Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
She fought at the First Battle of Black Fire Pass, the Siege of Middenheim, and then fought against Nagash, charged straight into the undying hordes of the First Necromancer, and then even with her forces utterly vanquished, fought on despite the rest of her tribe retreating to the capital of the Asoborn and them not able to find her anywhere in the field. She fought all the way south through the Empire's undead infested lands to Reikdorf, and kept up the fight there, Sigmar going out, saving Three Hills, and returning them to her side and leadership, and then the Empire went on to defeat Nagash.
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That is some much shit that only the protagonists of 2 quests did a similar amount of BS, our boi Fredrick and Mathilda from divided loyalties.
 
Heroes, in the old sense of the word, are more in warhammer. They are capable of feats that are physically impossible.
And even in their day to day, they live through and thrive in extreme situations.


Spending ten years having sex every few days is not that much,compared to some others.

I dont know how real body counts compare, if this is a realistic number.
But some people in warhammer are just different.

Good for her. I wonder who would win if she fought the mc. We have better equipment( i think) but she fought against nagash. And he is nagash.
I am still confused how he was stopped.
 
Absolutely everyone missed the joke. Also she had a kid with sigmar? I've never heard about that, I swear Fredrick even talked about that, something along the lines of "Despite her best efforts" or something.
 
Point of order, I don't think she straight squared up against Nagash, only Sigmar really did that, and even then it was pretty touch and go there for a bit. But her force was crushed utterly by his hordes and she somehow managed to cut her way free and south to Reikdorf while the Asoborns retreated to Three Hills and proclaimed they couldn't find her or retrieve her presumed dead body from the field. I'm uncertain as to whether or not she upgraded from naked charioteer to heavier armor and arms, from bronze to iron, etc. in the progress from being Queen Freya to Countess Freya in that time period.

She'd done her big proclamation of deeds by the time of Sigmar's dad's funeral:

"Queen Freya! Destroyer of the Redmaw Tribe, conqueror of the stunted thieves and slayer of the Great Fang! Lover of a thousand men and Mistress of the Eastern Plains, I come before you to pay homage to your father, and to sup from your strength to measure it against my own!"

—Queen Freya, ruler of the Asoborn tribe as she entered the funeral of King Bjorn Unberogen

So that was -8 IC. That means that she had to have already strangled her husband, destroyed a powerful tribe of presumably greenskins, slew a monster worthy enough to be one of her major accolades as the Great Fang, ruled the Eastern Plains, and raised up the Asoborn into being considered a feral matriarchal devastatingly fierce and violent force that everyone considered 'oh shit, them ladies is tough and strong'. So probably not a child, yeah?

-8 IC was King Bjorn's funeral
-1 IC First Battle of Black Fire Pass
15 IC Nagash's invasion of the Empire, and Nagash's defeat by Sigmar.

So that's -8 to 15 IC, so 23 years of time between the funeral and her having slept with 1000 men minimum, then Sigmar, then the other stuff and Black Fire Pass and Middenheim, and then she went to fight the hordes of Nagash that were invading all of the provinces, and while the Asoborns were beaten back in 'utterly vanquished' levels of defeat, Freya herself managed to fight all the way down and through to Reikdorf as best as I can tell.

So she was definitely not some young spring flower, even slightly, by the time of all that business.

Narasan said:
I am still confused how he was stopped.
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DocMatoi said:
Sigmar hit him in the head with The Hammer That Kills Anything As Long As You Hit The Head
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Actually, Sigmar was straight up about to lose, even with the Crown of Sorcery. Frankly it kind of hurt him towards the end:

Feeling the weight of the crown at his brow grow heavier with every step his horse took towards the hillside, Sigmar felt its anger at him surge, a fury that a mere mortal dared to wield it and not be afflicted by its dreams of pleasure, nightmares of failure, and temptations of wealth, power and godhood. None could reach Sigmar, for he had reached that place where all thoughts of self were extinguished. All that was left to him now was service to his people, and not even death could keep him from that duty. Piece by piece, Sigmar had shed all his earthly desires, putting them aside for the greater good of the Empire. At his side was his dear friend, Wolfgart, the fearsome warrior's bravery in the face of countless revenants cleared a path through the enemies for his Lord. Wolfgart's heroism allowed Sigmar to face Nagash in single combat.

