Well, the thing is, have we "checked" all the way down until it is physically impossible to dig any deeper?
Because if not? There are probably Skaven below us.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Because if not? There are probably Skaven below us.
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The more likely think is that they ckecked down until where the skaven camp used to be.
It's very, very easy to see Ulthuan as colonial Britain and the comparison isn't invalid, but I don't think it was intentional, as it came about in its current form more or less by accident. Early on the 'High Elves' were Atlantis and the 'Sea Elves' were sort of Celtic Venetians, which is why Marienburg's Elf Quarter of Sith Rionnasc'namishathir sounds odd compared to most other Eltharin words, and the two were very distinct, sort of like an early version of the division between Ulthuan's Inner Kingdoms and Outer Kingdoms except much more so. In later editions the Sea Elves were scaled dramatically back in number of colonies and turned into the modern Cothique, and even then you have to really squint to find any English cultural influence in Ulthuan's Ten Kingdoms. Instead you get parts of England everywhere: Bretonnia gets the Arthurian mythos, Albion gets the Celtic history, Ulthuan gets the wooden walls and rump colonies, greenskins get the football hooligans.
On a side note, it turns out that this part of Elven history through the editions is why the Treaty of Amity and Commerce is odd. Trade with the New World used to be a much bigger deal when the Lizardmen lived in caves, Slann were just these weird frog-shaped bandits, and the entire eastern coastlines of both continents were lined with Sea Elf and human colonies, but the Treaty wasn't updated when the Lizardman resurgence pared the colonies right down to one per nation.
On a side note, it turns out that this part of Elven history through the editions is why the Treaty of Amity and Commerce is odd. Trade with the New World used to be a much bigger deal when the Lizardmen lived in caves, Slann were just these weird frog-shaped bandits, and the entire eastern coastlines of both continents were lined with Sea Elf and human colonies, but the Treaty wasn't updated when the Lizardman resurgence pared the colonies right down to one per nation.
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And the Empire gets the currency system and some bits of slang.
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I also feel like there's a "Athens and Sparta" sort-of dynamic between the Asur and Drucchi that mostly only exists when you're comparing the two, not in other contexts.
Not so much, the Holy Roman Empire and a lot of the rest of Europe had shillings and pennies (or schillings and pfennigs, or scillings and pennings, etc), it's just that they lasted longer in England than most other places. The words seem to date back to regional nicknames for Roman solidi and denarii.
Hard to say, because they were pretty much the only ones making written records at the time. But the ruins of Elven colonies can be found on just about every coastline and I find it hard to believe they never so much as nudged anyone out of the way to build any of them.
Their different treatments of Khaine seems like a solid match for how Athens and Sparta differed in worship of Ares.
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So I'm reading Lure of the Liche Lord, and I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit. I've read so many sourcebooks that a good old fasioned adventure book seems refreshing and new in comparison. I also happen to enjoy the writing and the contents of the book. In particular, Fatandira, who might be the first female Arabyan character I've seen in WHF? She's cool, I like her. The actual characters and events are pretty far away from DL's timeline, but the map is not:
The names in the areas should be disregarded, and so should Vitrolle and I believe Fatanbad. Neither have been made yet. But Zenres and Mirstadt:
These are the operating areas of the current Border Princes around the Howling River. Also notice the Tomb Valley up there to the north?
I guess Gretel will eventually get her wish. Karitamen is around the Howling River area, and as long as the project to take control over the area is underway he will eventually become a problem. I could see it having been an issue if we chose to be Border Princess, but now it's up to other people to deal with a vengeful Tomb King. Sounds fun.
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...Huh. Ok. I came across something in the Total War subreddit that made me do a double take and I went on a search binge, and I'm kind of baffled.
Borek Forkbeard, the leader of the Dum expedition in DL, is a canon character. We know this. What I didn't know was that Borek has a nephew who joined Gotrek and Felix in their second expedition to Karag Dum. His name is Varek Varigsson, and he is a scholar who writes down chronichles and events down in his book as they occur, and wanted to record the expedition to Karag Dum or something.
Varek is a Gotrek and Felix character, but here's the thing. He doesn't have a wiki page despite playing a part in the book about as much as Malakai Makaisson. I figured out who he was by google translating the Spanish Warhammer Wiki.
For those who can speak spanish.
I'm going to guess his canonicity in DL is in the same spot as Belegar's brother. Technically canon but not in DL. I sure went on a journey to discover his existence. If he existed in DL we would be paying him the 2000 gold.
Borek Forkbeard, the leader of the Dum expedition in DL, is a canon character. We know this. What I didn't know was that Borek has a nephew who joined Gotrek and Felix in their second expedition to Karag Dum. His name is Varek Varigsson, and he is a scholar who writes down chronichles and events down in his book as they occur, and wanted to record the expedition to Karag Dum or something.
Varek is a Gotrek and Felix character, but here's the thing. He doesn't have a wiki page despite playing a part in the book about as much as Malakai Makaisson. I figured out who he was by google translating the Spanish Warhammer Wiki.
