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The 'revelation' of a fifth side of the coin called The Father gives me the mental image of a fifth aspect of Ranald that sneaks in at night and steals children away from abusive households.

It would fit his scriptures too, a proper bloodless way of making orphans.
 
That isn't true actually. Priests at the very highest ends are weaker than Wizards at the highest ends, the effects of their miracle working tend to be far smaller in scale and more focused on individual workings rather than battlefield changing spells. The tradeoff is that Priests don't miscast. They have Wrath of the Gods, but the consequences of Wrath of the Gods is not nearly as severe as miscasting..

I think the upper end of wrath of the gods, like roll a 99 on a 1d100 can make you get a proper miscast as a priest, so I think it would be more accurate to say that priests very rarely miscast.
 
Well, am sad this research topic is locked out now. But the fifth side of are "super special fun coin" is a cult verificationator/ Demi-god detector. Cool. Still would have liked the research, Goddess of Magic Weber had a nice ring to it.

To note, the fifth face of the Coin isn't that. It says:

- The Father: Ranald's daughters, and Their followers, will recognize you as being worthy of trust and faith.

They recognise Mathilde, Mathilde doesn't recognise them.
 
He could have given Mathilde some sort of sanction, and didn't. Instead He gave Mathilde some related insight on His own terms. That matter of divine fingerprints should be treated as closed.

Whether that would be permissible or not is not affected by choosing Faith here and sacrificing the crystal.

Sorry to bother you Boney but if you could be ultra clear with a yes/no that would be great. (I read the words but???).

1. Finger printing all gods are off the table?
2. Because it risks Ranalds daughters?
 
I think the upper end of wrath of the gods, like roll a 99 on a 1d100 can make you get a proper miscast as a priest, so I think it would be more accurate to say that priests very rarely miscast.
A clarification of this. Rolling 100 on a D100 on Wrath of the Gods triggers a Major Chaos Manifestation. Rolling a 91-100 on Vengeance of the Gods causes a Catastrophic Chaos Manifestation. Priests also have a lower Magic score and typically roll less dice, so they have a lower chance of getting doubles, meaning they suffer from Wrath/Vengenace less often than Mages with Miscasts. In the tabletop I'm pretty sure they are straight up incapable of miscasting at all. Their spells are too weak to justify it, since they typically only affects a single model or just their unit.
 
I suppose if Ranald is actually Leoc there's the possibility of his daughters being Elven goddesses that may have 'adherents' that we can gain assistance from.
Sorry to bother you Boney but if you could be ultra clear with a yes/no that would be great. (I read the words but???).

1. Finger printing all gods are off the table?
2. Because it risks Ranalds daughters?

Finger printing the gods as a research avenue was sacrificed, it's gone.

What might still be open is further divine AV study in the sense of immediate application for instance using it to super charge the coin by providing energy he can make use of on this side of existence. Otherwise divine research beyond immediate application is over. We wont be pulling back the veil or learning deeper lore, and no the fact that gods can have children is not a revelation in the warhammer fantasy setting it's literally religious dogma for the old world pantheon.

That Ranald has kids specifically is I suppose a revelation but not exactly much of one. More importantly I don't believe we can share AV ever now. Mathilde is not the only person that could spill AV on a religious relic if she shares AV with her college wizards. So it can never be shared for fear that some one else will come up with the same idea.
 
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A clarification of this. Rolling 100 on a D100 on Wrath of the Gods triggers a Major Chaos Manifestation. Rolling a 91-100 on Vengeance of the Gods causes a Catastrophic Chaos Manifestation. Priests also have a lower Magic score and typically roll less dice, so they have a lower chance of getting doubles, meaning they suffer from Wrath/Vengenace less often than Mages with Miscasts. In the tabletop I'm pretty sure they are straight up incapable of miscasting at all. Their spells are too weak to justify it, since they typically only affects a single model or just their unit.