The Lord of Men faced the Lord of Death, and great was Nagash's rage at seeing his crown worn by a mortal man, as well as the desire to at last reclaim it so that he could arise again from the ashes. Yet Nagash was a being far greater than even Sigmar can imagine, and though with Ghal-Maraz in his hand, the Emperor was struck by powers so strong and magic so fell that he was forced upon his knees. As Sigmar stood on the threshold of death, trying desperately to hold against the dark will of Nagash. As all hope seemed lost, a great army of fanatics arrived over the northern horizon, and in that moment of distraction, Sigmar was freed from Nagash will long enough to cast the crown from his brow.

^The only thing stronger than Nagash's rage at Sigmar was his greed for his crown, and he reached for the crown and left himself open to getting hit with Ghal Maraz:

The mighty hammer of the dwarfs smashed into Nagash's cuirass, breaking it into a thousand shards and powering into his chest. Green fire flared from the impact, and ribs that had been fused with dark magic thousands of years prior shattered like ice as Sigmar drove his hammer into the heart of the necromancer's being. Sigmar howled with the wolves and screamed his hatred of Nagash as the runic script on the hammer's haft shone with the purest light. Runes he had not even known existed flared to life on the hammer's head, filling Nagash's hollow existence with fiery beams of light and searing his immortal essence from within.

The necromancer shrieked as his ancient sorcery fought to resist the powerful magic of the dwarfs. Forces too titanic to be understood by mortals battled within his body, easily capable of laying waste to this entire land. Sigmar held onto Ghal-maraz as the star-iron of its head burned brighter than the sun and its grip burned his hands with its ancient fire. The necromancer gave one last shriek of horror, and his body exploded in a wash of black light and frozen fire. Dark magic and immortal energies flared upwards from his destruction like a volcanic eruption. And the sky filled with ashes and grief.

So it was a very, VERY near thing for Sigmar to beat Nagash. But he did beat him, because the hammer itself revealed even greater power than it ever had before.

Also, later on, Sigmar went and fought an Everchosen and pingponged him with the damn thing, so he was getting more powerful as well. But there's nothing during the invasion of Morkar which says that the Asoborn died out during it, or that Freya did either, so absent of that it seems reasonable that she lived through that as well.

Blackangel said:
Also she had a kid with sigmar? I've never heard about that, I swear Fredrick even talked about that, something along the lines of "Despite her best efforts" or something.
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It's the difference between IC and OOC. IC, it's heavily debated whether or not it happened. If the blood of Sigmar actually runs through anyone's veins or not is a matter of intense theological discussion, and there's matters and issues of inheritance, Emperor-ship, etc. if someone were ever to be found to have had it properly. IC, we can't be certain, and as far as Frederick knows, he doesn't think it happened.

Because Frederick knows that Sigmar had one true love, Ravenna, and as far as he's concerned, that's that. It sucks that Ravenna died, yes, but still. He might have slept with Freya, but he didn't have a child with her. Frederick is considerably locked in, monogamy wise, towards his wife. He's shown aesthetic analysis and acknowledgement of the beauty and features of other women in his life, but the only other woman he felt a miniscule of actual proper attraction to besides Natasha was her sister who looked very much like Natasha, but that realization and truth died just as quickly as she showed she had an entirely different personality, demeanor, soul, etc. and he went 'oh, right, not Natasha, back to business then'.

Frederick is capable of having his biases and blinders too, after all. The idea of unifying the tribes as Sigmar did is wonderful, and great, and noble, but you might well need to have forcibly chained Frederick in place with metal spikes in his hands and feet if he had to sleep with another woman than his wife to get a tribe to work with him. And he might well try and bite his tongue off or swallow it to die if you really tried to force him into it.
 
