And considering that one of the kings standing before him is an actual slayer as well, that's not a statement to be made lightly.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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And considering that one of the kings standing before him is an actual slayer as well, that's not a statement to be made lightly.
That is not quite the issue here, it is that he did not name K8P as an actor in the reclamation of Vlag only as the object of a campaign by other holds. That said yeah he did say a lot of things that should soothe Belegar some, chiefly admitting fault in singing the death song of an Empire far from dead.
Guile
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I mean... yeah, but that's always true innit
Most of the settlers would be those currently settled in Young Holds who still yearn for their old homes and the lives their ancestors lived. Which to Thorgrim would be a net win, since the Young Holds don't contribute to the Waystone Network, so fuck 'em
Guile
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Dwarven valkyries? I could get behind dwarven valkyries
That's Dwarven for 'No knowing how it bloody works, but it does'
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You know, folks, even with all this talk about the strategy and for why might have chosen the Eyes of Grimnir I think folks are missing something. I believe, in fact, that I have discovered the real reason High King Thorgrim decided to reactivate one wonder above all others.
How many decades, with his head filled with noise? Even when it meant the doom of his people how reliable must it have been, as a sign that even if death was coming, the world still stood? Or a reliable presence even deeper and less reasonable than that?
Stockholm Syndrom is a terrible thing.
How many decades, with his head filled with noise? Even when it meant the doom of his people how reliable must it have been, as a sign that even if death was coming, the world still stood? Or a reliable presence even deeper and less reasonable than that?
Stockholm Syndrom is a terrible thing.
Thorgrim basically went to include all the kings present without giving particular precedence to one of them.
Yes, Belegar is the most accomplished king in the room in terms of deeds done - he's also the one who had the most inherited shame at his ancestors losing their Karak, with his deeds being primarily related to fixing that - so he's probably not going to be overly bitter at not being mentioned twice.
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Living Ancestor Ungrim Ironfist: *cough*
Unless of course, you're discounting Ungrim because every one of his monster slaying deeds was technically a Failure to Die.
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Guile
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His level of Ride Or Die is impressive even by Dwarf standards.
I think that's about it. During the big party we spent most of our time with Titus and Skaroki Grimbrow.
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Is Ungrim actually a Living Ancestor? The references to him in the Council of Kings say he was "in his youth" - and that's only 200 years ago.
I know that on average all the Slayer Kings lived long enough to become Living Ancestors*, but I didn't think Ungrim was one already?
*EDIT: (On average they were over 400 when their heir was born.)
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Ungrim isn't a Living Ancestor, AFAIK. The Great War Against Chaos apparently occurred in his youth, so I'd peg him at being maybe 250.
Oh, Ungrim is undoubtedly a beast in terms of personal combat.
Belegar got his hold back though - with few casualties considering the scale of the enterprise; and managed to toss some measure of aid - primarily Mathilde - to other holds including Ungrim's own.
I do wonder what Skaroki is doing. He was the one who really introduced Mathilde to the general state of the Karaz Ankor.
For anyone who's interested, here's a list of the current Kings and Queen of the Karaz Ankor, taken from the important information threadmark:
Karaz-a-Karak - High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer
Karak Eight Peaks - King Belegar Ironhammer
Barak Varr - King Byrrnoth Grundadrakk
Zhufbar - King Barundin Stoneheart
Karak Kadrin - King Ungrim Ironfist
Karak Azul - King Kazador Thunderhorn
Karak Hirn - King Alrik Ranulfsson
Karak Norn - Queen Thurma Grintzagaz
Karak Izor - King Gruflok Wyrzon
Karak Vlag - Regency Council
Karaz-a-Karak - High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer
Karak Eight Peaks - King Belegar Ironhammer
Barak Varr - King Byrrnoth Grundadrakk
Zhufbar - King Barundin Stoneheart
Karak Kadrin - King Ungrim Ironfist
Karak Azul - King Kazador Thunderhorn
Karak Hirn - King Alrik Ranulfsson
Karak Norn - Queen Thurma Grintzagaz
Karak Izor - King Gruflok Wyrzon
Karak Vlag - Regency Council
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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In case people are wondering "Grundadrakk" means "Hammer of the Dragons" (similarly to how Edward I was Hammer of the Scots). "Grintzagaz" is tricky. I think it means something like "Waste-worker" or perhaps "The Wasters"? Not sure. Doesn't seem flattering though. And "Wyrzon" means "White Sun".
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I concede that he certainly isn't a Living ancestor (400) yet, now that I'm doing the actual math.
We know that Baragor, the first Slayer King lived in -650IC, for simplicity 3k years ago.
He is Ungrim's five times grandsire, which tells us that there have been 8 slayer kings before Ungrim. 8 kings in 3000 years makes their average reign length 300 years.
The question is, when do Slayer Kings make babies? When they are young and hope to fulfill their oath themselves, or when they're old and afraid to die of old age without an heir?
I think the Latter is more likely, given he was "young", i.e. between 30 and 70, which would make Ungrim a contemporary of Thorgrim at 210 to 250.
Conclusion, I was wrong... but Ungrim still has more great deeds than Belegar, given he's at least thrice his age and a doomseeker. He's singlehandedly slain a Giant and a Dragon.
Did they actually send a representative I wonder?
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You're suggesting that Thorgrim reactivated the Eyes of Grimnir because he's become addicted to hearing alert chimes sound?You know, folks, even with all this talk about the strategy and for why might have chosen the Eyes of Grimnir I think folks are missing something. I believe, in fact, that I have discovered the real reason High King Thorgrim decided to reactivate one wonder above all others.
How many decades, with his head filled with noise? Even when it meant the doom of his people how reliable must it have been, as a sign that even if death was coming, the world still stood? Or a reliable presence even deeper and less reasonable than that?
Stockholm Syndrom is a terrible thing.
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More individual feats, perhaps.
But which one ended 3,000 years of shame for their Clan and Hold?
Unlikely, I suspect it would have been mentioned. I just added them onto the list for completions sake.
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I'm not sure he knew. As far as he was concerned, reclaiming was just gonna add mroe Grudges and potentially more of a drain on Valaya's runes.
Indeed, as critical as I have been about Thorgrim it seems unreasonable to assume that he would not have done much more to get the Old Hods back if he knew they were the key to saving his people. Indeed the shock in his interlude when the crown reconnects the K8P to the network makes this very likely.
It's mentioned that the greenskins migrated west from their original homelands in the east of what became the Dark Lands as a result of the climate change induced by the volcanic eruptions caused by the same Slann rituals that broke the Underway.
Those migrating greenskins then encountered the shattered Karaz Ankor and the Time of Woe kicked off.
Ah, but you see that did not happen to us, we need to work with the elves to dethrone Thorgrim.
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Not in this continuity, we don´t.Ah, but you see that did not happen to us, we need to work with the elves to dethrone Thorgrim.
I'm personally glad the Waystone Project won out. It's much more important than becoming some Border Princess. We can put all our magical knowledge to good use in a way nobody else besides us could. that's more valuable to the world than another warlord.