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Ya'know, I wonder what the Delf on the street will do when they hear their new Supreme Sorceress is a Slaaneshi cult leader?
Like power/success forgives much, but Alyssa made the reveal while killing the leaders of other approved cults after failing to prevent attacks on the Ark once again.
This is not a reveal at the height of her strength and influence. Its at her nadir. And given what we have seen, the average commoner Delf owns a lot of weapons, has likely decades if not centuries of military service to call on, and is likely fed up with this string of defeats.Their ability to vote with their weapons is higher than most other socities.
The faster word spreads of the fighting with Alyssa's faction not showing absolute control of the situation, the more angry mobs protesting her rule via the tip of a spear will likely emerge from the surrounding city.
Like power/success forgives much, but Alyssa made the reveal while killing the leaders of other approved cults after failing to prevent attacks on the Ark once again.
This is not a reveal at the height of her strength and influence. Its at her nadir. And given what we have seen, the average commoner Delf owns a lot of weapons, has likely decades if not centuries of military service to call on, and is likely fed up with this string of defeats.Their ability to vote with their weapons is higher than most other socities.
The faster word spreads of the fighting with Alyssa's faction not showing absolute control of the situation, the more angry mobs protesting her rule via the tip of a spear will likely emerge from the surrounding city.
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I wonder. Is there a way to make it possible to send letters to malekith without having a horrible fate?
Set something up with false identities,mercenaries and grey factions?
Because just sending him info about the actual chaos cults in his kingdom could result in some moderate purges.
Mainly because their existence would annoy him.
Afterall he DID forbid it. Who are these elfs to disobey him?
Not really doable i think.Maybe something ulthuan can taunt him with next time he invades.
M: " Kneel before me, and accept my superiority!"
Ulthuan prince:"Seriously? You cant keep a single city free from chaos, and think you are superior? That sorceress in the fourth row behind you on the left? She openly declared for slanesh. Infront of a whole city. And shes just walking around like nothing happened. I expected you to be evil. I didnt expect you to be incompetend."
Set something up with false identities,mercenaries and grey factions?
Because just sending him info about the actual chaos cults in his kingdom could result in some moderate purges.
Mainly because their existence would annoy him.
Afterall he DID forbid it. Who are these elfs to disobey him?
Not really doable i think.Maybe something ulthuan can taunt him with next time he invades.
M: " Kneel before me, and accept my superiority!"
Ulthuan prince:"Seriously? You cant keep a single city free from chaos, and think you are superior? That sorceress in the fourth row behind you on the left? She openly declared for slanesh. Infront of a whole city. And shes just walking around like nothing happened. I expected you to be evil. I didnt expect you to be incompetend."
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You assume that we know more about the cults and underpinnings of his society than he does.
You're wrong. Very wrong. We are never going to have more intel than he on his people. This is a society that lives on internal intrigue, and his rule depends on his ability and knowledge to decide any and every Druuchi's life on a whim.
Oh he knows. There is no doubt that he knows.
But the fact that a bunch of humans, ou worse other elfs know changes things.
He likes to hold himself with a certain dignity. This situation reframes the cults into more of a weakness for him. Which means they get purged.
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Do you care about the opinions of monkeys? No? Neither does Malekith.
Normally no. But if a monkey sees one of your workers disresoecting you,and then starts hollering abd screaming and other monkeys gather and pint at you, you might get annoyed.
And malekith is-look he has some very specific buttons that turn him from a chessmaster to a reason the evil overlord list exists.
And malekith is-look he has some very specific buttons that turn him from a chessmaster to a reason the evil overlord list exists.
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I think you overestimate the possibility and underestimate his self-control when it comes to humans knowing how his society works.
He doesn't like guns or even crossbows because that doesn't require pure personal strength like a bow does. Hell, he'd probably not like compound bows either, with the pulleys and what not, because that's just mechanical not you physical stuff. Beasts like wolf companions and riding horses is another thing. Plane? No. Not trustworthy as your own strength, relies on weakness. At best, winged beast preferred, not some mere cold machine without hot blood pumping through it.
Priests brawling and Cults going to fight against each other resulting in death has been baked into the Empire since its founding. Ulricans fought against Taalites and Rhyans. Ulricans fought other Ulricans, as he was a major God across the lands of the proto-Empire by the time of Sigmar's rise. All the tribes regularly warred with one another. Sigmarites and Ulricans have had outright crusades against each other. Verenans and Taalites having arguments that escalate to punching undoubtedly happened the first time a Verenan brought up a potion made with carefully blown glass made in a fancy glassworking industrial building and ingredients requiring careful chemical extraction and refinement with titration and charcoal furnaces and delivered in a box nailed shut with metal versus herbs gathered up from the wilderness and made in a stone carved pot over a fire from wood taken from the forest.
That is already happening. Similar to Ulric, two of the Cult of Taal's major tenets are 'Do not clad yourself in metal. Rather wear the hides of your animal kin/Take pride in your strength and natural skill. Avoid firearms and other works of science.'