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I'm not an expert on Wolfology or anything, but I'm pretty sure... wolves are (mostly) monogamous and don't have harems either?

Like, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but of the very casual research I've done into wolves, they generally mate for life and in the wilderness most wolf packs consist of a breeding pair of wolves as well as their children and extended family.
 
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torroar said:
Like, I'm flattered to have inspired someone to want to write and engage with the quest in some way or another in a way that isn't just, like, some kind of spite-smash fic
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I am considering writing a story about where King Dimitri of Farghus, together with the kingdom of Farghus, lands besides Kislev during the great war against chaos inside the Doda-verse during his berserker phase. (and the conflict of Kislev seeing damn nigh feral Dimitri who's using ice magic would be great)

Wouldn't be a spite fic in anyway, just, well, life kinda overwhelming me atm
 
Blackout said:
I'm not an expert on Wolfology or anything, but I'm pretty sure... wolves are (mostly) monogamous and don't have harems either?

Like, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but of the very casual research I've done into wolves, they generally mate for life and in the wilderness most wolf packs consist of a breeding pair of wolves as well as their children and extended family.
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Yeah, wolves are monogamous and usually remain paired for life
The breeding pair found and lead a pack of their offspring, with their children eventually dispersing from the pack to find a mate and found their own pack, continuing the cycle
The breeding pair stay together and their new litters maintain the pack numbers as their older children leave
 
torroar said:
Because Frederick knows that Sigmar had one true love, Ravenna, and as far as he's concerned, that's that. It sucks that Ravenna died, yes, but still. He might have slept with Freya, but he didn't have a child with her. Frederick is considerably locked in, monogamy wise, towards his wife. He's shown aesthetic analysis and acknowledgement of the beauty and features of other women in his life, but the only other woman he felt a miniscule of actual proper attraction to besides Natasha was her sister who looked very much like Natasha, but that realization and truth died just as quickly as she showed she had an entirely different personality, demeanor, soul, etc. and he went 'oh, right, not Natasha, back to business then'.

Frederick is capable of having his biases and blinders too, after all. The idea of unifying the tribes as Sigmar did is wonderful, and great, and noble, but you might well need to have forcibly chained Frederick in place with metal spikes in his hands and feet if he had to sleep with another woman than his wife to get a tribe to work with him. And he might well try and bite his tongue off or swallow it to die if you really tried to force him into it.
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Frederick is truly a chad among men and his and Natasha's relationship will probably be romatised in future generations as the goal for marriage; like, I am sorry, but how many other husbands can claim to kill two avatars of powerful gods because they plot had their wife's health as collateral, or how many wives can claim to calm the man whose anger can get the attention of all the gods how have the slightest claim on that emotion.

Seriously those two are so sweet together.
 
Hmm, since Anna got idea of blimps from dwarfs I wonder how'd she react if she saw their submarines, lol.

I hope one day that Ostland becomes the place of weird Vaportech vehicles and such, considering our tanks, plans for motorcycles, and more. Each Ostland carrying several flasks of high proof not just for a drink, but to fuel their rides!
 
Another thing to keep in mind when thinking of Ostland engeneering...
It is not only human and dwarf based. Halflings and Ogres had both managed to contibute.
And halfflings are still gaining speed. All I'm saying that one of those day one of them may decide they want a lightnig cooked food and his buddies asking him how he tamed essence of the storm which leads to elecricity being the next big tech...

At some point we may see some truly bizzard inventions being brought into existence. only to be remiinded that magic and technology can have kids :p


Massgamer said:
Each Ostland carrying several flasks of high proof not just for a drink, but to fuel their rides!
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But yes. I can see this being a standard for alcohol , somehow.
 
torroar said:
The whole idea of Ulrican harems is a big, and, well, incorrect, leap here, sorry.
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Niksol said:
Like, sure @verynew, you do you, but do you really need a harem to tell your story?
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As I see it, our glorious quest master have shown followers of Taal, Rhya and Ulric to be rather wild. So I don't get were the idea that "they are perfectly civilized folks, at home, almost like hobbits" comes from.

