And having sex with 1000 different men isn't something to boast about. It's a sign of incompetency, madness or curse. Especially for mighty, victorious warrior queen. Consensual sex simply doesn't fit with the rest of her boast, which is about military victories and conquests. I think, her "1000 men" is about their devotion to her. In that sense, sex with her is great favour ("they all want Me, but I choose You").
Deciding that someone who is unashamed of their sexuality and choices with it is a sign of incompetency, madness, or curse, is something that you need to contemplate for different as to why the heck you think that's the only three possible choices. When, as before, I have already established that there is a fourth option, which is that she's slept with a thousand dudes and thinks that's pretty awesome and that's about the long and short of it without there needing to be a curse, incompetence, or madness. Your deciding this direction, assigning purely negative possibilities to something that doesn't need to be, is something that I find extremely disconcerting and a little worrisome.
As I already stated, it is possible there were some unbalanced power dynamics, but outright mindbreaking raping a thousand people is really,
really not what happened. Again, the Gods they worshipped would treat someone doing that
badly, not as an honored ally. Sigmar did not find her a repugnant disgusting raping whore woman who was incompetent, insane, or cursed. And he had some healthy paranoia and suspicions about taint and evils which literally divinely bleeds through into his Divine Marks on some people.
Posting a link about it is something I seriously doubt is going to change my mind on this subject. Conan-esque or not, these were not a collection of vile figures barely lashed into place by Sigmar's might and power, they were all heroic barbarians of the bronze/iron age who joined him as honored and respected companions, each a hero of their own tribes and peoples following the grand dream of a people united that Sigmar championed.
That's it. There's not going to be anymore discussion on this point. That's word of GM and thread originator.
About Ulric,
wiki says humans learned fire, steel and martial arts from him:
It makes him a god of (technological) progress.
Also, in legend of Ulricsberg, Ulric ask Taal for a piece of land:
It confirms that Ulric is about dominating the wilds, by carving a piece for oneself.
Ulrican culture growth from these aspects. They don't mandate poligamy, just insist on advancement of mankind and establishing of territory. In that sense, monogamy limits (numerical) advancement of mankind and reduces territory claim.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong
again.
I literally just posted about how Gods and their legends and what is attributed to them changes. We
just went over how Ulric may well not have even had a Wolf aspect at the beginning and might have consumed it from another God Lupos. So keeping poking at the Wolf territory claim claim harem claim mate claim more children claim wolf wolf wolf thing DOESN'T. WORK. Let alone the fact that I have repeatedly been hammering that there is 0 evidence for and significant evidence against multi-marriages in any number amongst the Ulricans, from their Cult to Middenheim to their prominent members like Boris Todbringer to different temples and discussions and edicts of celibacy. Setting aside the fact that Ulric's myths can claim as he likes, because
Taal has a different myth entirely about which of them went to go fight the Chaos Gods at the roof of the world during the first great Chaos incursion, setting aside the fact that Dazh is a God of the northern Old World who PRECEDED Ulric into coming west who is a literal god of the Sun and Hearth and fire and a squint of metal, that steel is explicitly a secret that the dwarfs taught humanity, that TAAL who existed before Ulric in the lands of the Empire is 100% a God of the Hunt and teaching men how to fletch their bows and throw their javelins and hunt and kill beasts, that Ulric's own legends can differ in that he simply guided the Teutogens west and struck the mountain and gave them a place without begging it of Taal, that Ulric disdains black powder weapons and crossbows as cowardly which is the OPPOSITE of technological progression because it's not manly or brave enough just like helmets, that Taal was absorbing Gods of the Sun and other locations and if you really think that Taalheim didn't have cookfires and the like then you are INSANE because they were there for generations before Ulric was EVER carried west by the Teutogens and other tribes, the fact that I have literally already gone over the fact that the Cults of the Gods like to CLAIM that they are responsible for every which thing to the point of outright contradicting each other and themselves plenty and that all of the information on the wikis are sourced from a variety of different info sources which are themselves quite often written fully in-character and therefore are not 100 percent objective, the fact that you somehow missed or decided to ignore that I JUST talked about Taal and Rhya SLAUGHTERING the Cults of other Nature Gods of all aspects throughout the lands of the proto-Empire i.e. BEFORE Ulric shows up which means that they knew HOW to do war and slaughter and killing and hunting and ambushing and tracking without Ulric somehow giving it to them, the fact that you keep missing the fact that the thing that they did most to honor Ulric when they finally arrived was warring and killing as many people as possible is incredibly distracting to me amongst everything else. IT. IS. NOT. ABOUT. HAVING. MORE. CHILDREN. IT. IS. ABOUT. KILLING. MORE. OF. YOUR. ENEMIES.