They accept the fact that death is just as important as life, but only if it works in harmony with nature as a whole. Cultists despise anything "unnatural," the most egregious being Mutants and Chaos, although extremists something take this to mean cities, money, and other trappings of civilisation.
^So you've already got Taalites and Rhyans who straight up think money and cities shouldn't exist. That Taal literally had Taalheim founded in his honor should tell you just how twisty religious beliefs can get over the course of 2000+ years of watching civilization change and alter and evolve.
Tome of Salvation has a section on Godly/Cult tensions in the Empire, and the section for these two is straight up Taal and Rhya vs. The Civilized Gods. So whereas there's stuff like Sigmar vs. Verena, Sigmar vs. Ulric, and so on, it's kind of more expansive:
Taal and Rhya are primal nature Gods and they encourage earthy practises. Their holy sites are fashioned with suggestions and symbols of fertility, fecundity, and of course nature. Those who venerate these Gods are much more likely to embrace their primitive natures, dwelling in the remote places, drinking, debauching, and embracing the natural world. Given their unconventional methods of worship, conflict regarding decorum and behaviour is bound to arise between priests of these and other faiths. This is especially true of city folk and priests who follow Verena and Myrmidia, since Taal and Rhya are so clearly at odds with refinement, philosophy, and the sciences.
^There's even an adventure hook where a Verenan priestess, you know, the wisdom and knowledge guys? Happens upon some of the secretive practices of manhood for Taal and goes ballistic, she starts screaming about chaos worship and what not and it's a whole thing.
Interestingly enough, in a lot of interpretations, including all of 3E, Rhya is the part of the pair that is repeatedly said to be lessening, fading, becoming less and less known. Which is kind of odd, considering that she's the one everyone prays to for harvests, for orchards, for marital pleanstry, love, agriculture in general, and so on. Meanwhile, as things advance, you'd think more fields, more plowed earth, more orchards, etc. while the wild places are pushed back a bit. Then again, in a world like Warhammer, nature is way more actively intelligent and antithetical to the works of man a lot of the time. The tree'll sometimes get up and squish you, rather than some person chaining themselves to a tree to stop it being torn down, sort of thing you know?
It would not be effective whatsoever other than to casually and absentmindedly send an assassin after the human and any of the weakling idiot Druchii who somehow let a mewling stinking cattle creature through the many, many, many layers of defense and control to even begin approaching his tower. Assuming that said layers wouldn't just shut it down in the first place.
It's quite simply not an effective possible action, or, really, a possible action at all. We're not talking 'so you're saying there's a chance'. We're talking 'it would literally only be possible if I, as torroar, actively reached down into Mallus and forced it into existence'. It's not a roll thing, a bonus thing, a chance thing, at all.
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I don't think Rhya's waning had anything to do with what the world of Warhammer is like so much as it had to do with real life sexism. 2e was sexist in a bunch of other ways, and I think 3e let it carry on uncritically out of inertia when it really shouldn't have.
WFRP 4e p209 says: "Because the cult has no great temples and protects no holy books or relics of significance, many scholars believe her worship to be declining, and possibly already dead. Her many cultists do nothing to contradict such talk." She's still plenty popular, just not in a way that's very familiar to urban scholars. Archives of the Empire 3 has a full chapter on Rhya and there's no mention of waning there, just that she's subservient to Taal specifically in the east of the Empire.
I think you might already know some or all of this, and if so, then I think it's still good info for other players.
Oh no, for sure, I know. I'm happy to mix and match between the different editions, but 3E did just seem kinda...weird. I don't even have any 3E adventure stuff. I've got a chocka block plenty of 4E adventures large and small, the old classics from 2E, but very, very little from 3E. Almost like no one even wanted it around or something >.>
As for Rhya, I was more remarking on how odd it would be for that to be a thing, for her to be declining at all, and I was quite happy to see that sort of personal headcanon thinking reciprocated in 4E with Rhya getting a fair bit more boosting than before. I think she's incredibly important, and critically underrepresented in earlier editions, considering she's fucking agriculture for god's sake, plus animal husbandry, flocks of sheep, taming of animals, fertility, love, marriage, sex, etc. As humanity grows, so do its food needs with farms and breeding animals for meat and fat and just...yeah. I think she's pretty neat. A bit odd for them to throw in the 4E thing with them being unrestricted husbands and wives with mega poly swinging going on with the other Gods, so I'm not so sure on using that bit personally. It's just as possible/interpretable for them to have had tons of children being the lesser nature spirits of lakes and what not rather than boinking it on with the other Gods. I get the feeling that Verena and Morr at least probably wouldn't partake much in that sort of thing, doesn't seem the type.
But yeah, 'scholars say' <- when that phrase comes up in infobooks, you know you're like, 60/40 on about to read some absolute dumbass talking out of his butt. Scholars in Warhammer can be extremely intelligent, and they can proudly trumpet some absolutely incorrect/false takes aplenty because since they're a scholar and smorgt then everything they think they know must be objective truth. Poor bastards.
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Heck, despite arguing all the time about things even the gods can compromise on stuff from time to time, like how all the Old World's Order gods blessed Magnus one way or another as he went about uniting the Empire since they recognized the threat of the Everchosen and Chaos so needed a champion that could get close to everyone behind him to fight it.
