Yes well Frederick can just stay sober for a bit, actually contemplate Alith Anar's internal logic and go find him. Remember Morathi has limitations in Elven Pride, self-centered moral/ethical/pragmatic framework and being insane from huffing so much Dhar over the millennia. Frederick has none of those limitations, a good understanding at this point of how Elven minds work and has lived trough getting his revenge so can actually think like Alith Anar if he wants to instead of having to.

I'm just going to state my doubt about the chances of us ever managing to catch someone who, per torroar, is sneakier then any Imperial that has ever lived so long as he doesn't want to be found:
Alith Anar is the Shadow King, the Chosen of Loec, and literally ballroom danced in Naggarond itself, in the heart of Naggaroth, infiltrating on a level and skill that there is approximately 0% chance that a human of the Empire would ever manage, even the current ruling master of Ulgu.

Frederick is not that.
 
I'm just going to state my doubt about the chances of us ever managing to catch someone who, per torroar, is sneakier then any Imperial that has ever lived so long as he doesn't want to be found:

Why are you assuming that a man called Thunderfoot by Elves would track down an Elf quietly?
 
Frederick's burgeoning friendship with Hultressa might be the best part of this arc and in this chapter led to this very sad, but moving moment:
Mother's Choice: 17+Burgeoning Genuine Friendship(10)+The Grand Plan(20)+Handmaiden Present(25)-Shattered Wards(15)-Exhaustion(10)+Lingering Ishan Compassion(15)+Reached The Gates(5)-Knowledge of Alyssa's Capabilities(20)-Threatened Daughter(35)+Protected By Terrors(10)+Armed Eldyra(15)=37/100)

You are a husband to a wonderful wife, father to a number of children, and have presided over family gatherings including a great many grandchildren. You have attended many meetings with family friends of two different provinces who have their own families. It is no idle boast to say that you are, perhaps, exceedingly well experienced and practiced in many such matters, though there is no such thing as perfect parenting for all children are destined to be their own people even if some pain is withstood in the course of it. But you aren't entirely sure you would need any of that to know what choice is going to be made in the next few seconds. You can see it in the bunching, the tensing of the body beneath armor and layers visible in its intensity, the grinding of metal caps and plates against each other as fists clench. Smell it in the air as Dhar does not simply waft but simply pours outwards from Hultressa to the point that it rapidly ceases to be discernable solely to those uniquely cursed and blessed with Witch Sight and outright becomes physically palpable and present in a scouring black event horizon, a corona, a halo, of pure crushed together Winds of Magic with a will and strength unknown to those without a certain sort of love in their hearts.

Hultressa raises her head, and deliberately looks away from Alyssa, which causes the Supreme Sorceress to tilt her head and scowl, and looks towards you.

Not Sadrina, who you suspect realizes what is about to happen.

Not Kerillian, who is still looking about so quickly around her that you think her neck is about to snap clean off.

To you.

She meets your gaze, and you meet hers, and you know. She knows you know.

You are a man of not inconsiderable intelligence. You are capable of multitudes, of complexities, of holding contradictory information and emotions within yourself simultaneously. So it is that you rage, you rage like you almost never have before, at what is to come. So close, now so far, denied with a goal in sight. You would spit fury, scream, curse, and more. But so too do you give the slightest of nods, and the most helpless of smiles beneath your helmet and armor. Because you know, and you understand on the most base and primal level, and on that level, you cannot help but approve. How could you not? After all that you've done, that members of your family have done, and friends as well? And so you rage, you laugh, and you can do nothing more than watch as that almost catastrophic upswell of power grows stronger and stronger until the stone around her begins to crack apart and even somewhat dissolve. Two more of the skulls on her face begins to crumble away into dissolving dust, but the clouds of particulate sparkle and shine before visibly flowing into Hultressa's body, absorbed at rapid pace.

"You will never have her."

It is a whisper that reaches far and wide

Frederick realizes that Hultressa has been cornered so much that she's decided to leave everyone to rescue her daughter, but instead of openly raging about this, he just nods to her, because he completely understands her reasoning as a parent.

All while he's the only person Hultressa is looking towards (i.e. she's probably feeling seriously guilty).

However, even in that despairing moment, Hultressa still exerted enough effort to get them out of the Tor(with many Asur slaves), which allowed everyone except Frederick to escape.

And then, during the escape, there is this moment, in which Frederick openly calls her a friend, which is just so moving…
That was my friend Hultressa," you inform her with a grunt as you shake out your stinging aches and pains. "Stolen from Tiranoc at one point. Wants to go home, been trying, hasn't been able to, tried to make a gamble of it. Daughter's cursed by Khaine, wants the Everqueen's help to uncurse her."
 