In my view, those three old gods represent stone age archetypes. Taal is about solitary survival in the wilds, like a beast. Rhya is about communal survival in the wilds, as a pack. Ulric is about dominating wilderness, by carving a piece from it. All three archetypes predate civilization, with Ulric being civilization's starting point, so his followers are drawn to the edge of it.


Multiple people pointed out that wolves are monogamous (mostly). It would be fair argument, if wifes were match for their husbands, to count as "pack", rather than "territory". And when husband and wife are matched, it means they can keep more "territory" (lesser wifes, concubines).

Also, I didn't read books about Freya. But in context of martial feats, "1000 lovers" probably means "1000 utterly devoted zealots", - not "1000 utterly broken r*pe victims". At least, I hope so.
 
Humanity managing to survive the world through the bronze age and even before is kinda crazy. Like man imagine having to deal with orcs or goblins with naught but some clubs and wooden spears and some basic bow and arrows. not a twinkle of metal to be had for armor or weaponry.

Brutal stuff.
 
verynew said:
"1000 lovers" probably means "1000 utterly devoted zealots", - not "1000 utterly broken r*pe victims". At least, I hope so.
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I doubt very much that she was a mega rapist or else Sigmar and everyone else would not have thought of her as an ally with friendly relations to the Unberogens, who were relatively honorable amongst the tribes. So, yeah.

verynew said:
In my view, those three old gods represent stone age archetypes. Taal is about solitary survival in the wilds, like a beast. Rhya is about communal survival in the wilds, as a pack. Ulric is about dominating wilderness, by carving a piece from it. All three archetypes predate civilization, with Ulric being civilization's starting point, so his followers are drawn to the edge of it.
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So...no?

Not really, sorry. It's...hmm. Okay.

Taal and Rhya are a split set of deities who originally began, in the olden olden times, as Ishernos, who actually was as close to a Stone Age God as you can get in terms of beliefs. Ishernos was the God of all of nature, and had both male and female aspects, specifically depending on the seasons as to which aspect was more dominant. The eldest symbols of worship for the ancient stone cairns are a triskeles set, which to some people makes sense, because over time eventually Ulric showed up more and more, and took on the aspect of Winter, and eventual Ishernos became more separated into Taal and Rhya, with Taal representing nature, beasts, mountains and forests, and Rhya 'the Earth Mother' representing agriculture, fertility, and nature. Taal, if anything, is a specific repulsion of civilization, his Cult disdains 'works of science' and industry, like, steel and iron made with forges, and prefers just pure leathers, furs, cloth, etc. instead of armor or more. His more extremist devotees, the Wild Men (And women) wear no clothes, use only hands and body, live in the deep woods, filthy and bestial, and so on.

Plus, there's even other elder Gods that other Gods slowly gobbled up, replaced, were named in place of, reconsecrated, presumed dominant, and more, who faded away into local legends, smaller spirits, or even less than that. As the tribes that crossed into the West carrying the worship of Ulric with them, many of these were deposed or submitted to other Gods.

Ahalt the Drinker was the former Nature God of the Menogoths, God of the Hunt and Fertility, and the Cult of Taal and Rhya literally went after his ass hardcore, hunting down, forcibly converting, etc. his followers until he ran away with a tiny Cult that kept him sustained enough to eke out a half-existence down the centuries. But as Gods can change, and do, so did Ahalt, and he became a twisted, bloodthirsty being who's rites and rituals and worship became bloodsoaked blasphemies compared to the true ancient ways, and he's still a problem in the southern provinces even now. He explicitly did not start out that way, and was driven to it out of anger and fury and hate against Taal and Rhya booting his ass in so hard that he was nearly unmade entirely.

So the problem with your assertion that what they represent is a stone age thing is that they, quite frankly, don't.

