation.
 
Raiseth said:
It's almost if not completely guaranteed that Heidi, the priestess of Ranald and Shallya both, the conwoman who Ranald spent his illicit gambling gains he got from us on, the madgirl who masqueraded as vampire countess in fucking Sylvania, knows about them.

That doesn't mean we should pester her about it.
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You know in hindsight, when you put it like that, that does shine another light on the whole "Oh yes I did the Shallyans some favors..." thing of Heidi's.

What if Heidi might have run into something Ranald-Shallyan related?

I think we should try to arrange the timing to have us wear the Father coin Facet when we have another meetup with Heidi. And see if she reacts somehow.

... Also. I just remembered Eike. She's a Shallyan too, right? Who's learning to be a little kid Grey Wizard right? Well, with what we just learned... that might mean that finding out more about Ranald and Shallya's daughters might then be interesting in terms of implications for instructing Eike. In matters of faith and religion, I mean. i.e. Getting ideas from Ranald's daughters, and applying some of their strictures or lessons to Eike, who is a Shallyan with Ulgu.
 
Alratan said:
Looking for the secret Cults of these two Goddesses may well be dangerous for them, as it may reveal them. It's also probably a conflict of interest to find them, as they're very unlikely to be in the big book of sanctioned gods, and as I understand it part of the Grey College's jobs is to identify and destroy cults of unsanctioned gods that try to infiltrate themselves into Imperial society.
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There is also the fact that one of the major arguments for Faith was 'it would not cost more AP'. I do not think it is entirely resonable to turn around and say 'we should use AP to find these obscure cults next turn'.
 
Codex said:
I don't think we should tell Heidi unless Ranald gives us the god ahead. This is such a huge secret that Mathilde has absolutely no idea it even existed until it popped up. Maybe Heidi knows, but I don't want to spill it to her if she doesn't.
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I agree, but I'm thinking. Heidi did get her rejuvenations from Shallyans, or favor with Shallya, didn't she? This might be a new angle, or it might be nothing.

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Or Heidi is a daughter, and her youth comes from Shallya being hey mom. .... But that would add divine blood to the current emperor's family line, so probably not?
 
Boney said:
Yes, but it's the divine energy of Ranald and wouldn't really reveal anything. Being able to alter depictions of themselves is a pretty well-established ability for all sorts of supernatural entities.
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The obvious implications being either:

A: Ranald knew that Mathilde was going to recieve erotic pictures of Him for her shrine, and decided it would be funnier to let it happen.

Or B: Ranald actively changed the painting Mathilde ordered to be erotic before she got it, presumeably because the face she made when she found out was hilarious.
 
It is honestly pretty funny, now that I think about it. Part of Mathilde's personal reasoning (taken from thread debates) is 'well I'd really love to but damn I have so much on the table already' and 'it would be pretty risky', and then Ranald's reward for sacrificing the crystal was something so secret we didn't even know it was a secret.

"Damn, I'd absolutely do this, but it's just so risky and there's so much else to do and it's just kind of a dick move, might as well send it up to my bud to see if there's something."
"Oh sick yeah I'm a dad"
"Wait-"
 
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