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[X] A, B, C
 
'm just going to state my doubt about the chances of us ever managing to catch someone who, per torroar, is sneakier then any Imperial that has ever lived so long as he doesn't want to be found:
Alith Anar is the stealthiest individual in the setting, only really rivaled by oxyotl and sniktch.

And maybe the changeling, but he cheats. If he doesn't want to be found he won't. Pretty sure the man can outright hide from Gods.

Only way we are meeting him is if we somehow end up in naggarythe and, donnu, do something more worthy of attention than what we did so far.
 
Alith Anar is the stealthiest individual in the setting, only really rivaled by oxyotl and sniktch.

And maybe the changeling, but he cheats. If he doesn't want to be found he won't. Pretty sure the man can outright hide from Gods.

Only way we are meeting him is if we somehow end up in naggarythe and, donnu, do something more worthy of attention than what we did so far.
Plus what would we actually tell him? If we tell him how much his actions hurt Hultressa then most likely he'd just preen over how awesome he was when he did that, since the guy's a sadist. If we try to fight him it seems more likely then not that he'd kick our ass.
 
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Plus what would we actually tell him? If we tell him how much his actions hurt Hultressa then most likely he'd just preen over how awesome he was when he did that. If we try to fight him it seems more likely then not that he'd kick our ass.
I mean, eh.

I think you are overestimating how much he gets his jollies of bullying hultressa. In his opinion her dying quickly would be optimal and since she did good and helped asur, she might be redeemed after death.

Which again, by alith anar standards, that is basically glowing praise
 
I mean, eh.

I think you are overestimating how much he gets his jollies of bullying hultressa. In his opinion her dying quickly would be optimal and since she did good and helped asur, she might be redeemed after death.

Which again, by alith anar standards, that is basically glowing praise
Doesn't Alith Anar saying her soul will be headed to the Cytharai means that he's saying that Hultressa is going straight to hell together with all the other Druchii?

As is I think him wanting for her to die quickly has more to do with his preference that her continued life will be a short as possible then anything else.
 
Doesn't Alith Anar saying her soul will be headed to the Cytharai means that he's saying that Hultressa is going straight to hell together with all the other Druchii?
not sure if i read that correctly and the elf afterlives ain't my lore strong suit, but torroar wrote that he thinks she might be able to hold to her soul down there thanks to her good deads and through death escape being a druchi.

Which, imo, reads as he conceding her having a super tiny chance of redeeming herself

You know, after she stopped breathing
 
Unless the Phoenix King himself order it Fred is never meeting the Shadow King, at beat he might send one of his minions to meet with him.
 
Okay, I'm back. I had my panic over the situation earlier but that's done and we got this.

The Ark is a mess, the druchii are at each others throats, we have a handmaiden of the everqueen to inspire people to fight, and our biggest enemy is currently doing fuck all useful.

As long as we can meet back up with Hultressa and resist the urge to stab her we got this
 
not sure if i read that correctly and the elf afterlives ain't my lore strong suit, but torroar wrote that he thinks she might be able to hold to her soul down there thanks to her good deads and through death escape being a druchi.

Which, imo, reads as he conceding her having a super tiny chance of redeeming herself

You know, after she stopped breathing

Mmm, not really? It's more of a 'hey, while you are burning in one of many hells, because you are assuredly going there, you'll have a little nugget of 'I wasn't all bad' to hold to yourself as you remain in one of said hell for all eternity suffering. And it would be more efficient if you went ahead, killed yourself, and went to hell. But hey, it won't be 100% bad, just 99.999999% bad. So please. Go to hell immediately, and bring your daughter with you when you go'.
 
Alith Anar is basically right. The amount of damage Druchii and their deities have done to Elven society is equivalent to what the Chaos Gods have done to Humans. Natasha killed three of our children because they were "blessed" by the Chaos Gods killing Gwendolyn is the right thing to do.
 
Alith Anar is basically right. The amount of damage Druchii and their deities have done to Elven society is equivalent to what the Chaos Gods have done to Humans. Natasha killed three of our children because they were "blessed" by the Chaos Gods killing Gwendolyn is the right thing to do.
The Druuchi have arguably fucked over the world at large just as much as Chaos given they're the reason Nagash was able to learn Necromancy, as well as the constant raids and scheming for the last several thousand year.
 
To be fair, the little daemonhosts were literally inside of Natasha's womb trying to kill her from the inside as well as Logan, she sort of had to immediately deal with that while being burst open at the abdomen like a popped meat balloon while her husband was off fighting elsewhere. They were lost the moment their souls got fully 100% eaten, and Logan was still partially tainted by Slaanesh which required scouring by the Flame of Ulric to cleanse.