Taal was essentially the King of the Gods at one point, and ruled the places of nature while his wife built and championed civilization and quite literally represented the calming of nature's wrath through the work and patience of the wife (and humanity) through their doings. And he is the one who built his city, Taalheim, first, in the huge crater in near center of the Empire. He is a God who disdains civilization, wishes the wild places to grow unchecked by it:

Taal represents the power and majesty of nature, not only of the physical world of stone and wood, but also the primal urge of life within all creatures. He is not only the physical heart of a person, but also the spark that makes the heart pump. Taal represents vigour and growth in all its forms -- especially the transitions from childhood and adulthood, when life is at its peak. Taal inspires wildness; the primal fury of the beast is his domain and he is primarily worshipped by hardy woodsmen, trackers, and rangers.

You've sort of gone completely wrong with Taal, he most emphatically does not represent solitary survival in the woods. His thing is literally ALL nature, from the trees to the wood to the beasts and more. He is not solitary survival, he is nature itself, which thrives and survives against itself and within itself. Ulric is the God of Wolves, but Taal is the God of a shit ton of other animals too that travel in herds, in groups, in families, from beavers to deer to bears to stags to rabbits to birds and more. And Rhya, in turn, is part of that relationship as well, in a different aspect but one just as important. Ulric may well have once been part of Ishernos, but became his own God in his own right in his own way, with his people carrying his fire and faith into the lands and settling atop Middenheim and building a city. You quite simply cannot have a God function as 'on the edge of civilization' as you wish to claim Ulric to be, when one of his first known great acts was to smite a mountaintop and install upon it a plateau such that his people might rule from a mighty city that they would claim as their home and holy place forevermore. Like, here's a myth between Taal, Rhya, and Ulric.

A woman, heavy with child, was lost in the woods. Ulric claimed her fate was his to decide, for she was in the domain of his pack. His brother Taal declared that the wild must be free to do as it will. Only Rhya stood in defiance of her consort and his brother. She showed them the she-wolf defending its cubs. She showed them the eagle feeding eaglets in the nest. She showed them that even the serpent warms its new-hatched young. Ulric and Taal softened, bowed to Rhya, and she guided the mother back to her hearth.

So the thing about this, is that's something Rhya does. But what gets me is the statement that Rhya is the communal survival in the woods, as a pack, thing? That's...that's literally one of the things that Ulric talks about. Surviving as a pack, a pack of wolves, a pack of brothers in battle, and so on. So that's just a half-skip jump right off the road there, man.

Ulricans see arguments, flaring passions, and even fist-fights simply as part of the order of things. Most Ulricans harbour no ill-will from defeat to another Ulrican since, to them, the best teacher is the defeat you survive, and for many conflict forms tighter bonds of friendship. Brothers-in-arms will frequently fall into brawls, but Ulric's devotees know that they are strongest together, like a pack of wolves.

However, Ulric also demands that his followers should be strong alone, and expects independence to be displayed in all walks of life. He is a distant, harsh and unforgiving god who expects his followers to stand on their own two feet, relying on their individual strength and putting their faith in martial prowess. He is considered to be indifferent to the outcome of wars, and watches over battles letting warriors live or die by their own skill. The least Ulric expects of his followers is to keep his lands free of his enemies, and to always meet them face to face without fear.

^ So even then, the solitary survival thing you attributed to Taal? Quite simply, nope. That's Ulric. Taal believes in knowing how to treat nature not simply as a peer, but a superior. If you can hunt something, do it honorably, do it preferably without metal, just wood and stone. But nature will take its course, and there's whole swathes of his Cult and his faithful going out into the woods to learn naturecraft with their fathers, as a father-son-familial bonding exercise and passing of knowledge. There are lodges out in the woods where they go - as groups, the Taalites - to murmur of things of Man and not Woman. Meanwhile, the Cult of Rhya has their own similar things that they go off and do.

Ulric has never been about dominating nature. He just isn't. He's about dominating your enemies. Respectfully hunting a wolf is one thing, but overall dominating nature? Not really. At most, you should be capable of surviving in bad conditions, with strength, skill, bravery, and hopefully with the aid of your pack with martial prowess against beasts you're hunting. But overall nature domination isn't the same thing, and certainly isn't some kind of overarching focus.