The fact that you KEEP harping on about how surely the ONLY way that the WAR GOD is expressed is by fucking popping out shit tons of babies instead of literally depleting the enemy around you so that you can have children at a perfectly normal rate is one of the worst cases of blindness to the actual identity of Ulric that I've seen, I think.
He is not a god of technological progress. He explicitly goes against any technology that might be less brave, that might be less manly, not reliant purely on muscle power. He is not a God of harems, that's not how wolves work, and not how he has ever been expressed. He is not a God of dominating the wilds, he is a God of dominating your
enemies, because of the WAR part, he is a God of respecting and paying homage TO nature because he IS of a Nature Aspect, specifically the season of winter. It's literally. All. In. The. Name. Winter is not spring, it is not the season of rampant birthing and fertility, it is the opposite of that. It is the staving off of death, it is surviving by huddling together and building a fire, it is keeping the blood up by slaughtering enemies and taking their supplies, and it is of failing to Winter's strength and respecting that nothing truly beats Winter forever, you just survive one more season of it. This whole shtick of territory and whatever is not what Ulric's about. He has his sacred places, but SO DOES EVERY OTHER GOD. You want to talk about expanding territory, Taal is the God of unrestrained nature. Ulric is about honoring him with your bravery and coolness by killing and fighting well in battle, and respecting him. NOT spreading his gospel by way of endlessly claiming yet more territory with your hundred children. Literally no God in Warhammer except Slaanesh would go about it that way, except maybe some Cytharai.
It doesn't confirm dick about him wanting to conquer nature, it is dragging up the familial relations between the two as brothers and Ulric wanting a place to call his own, applying far more humanistic emotions and desires to a Godly entity. The legend you bring up? It speaks of the two as brothers and very powerful and most widely worshipped, when we
know that Ulric had to come tearing out of the east to even show up at all! That his wolf aspect is entirely possibly consumed by another God that got eaten up, just like how Taal ate the Drinker and Soll and so many others to create his dominance over the land. That is a case of
forging religious bonds together, to make things make more comfortable sense to the modern day, so of course the legends tell of the two as brothers and Ulric asking this and that, ignoring that the Teutogens and other tribes slaughtered their way west, cut their way through the worshippers of Taal, and committed to widescale warfare for generations
as they came to the mountain and built it up as the most holy of places that Ulric made for them. They do not overpopulate their side, they DEpopulate the other until the other side decides Ulric probably is pretty cool and worship him.
Early era Ulrican 'cultural growth' comes because people respect strength and violence, and the more overt displays of divine might. People convert that way, oh hey, look at that, Ulric's 'growth' has expanded with lots of bloodshed and WARFARE, not a priest having sixteen wives with twelve children each. There are different ways to spread the God word of a God of War, and killing people and making people think that if they want to be even better at killing and better at surviving the winter with the blessings of the WAR AND WINTER God, well, then they'd better worship him. Oh, and wolves, because wolves are also a thing that makes senses as they run around in the winter doing things, and their fearsome and strong and scary just like these scared people want to be. And it is repeatedly noted that in the modern Empire, Ulric is dying out as a God in terms of relevance and power compared to all of the other Gods
because he is not a God of progress or togetherness or fuckening childrening. Children and child rearing and medicine and caution is Rhya, Shallya, Verena, and Myrmidia. Tactics and intelligent warfare is something he is explicitly against! Deception and overthinking things? He hates that a lot. So his grasp over the nation weakens, and increasingly his ONLY relevance is PURELY in warfare and violence, literally the first thing he showed to the lands that would become the Empire, who I will remind you, however many times it takes, that the other Gods were already there, with tribes, fighting and warring. There are barrows with wight kings in them and ancient tribes with well worked bronze and iron and torches in them with artwork and grand deeds to their name who fought, led their tribes, and died out ALL before Ulric EVER showed up to the lands of the Empire out of the east.
You are failing to bridge the gap between IC tinted information offerings and the objective reality behind them, and it truly is getting tiresome, dude.
You are wrong. Emphatically. Please stop. It's difficult to focus on writing on the events unfolding in the update as-is.
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