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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
Qretch's conception of a Skaven lifetime seems to vary within that sentence. You have the Ambush at Mount Cragg (2305) occurring 10 lifetimes ago, which is 180 years, which gives a Skaven lifetime being around 18 years, but then you have the Battle of Kurgel's Gulch, which occurred in 1401 being fifty lifetimes ago, which gives you 28 years. Then you have Baldrin of Brionne from 1001 being seventy lifetimes ago, which is 25 years.

I do appreciate that all these events are from the Ogre Kingdoms book though.
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No, it's pretty consistent. We are circa 2500 now, (2500-1400)/50=22, (2500-1000)/70=21-22. I don't know where did you get 28 from.
 
The Phoenixian said:
Honestly, variation makes some sense here. This is a body-sourced measurements a la leagues and cubits. If the distances a man walks in an hour or the length of his forearm have significant differences, especially across cultures, then it's to be expected that Skaven lifetimes are also variable.

If anything, the way the dates are skewed here seems to suggest that Skaven lifetimes have either been getting shorter as time went on, and/or simply that still significant variation within lifetimes, since not everyone who dies of old age will do so at the same old-age.
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Sure. But you'd expect Qretch, a single Skaven, to have a consistent measurement in mind. Especially if, as seems to be the case, this is the primary way he has of telling time beyond "a year".

Jyn Ryvia said:
To be fair, when I say 'a life time' I'm being vague, not stating 'around 72.6' years.
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A good point, but lifetime seems to be an actual unit of measurement here. Not a vague but long time. It's like Qretch's equivalent of a decade.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Sure. But you'd expect Qretch, a single Skaven, to have a consistent measurement in mind. Especially if, as seems to be the case, this is the primary way he has of telling time beyond "a year".


A good point, but lifetime seems to be an actual unit of measurement here. Not a vague but long time. It's like Qretch's equivalent of a decade.
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That's the thing, I do expect Qretch had a consistent measurement when he said that: How many generations of Skaven had that story passed through. The numerology isn't consistent in years, because it isn't being measured in years; it's most likely being measured in the numbers of significant people who have since come-and-gone.
 
The Phoenixian said:
That's the thing, I do expect Qretch had a consistent measurement when he said that: How many generations of Skaven had that story passed through. The numerology isn't consistent in years, because it isn't being measured in years; it's most likely being measured in the numbers of significant people who have since come-and-gone.
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He didn't get those stories through Skaven, he got them through our books.

Skaven, broadly, don't keep history and don't care about history.
 
Ol' Tin Knight said:
I usually just pronounce it how it looks, regardless of whether or not I know that's wrong. So, Eonir would be Ee-oh-near, and Asur would be Ah-sur. Like I said though, that's probably not the 'correct' pronunciations.
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Knowing GW, its Ah-sur, because GW and subtle are explosive when combined.

Its not an accodent that Asur and Azure is similar when GW made them also better than everyone, on their own island apart from everyone else, and made them rulers of the sea. The only way they could code them more as being the British is by fucking giving them a fucking top-hat and monocle. They are halfway there already with a Pointy Hat.
 
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Would it be a good idea to make an agreement with Qretch where we help his clan gain some ground in a location that we are planning to capture, with the condition that his clan doesn't attack us, stop any other clan from arriving close to our location and help us from time to time in fighting against an enemy that we both have? This is mostrly so that we don't have as many problems with the skaven that live below us at all times.
Or would that be a dumb idea?
 
Daedwartin said:
Knowing GW, its Ah-sur, because GW and subtle are explosive when combined.

Its not an accodent that Asur and Azure is similar
when GW made them also better than everyone, on their own island apart from everyone else, and made them rulers of the sea. The only way they could code them more as being the British is by fucking giving them a fucking top-hat and monocle. They are halfway there already with a Pointy Hat.
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I always saw the high elves as being Byzantine coded, rather than British coded.
 
The Dark Revan said:
Would it be a good idea to make an agreement with Qretch where we help his clan gain some ground in a location that we are planning to capture, with the condition that his clan doesn't attack us, stop any other clan from arriving close to our location and help us from time to time in fighting against an enemy that we both have? This is mostrly so that we don't have as many problems with the skaven that live below us at all times.
Or would that be a dumb idea?
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There are no longer any skaven living below us. They're gone. Karak Eight Peaks controls its own territory, above and below ground.

(The only reason Moulder was here in the first place was because this was the seat of Clan Mors's power, and so the loyalist clans were competing to stamp out Mors as part of the civil war. Mors is gone, so there isn't actually any reason for skaven to come here anymore unless they specifically want to attack Karak Eight Peaks, and obviously if they do that there isn't really any bargaining to be done with them.)
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Sure. But you'd expect Qretch, a single Skaven, to have a consistent measurement in mind. Especially if, as seems to be the case, this is the primary way he has of telling time beyond "a year"
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Why would he?

Skaven would have highly variable lifespans between backstabbing, poor diet, disease and warp poisoning.

Beyond that Skaven society isn't a place for careful record keeping - there's not going to be a rich historical tradition with precise dates but rather a hundred disparate boasts and tales of terror meshed together to form a loose cultural bedrock even for mid and high ranking skaven.

The Dark Revan said:
Would it be a good idea to make an agreement with Qretch where we help his clan gain some ground in a location that we are planning to capture, with the condition that his clan doesn't attack us, stop any other clan from arriving close to our location and help us from time to time in fighting against an enemy that we both have? This is mostrly so that we don't have as many problems with the skaven that live below us at all times.
Or would that be a dumb idea?
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Who exactly could we talk to? Verminkin is based in Skavenblight and Moulder territories are up to the far north.

It'd be quite hard to convince an important enough skaven to form any sort of halfway stable pact and then even that fragile understanding would be gone with them.
 
Mopman43 said:
That always felt like, well, late British Empire to me.

Like, powerful naval faction that had colonies around the globe that's been shrinking for ages? Far better fit for the British than the Byzantines.
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Especially since if you look at a lot of other factions, a lot of them are blatent attempts to make a take that at some part of British Politics.
 
It was sayed that some skavens were making some patrolls underneath the dwarven tunnels, so there is the possibility that they are planning to rebuild, or have rebuild already, the city that was below us but even depper into the ground.
 
The Dark Revan said:
I think that they were talking about that when we were building the tower at the top of the mountain. I remeber that patrol said that they found some skavens but that they didn't know if they were going to grb something back fomr their outpost or something else I can't really remember.
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I mean, if you're talking about the Eye of Gazul, that was before all the Skaven were pushed out of Karak 8 Peaks.
 
Here's what @The Dark Revan is thinking of:
Boney said:
"Anything further, Dreng?" Belegar asks.

"Some signs of Skaven activity at the extreme edges of the under-Karak, but it seems like very light scouting activity and they've retreated as soon as challenged."

"Might just be checking to see if anyone's left," you muse. "Either Skavenblight loyalists making sure that there's no Mors left, or leftover Mors trying to regain contact with their former leadership."

"Do you think the Skaven will try to retake the Karak?" Belegar asks you.

"If they sense weakness, yes, but no more so here than anywhere else. Those that came here looking to stamp out Mors either died in the attempt or would have lost a great deal of status for putting so many resources into something with so little pay-off. None of them can really claim the credit for Mors being stamped out here, though I'm sure they're all trying to. So they'd be focusing elsewhere, on grabbing former Pestilens holdings if their Civil War is still ongoing, or on consolidating and jostling for position amongst the new status quo if it's been ended. As for any potential Mors holdouts, they'd be looking for somewhere they could re-establish themselves and recover without being discovered and exterminated, so they wouldn't come back here."
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