Rhya is the taming of nature, the turning of wild things into softer things, of agriculture, of creating fields of grain and orchards of fruit rather than simply picking at randomly placed bushes of berries or picking a fruit from a single tree in the forest.

None of these Gods are a 'beginning of civilization' God. Ulric was carried west and literally bludgeoned into dominance over the land, and even then, Taal and Rhya had Taalheim which would become Talabheim, a vast forested land, that none of the other majorly Ulrican tribes could take from them. They were violent, nasty, conquering every other God and deity that they could which dared to shared similar aspects to them. Taal and Rhya whupped the ass of every other Nature God up and down the proto-Empire until everyone else was subordinate to them, to the King of Nature aka Taal, and could only pray to Rhya that she could calm him down from ripping them several new assholes even more so than he'd already done, only to miss the fact that she was the one rubbing her hubby's shoulders and back as he sat and took a rest from how much ass kicking he was doing to the other nature Gods to get him ready to go and do it again.

It's just...you're approaching all three Gods from just the wrong stance entirely. Gods change. Sigmar popped up, a different God entirely. Gods have different interpretations, different faces that they're known more by in certain areas, they're not solely monolithic beings a lot of the time. Taal and Rhya are the modernized version of Ishernos, who himself is quite possibly a bastardized version of Kurnous and Isha as best as the humans of the Old World could interpret from elven ruins after the War of Vengeance. Ahalt the Drinker was a major tribe's Nature God, and he was reduced to a blood-hungry throat-opener bastard after Taal and Rhya decided they wanted to straight up kill him by taking out all of his worshippers entirely and subsuming his lands and area, which they very nearly did except a tiny little surviving remnant that escaped and hid themselves well enough. There's different myths about the invasions of Chaos, one where Taal led everyone, one where Ulric led everyone and Taal didn't believe it, and so on. Manann is the unrestrained child of Taal and Rhya, as well, so that's another thing entirely, while Verena is married to Morr, who from their union spawned Shallya and Myrmidia. And even then! You have 'white bird = healing Goddess' but Shallya and Salyak are not the same, with wholly different priesthoods and clearly distinct differences. Different tales as to how Ranald is/became a God too. Is Ptra the God of the Sun and other things in Nehekhara just Asuryan of the elves? Nope! Despite having a multitude of similarities, possibly inspirations of the latter to creating the former, Nagash turned servants of Ptra into horrid abominations, not Asuryan. Gods change. Gods diverge. Gods are static and flowing at the same time.

"Evina Klug, Verena's high priestess in Middenheim, allowed me to access her libraries, and there I uncovered the tale of Lupos, a Wolf God associated with Taal and Rhya, possibly as part of an ancient triumvirate. In particular, the White Wolf was of especial importance to that deity, and represented the long-dead religion's ferocity and passion. Does it not seem likely that the early Teutogens may have absorbed the Cult of Lupos, probably at the end of an axe. Thus, Ulric's association with wolves may be stolen from another cult, and may have nothing to do with the original cult at all? If my suspicions are true, they will bring many Ulrican religious texts into question, for wolf iconography is now associated with Ulric from the beginning of time-and I believe that may be a lie!"

—The third journal of Werner Stoltz, Sigmar's High Capitular in Middenheim

In your view, you're approaching them as stone age archetypes.

They are not. That would have been Ishernos, and that God is long gone, sublimating into distinct sums greater than their former whole. Ulric is a conquering God who came from the east, and was installed into power and dominance with bloodshed over peoples, not nature, and was set up with Middenheim, his great bastion city. Stone age was not building big cities. Just wasn't. Ulric is not a God at all representative of civilization's starting point, he is a God of people, of their wars, of winter itself, of wolves, who came with already established peoples who already had a culture and a way of doing things and they fought their way in to start it in a place that already had a grand originating city in Taalheim under Taal. Verena is the Goddess of Wisdom, sciences, laws, writing, scribes, knowledge. Myrmidia is a Goddess of Arts, Architecture, War, Love, and yes, Civilization in certain interpretations.