Fair enough I was just remembering a priest of Sigmar I was playing one time getting possessed by a daemon of Khorne while fighting orcs. the daemon actually kept fighting the orcs because they were the more fun enemy. I'm assuming Sigmar approved. :V
 
So, I guess the next item on the agenda is figuring out who Ranald's daughters are:

1. Tzeentch, JUST AS PLANNED!
2. Stupid Sexy Lahmians
3. To Everyone's Surprise, Mork
4. RANAAAAAAALD
5. Clan Eshin, yes-yes!
6. The Slann, somehow

Edit: Vampires! Vampires, everywhere!
NSMS threw 1 6-faced dice. Reason: Daughteru Total: 2
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So, I guess the next item on the agenda is figuring out who Ranald's daughters are:

1. Tzeentch, JUST AS PLANNED!
2. Stupid Sexy Lahmians
3. To Everyone's Surprise, Mork
4. RANAAAAAAALD
5. Clan Eshin, yes-yes!
6. The Slann, somehow

Well that is technically possible maybe, though the way to get there is rather complicated:
  1. They would have to incarnate as mortals
  2. Then be drained of their lives by a vampire, probably a progenitor,I cannot imagine any others being strong enough
  3. Have their souls sealed for eternity in their corpses as they are given the Blood Gift
On the plus side it would explain why the cult of Shaylla is so lousy with Lahmians, she looks the other way when it is her daughters doing it. :V
 
if the two baby goddess doesn't have dominions yet maybe we can help them get ones.

the empire could really use a goddess of magic

for the second one it had been all but confirmed that handrich is an aspect of ranald, so it be nice to have proper goddess of trade, wealth and craftmen
It has never been confirmed. There's speculation about it, and there are certainly some similarities (the crossed fingers sign is both the sign of Ranald and Handrich, but they use different hands for it), but it's not as ironclad as one might think.

I mostly say this because Handrich is a God of Trickle Down Economics and I don't want Ranald to be associated with that. I prefer theft thank you very much.
 
Also, to those who didn't see the post I made way back about the Widow and Ranald:


Chances are the Widow and her siblings are Elinill's children and Loec indirectly caused their death, which resulted in them being mad at Ranald because he might or might not have a connection to Loec.
While this remains pretty much valid, Ranald having kids is not evidence for it.

A clarification of this. Rolling 100 on a D100 on Wrath of the Gods triggers a Major Chaos Manifestation. Rolling a 91-100 on Vengeance of the Gods causes a Catastrophic Chaos Manifestation. Priests also have a lower Magic score and typically roll less dice, so they have a lower chance of getting doubles, meaning they suffer from Wrath/Vengenace less often than Mages with Miscasts. In the tabletop I'm pretty sure they are straight up incapable of miscasting at all. Their spells are too weak to justify it, since they typically only affects a single model or just their unit.
They are capable of "miscasting" on the tabletop. But because of the mechanics, the consequences are extremely minimal.
 
That Ranald has kids specifically is I suppose a revelation but not exactly much of one. More importantly I don't believe we can share AV ever now. Mathilde is not the only person that could spill AV on a religious relic if she shares AV with her college wizards. So it can never be shared for fear that some one else will come up with the same idea.
I don't see how this stops us from sharing AV, Mathilde is the only person with an infinite supply of AV and any she hands out is going to be for uses at least as important as recharging anvil runes. Given the rarity and importance of its usage combined with it's habit of exploding into winds if agitated it is likely to be handled with great care. But even assuming it does spill on a divine artifact, most wizard's don't have Mathildes ability to sense divine energies so it's unlikely they would realise exactly what happened or get the idea to trap it in a crystal to try and examine it. And even if somebody does somehow do it that's a one off event it becomes pretty suspicious if they try to get more AV off Mathilde to use for this since they then wouldn't be using it for whatever purpose she gave it to them for.
 
Bit too busy with work at the moment to ponder on the deeper revelation of the children but...


Ranald worshippers are everywhere. They're basically a grassroots organization.
So here's a difficult question we couldn't answer before "How do you get the paranoid and factionally splintered Hedgewise onto the Waystone project?"

The answer is "Ranald himself taps some of them on the shoulder and winks."
 
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