Gwendolyn is thoroughly blessed/cursed by Khaine, but contrary to them, she still has the capacity to try and fight it off, her soul hasn't been devoured, and she is actively hoping and working towards getting to a point where the red fist of the Bloody Handed One is no longer squeezing tight around her soul. There's a reason that other Gods were brought up as 'options', almost. The Coven under Screamtaker wanted Hekarti to replace Khaine, the Cult of Pleasure wants Slaanesh to replace it, and so on and so forth. Different circumstances.

She is a born Druchii either way though, and so she gets the thumbs down from Alith Anar.
 
The Druuchi have arguably fucked over the world at large just as much as Chaos given they're the reason Nagash was able to learn Necromancy, as well as the constant raids and scheming for the last several thousand year.
Don't forget, in a sense Chaos is also the Druchii's fault due to the damage they did to the Waystone network during the Sundering allowing Chaos to get a foothold in the world again.
 
Got it.

Hey, is alistair the white lion a thing in quest? His goodness would be a nice contrast to alith anars cynicismn.

I know, he is purely a game character, but considering the use of game characters for the start of this quest and the fact that the reason he was made as a make a wish request being really wholesome [given, well, the circumstances]
 
Got it.

Hey, is alistair the white lion a thing in quest? His goodness would be a nice contrast to alith anars cynicismn.

I know, he is purely a game character, but considering the use of game characters for the start of this quest and the fact that the reason he was made as a make a wish request being really wholesome [given, well, the circumstances]
Alistair the White Lion is basically a renamed Korhill. Not sure if Korhill is already in charge of the White Lions by now.
 
Korhil Lionmane does run the White Lions, yes, as his predecessor Korhein Ironglaive got killed during the GWAC, so it's Korhil time at the moment, yes. He is the highest ranked White Lion around.

Prince Alastar the White Lion of Chrace also exists, yes, but he's not the head of the Phoenix King's honor guard. He is a Prince of Chrace, though, so he's got stuff to do with that.
 
Gwendolyn is thoroughly blessed/cursed by Khaine, but contrary to them, she still has the capacity to try and fight it off, her soul hasn't been devoured, and she is actively hoping and working towards getting to a point where the red fist of the Bloody Handed One is no longer squeezing tight around her soul. There's a reason that other Gods were brought up as 'options', almost. The Coven under Screamtaker wanted Hekarti to replace Khaine, the Cult of Pleasure wants Slaanesh to replace it, and so on and so forth. Different circumstances.

That part came a such a surprise to me. Arranging for Gwendolyn to be conceived on death night in such a holy place, just so that they could replace it with Hekarti's influence later on:
Oh, she helped," Alyssa shrugs one shoulder, that cruel smirk only intensifying. "The rivalries of the Cytharai are myriad, little sister. Did you never think, for one moment," she taps a finger against her forehead, "That to steal from Khaine's table and strengthen Hekarti might be a powerful gift?"

"You did all of that, to me," Hultressa seethes, her exhaustion and wounds seeming to drift away beneath fury, "Stole my will, my choice, my body, all so that you could CUCKOLD KHAINE!?

Wouldn't Khaine have attempted to retaliate for such an insult, though? Did Screamtaker and Voidreaper think that Hekarti would reward them so much for this as for it to be worth doing?

Also, why did they choose Hultressa for this?
 
Well, the immediate answer is - the Cytharai are cruel assholes, ever hungry for their influence and power to rise higher even if (sometimes especially) at the expense of their peers. It's pretty MO for the Druchii now as well.

To produce is one thing.

But to take? To claim? That shows that not only could you do something, but you are stronger, better, mightier, more powerful, and in doing so you actively take something away from another, weakening them.

And sure, Khaine would be pissed, but as an Ark of Ghrond, Hekarti has/had a lot of oomph going for Her. It's only right that her Cult would do some shenanigans from time to time.

And they chose Hultressa precisely because she was so isolated politically and socially most of the time, rather than targeting one of their own Coven. It wouldn't have the same metaphysical oomph for one of them to go into things expecting things to go a certain way. You can't cuckold Khaine so easily, he'd might well pluck the truth of what you're trying to do out of your head at his doorstep during Death Night. So instead, they set up Hultressa to do it. They knew that, inevitably, she would seek out Hekarti in favor of Khaine. Almost any of the Cytharai over Khaine, but Hekarti would have been most palatable to her.

Given enough time, she would be ground down, break, and then Hekarti gets a big win and gets to thumb her nose at Khaine while gaining a very powerful new asset.
 
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