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Much like with Vayala versus the rest of the Dawi pantheon...
Shouldn't have stopped for dinner, since the point was already made. Oh well.
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I think the weirdest thing I remember reading from that edition was that Verena was about favouring the law over justice, when it was very much the other way around in 2e and later in 4e. Went from being anti-tyranny in 2e to pro-tyranny.
WFRP 4e: Lustria, Baron Eldebrand Sach-Kusche, gentleman scholar, on skinks, saurus, and coatls
The fact that her big moment, overall, was to be a sleeping comatose empanada to get fucking devoured by Nagash for kicks in End Times is still infuriating to me. She's one of the big three Ancestor Gods! She INVENTED BREWING ALCOHOL. That shit is such an integral part of dwarf culture and being and existence, along with many of the holds she founded, setting aside hearth and healing and what not being part of her thing, the Brewing thing alone should mean that she should have mega massive representation and words and mention across dwarf existence. Every dwarf bar should have a statue of her, we should be hearing about the priestesses of Valaya and their healing works, their precisely made draughts and bindings and poultices devised by an Ancestor Goddess, see them doing things like we hear so much about Shallyans, healing runes devised by Valaya/Thungni working together, things like that. Josef Bugman, the major brewmaster clan noted in the armybook for the dwarfs, should have Valayan symbols or workings or something mentioned in there, you know?
Bah.
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But hey, at least you can show her proper representation and such in quest, which I think you've done a really good job at.
Curious, could one argue that Valaya falls under a mercantile god too? Since each Hold acts as a home, which are basically full on cities with tons of businesses and such inside, I can totally she dwarf merchants praying to after good business deals.
Been wondering the same thing. so far still wonder.
Since if ya think about it, each of the big 3 has a bid at it.
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Has an Ogre brother, a Dark Elf sister, somekind of blood bond with Gotrek's father, whose name escapes me.
Has parented a High Elf, a Dark Elf, a Wood Elf (kinda) and also a Dryad.
He's done so much for the worship of Esmeralda he's probably an honorary Halfling.
He's friends with a Vampire, and a French (Vampire), and also a French knight errant.
He's met the Everqueen, the High King, Emperor of The Empire, Khan Queen, Everqueen, the other Everqueen.
Part of his soil is stuck in Khorne's realm, and is loving it (maybe).
Man, Freddy is one hell of an international man. Can't for him to meet the Dragon Emperor, the Slann, Phoenix King...
Dear Malekith,
Bitch.
Sincerely,
Monkey
P.S. please pass this message to your mother.
Dear Morathi,
Bitch.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
In fairness I'm not sure having an active role in EoT would have had Valaya faring any better. Looking at you Asuryan >.>
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So... back to plotting my fanfic. Protagonist is a knight, who just joined Bull Warriors.
Knight orders are serious matter. New members get some intensive training, followed by brutal initiation and a feast. And after traditional 49 toasts (for Empire, for gods, for brothers, etc.) he was a bit drunk and slipped on spilled beer. Story begins on a third day, when he finally wakes-up in infirmary. He is cared by Mary, young widow, whose husband died in 2301, at Praag (along with MC's father and uncles).
Anyway, MC got head injury and during his coma days dreamed of living in our world (as me) and reading DoDA. And so, he needs to do something to survive Vampire War of 2315... and all other wars as well.
Knight orders are serious matter. New members get some intensive training, followed by brutal initiation and a feast. And after traditional 49 toasts (for Empire, for gods, for brothers, etc.) he was a bit drunk and slipped on spilled beer. Story begins on a third day, when he finally wakes-up in infirmary. He is cared by Mary, young widow, whose husband died in 2301, at Praag (along with MC's father and uncles).
Anyway, MC got head injury and during his coma days dreamed of living in our world (as me) and reading DoDA. And so, he needs to do something to survive Vampire War of 2315... and all other wars as well.
Open minded sure. would not be suprised if some gods decide to 'sponsor' his acention to grant him dominion over Fatherhood.
Easiest way would be to put him out of the province, just has to figure out a reason.
Mayby temporal banishment he had to recover honor from or long distance vengance...
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... Not to gainsay for plagtism, but those do sound cool. Plus with Ariel being up to snuff once more, a treasure hunt wound not be amiss. esspecially with friends in far off places...
Shame everyone's too busy
Man I am easly influenced recently..
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It's ... an 'interesting' option. But what about his relatives?
Now, MC would have to worry about being sent away on a mission (negotiations of some kind).
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Not a good idea.
The phoenix court relise massively on ethiquette and court in.
chances on that resulting in finubar becoming freddy's bff like thorgrim are slim
As much as torroar dumped water on this idea, alith anar did this very thing to morathi, including calling morathi a bitch
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Alith Anar is the Shadow King, the Chosen of Loec, and literally ballroom danced in Naggarond itself, in the heart of Naggaroth, infiltrating on a level and skill that there is approximately 0% chance that a human of the Empire would ever manage, even the current ruling master of Ulgu.
Frederick is not that.