For those who can speak spanish.
I'm going to guess his canonicity in DL is in the same spot as Belegar's brother. Technically canon but not in DL. I sure went on a journey to discover his existence. If he existed in DL we would be paying him the 2000 gold.
Total war does the second one.
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The system was imposed across large swathes of Europe by Charlemagne in 796. Although interestingly, while pound traces its origin back to the Roman Libra Pondo (also why the abbreviation is Lsd (Libra, solidus, denarius) which often confuses people) Shilling comes through German, meaning "to cut" or "to divide" (possibly in turn drawing from the Phoenican shekel) while the various words for penny probably originates from the German word for pan, because the coins were thin and flat, and then embossed on one side making them 'pan-like'.
The question marks surrounding the fate of Borek and Karag Dum still leaves the matter in limbo, Borek potentially having family members south of the Chaos Wastes that Mathilde doesn't know about doesn't change that. A potential heir could try to have Borek and every other possible heir declared dead in absentia and have Borek presumed intestate, but since they can't get Karag Dum to do so they'd have to go to Karaz-a-Karak and try to convince the High King to do so - which would be extremely difficult for a whole bunch of reasons - and they'd have to know about the debt in the first place to have reason to go to all that trouble.
The you have to go into the whole problem of 'chasing the debt of the one person that just made a book that painted your clans/holds shame in the best light that was possible considering all factors.
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They'll still do it, being dwarfs.
But they will give Mathilde a low interest rate, compounded every decade.
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It's worth noting that the modern role of Lizardmen in the setting and Lustria more broadly was first established in their original 1997 army book, whereas Sold Down The River, where the concept of the treaty comes from, was actually written 2 years later, in 1999. So it's less of of an edition issue and more to do with the fact that it was kinda tacitly accepted for a while that WFRPG and WFB proper had closely-mirrored, but ultimately divergent settings, with no real effort made to unify them into something cohesive. WFRPG also kept running with Versailles-Bretonnia for a while after that was nixed, too.
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Looking more deeply into it, apparently Borek came in to ask for assistance from the Karaz Ankor some time before the Great War Against Chaos, and was separated from his polity after the Karaz Ankor lost contact with Dum on the Great War. He's been mustering forces for an expedition ever since.
But he apparently didn't come alone. His brother also came with him to ask for help. It just so happened that his brother died at some point, maybe before the first expedition actually, and so Borek took care of his nephew Varek. My theory is that Borek's brother only married after being cut off from Karag Dum, and the reason Varek didn't come with on the first expedition to Dum is because he was too young to go on it. He might in fact be below 30 years old at this point, and only became old enough to go on the expedition by Gotrek and Felix' time. No other relative of Borek's is mentioned in canon aside from his dead brother and his nephew.
Also, what little I'm getting from Varek doesn't seem like it would indicate a person who would chase down a debt. He might be willing to chase down the person who heard his uncle's last words. Borek kinda left his nephew, who he was raising, to fend for himself it seems.
But he apparently didn't come alone. His brother also came with him to ask for help. It just so happened that his brother died at some point, maybe before the first expedition actually, and so Borek took care of his nephew Varek. My theory is that Borek's brother only married after being cut off from Karag Dum, and the reason Varek didn't come with on the first expedition to Dum is because he was too young to go on it. He might in fact be below 30 years old at this point, and only became old enough to go on the expedition by Gotrek and Felix' time. No other relative of Borek's is mentioned in canon aside from his dead brother and his nephew.
Also, what little I'm getting from Varek doesn't seem like it would indicate a person who would chase down a debt. He might be willing to chase down the person who heard his uncle's last words. Borek kinda left his nephew, who he was raising, to fend for himself it seems.
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Sorry for all the double posting but nobody's making any posts so I don't really know what to do. I'm here to say that I've made a few edits to the Character List:
Added the Grey Lords and added a few words to Thorek and Marrisith's entries to indicate new developments. I plan to keep the list up to date, so do mention if something is no longer true/has yet to be added.
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As far as I'm concerned if there are a couple hours between them they aren't double posts.
I can't throw stones, but you arre posting high impact stuff, that rule is more for people spamming crap.
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Wow, I'm shocked. Absolutely confounded. Borek 'Cor-Dum Headpats' Forkbeard abandoning someone he should care about, without explanation, in a stressful situation? Say it ain't so.
I agree, it would be neat if this nephew of his hit us up.
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Do Karaz Ankor Dwarves even routinely trade in usury?
I could see a Dwarf wanting a concrete repayment for the favor of lending money to someone in need over a decent length of time. But the whole lending money with interests at a regular interval as a for profit business seems un-Dawi like to me, at least as far as traditional Old Hold ideals go. At worst I could see Imperial Dwarves doing it to non-Dwarves after getting a taste for it when they hear of the idea from Humans first.
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My expectation is that whatever happens, we won't have somebody showing up and demanding 2000 gold right this instant. Anymore than, say, some dawi showing up out of the blue and trying to shake down Karak Vlag for all its gold based on a pre Great War debt.