Also, the 'territory and lesser wives/concubines' thing doesn't work either. You appear to have missed my post earlier on Boris Todbringer, a major Ulrican man, and how having extra women outside of his marriage was not considered a good thing, at all. It's just. Not. A. Thing. There is no pack/territory/extra women situation going on with the Ulricans, man. There just plain old isn't.

And I would not say they're like hobbits either. The Teutogens, the tribe that ruled from Middenheim, were amongst the most bloodthirsty and warmongering of all the tribes, and well known for it. The only instance of non-strict monogamy was introduced into 4th Edition Warhammer between Taal and Rhya, not with Ulric or his followers, and even then, that's brand new potential canon, not established in the prior editions.

This whole 'carving a piece of the wilderness' thing out is just not a big part of Ulric or his Cult, Ulric has never focused on nature being unrivaled and dominant or nutured and transformed as with Taal and Rhya. His concerns are of War, Winter, Wolves. And generally, it's about Winter being Winter and how people deal with it, survive in it, or don't, not 'carving' a season out for himself or any of that business.

So, again, no.

Also, Freya can have had sex with 1000+ men consensually, I don't understand why you had to bring up them being possibly rape victims in the first place.
 
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torroar said:
Rhya is the taming of nature, the turning of wild things into softer things, of agriculture, of creating fields of grain and orchards of fruit rather than simply picking at randomly placed bushes of berries or picking a fruit from a single tree in the forest.
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Makes sense, the wife being the one that puts the house in order and make sure things actually run well.

Could Sigmar count as a god of civilization since he is the patron god of the Empire itself? He does have a lot of domains after all.
 
torroar said:
Ulric is a conquering God who came from the east, and was installed into power and dominance with bloodshed over peoples, not nature, and was set up with Middenheim, his great bastion city.
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Can I just say, this is one of the most interesting conversations I've seen you write Torroar. I never knew Ulric had come from the east, despite knowing that many of the tribes of the empire came from the east (quite where that is another discussion which I think has been talked about).

It's making me incredibly curious about humanity pre-ulric coming now :cry: :D :V
 
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If I recall correctly, Ulric originally didn't even have anything to do with wolves, he and his cult kind of just gobbled up a pre-existing pre-Imperial Wolf God known as Lupus and took on his aspects.
 
It's entirely possible that some dwarf chemist/engineer has created it, but it might well remain locked away for another many hundreds of years before release, if ever. But overall, while it might - might - be concievable by alchemists/chemists in the Old World, the actual means of producing the purely mundane substance of thermite does not appear to be at a stage where thermite exists. Similar burny powder stuff, aided with, hell I dunno, warpstone guano from mutated bats, or a bit of crystallized Aqshy turned to powder and maintained in that form with a minute enchantment painstakingly engraved on each grain, etc. are possible too.
 
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By any chance, does the Empire have the knowledge or means to make thermite? I imagine it could be rather useful as an incendiary weapon.
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Of the metals listed in the intro to the article the only one that the Empire might have is zinc. Up in Arms mentions that dwarfs know what galvanization is which implies that the Karaz Ankor has access to zinc, but it's unknown if the Empire has access to that metal.

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torroar said:
He is a God who disdains civilization, wishes the wild places to grow unchecked by it:
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torroar said:
Taal, if anything, is a specific repulsion of civilization, his Cult disdains 'works of science' and industry, like, steel and iron made with forges, and prefers just pure leathers, furs, cloth, etc. instead of armor or more.
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Personal question:
If tall is disdainful of civilisation, do he (and/or his cult) come to blows with gods that champions it like Verena, Sigmar and Myrmidia? Because with how his and Rhya's cult are possible having schism over the usage of the new earth seeder machines you would think they would be more belligerent over the fact that the Empire is ever marching towards more scientific progress.

Oh and what would be the difference between humans and beavers building a damn? Because for humans building damns are a hallmark of civilisation but for beavers it's simply to build a safe nest.
 
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