Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Orzelbialy said:
how about revolvers, gatling machine guns and primitive versions of sniper rifles for officer elimination and intrigue options? how is it feasible?
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So, Anna is generally working on stuff like this in the background. But none of it has gotten close to being viable as yet.

Oleg-14191 said:
Can we negotiate with Ulthuan for some Asur horses?

I know they really care for them and absolutely don't gift them, unless for something truly exceptional.

And if destroying a really large groups of Druchii and capture of Black Ark doesn't count as exceptional, I don't know what does.
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If we can successfully bring Eldyra and Sadrina out of the Black Ark that we are stuck on, we... likely could ask for Asur horses for breeding purposes as thanks? But its certainly not a guarantee. I'd kinda want to ask for more lessons on magic for our wizards. Helped take out 2 black arks, please send Teclis back. Probably not really likely, but dang if it wouldn't be awesome.
 
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Orzelbialy said:
how about revolvers, gatling machine guns and primitive versions of sniper rifles for officer elimination and intrigue options? how is it feasible?
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My dude, we are still on Matchlock technology, we're not even close to Snaplocks never mind Flintlock technology.

Maybe a Wheelock revolver or a multi-shot musket via drunk tech but not mutch more to hope for right now.
 
We might...emphasis on might. Be able to manage developing something like the Kalthoff repeater one day.

Its very niche, very expensive and very weird. So it fits the vibes of WHF.

But this would be less something we could mass produce and more of a personal weapon for the family.
 
torroar said:
Some factions, like Bretonnia, have focused on animal husbandry for their history at the expense of many other potential advancements, but it does mean that they can throw some flights of pegasi knights and such more regularly than any other Old World human faction. Others, like the Elves, have had thousands upon thousands of years to build up the knowledge, infrastructure, and relationships with the magical beasts. The Empire has some magical beasts, like some of the Knightly Orders with magical mounts, but overall, they also have a lot of guns, cannons, and strange mechanical creations which are also quite effective in their own way.
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Using this post to jump of in a bit of an explanation of the differences between 40k imperium and fantasy empire of man, if you don't mind torroar. Not a direct response to you.

it also helps that the High Elves are one of the superpowers of the world, who have essentially a whole continent of their own, the strongest navy in setting, something that is only contested by other elves, truly global reach, the second most advances magic in setting, an unfathomable amount of experience and wealth that exceeds everything humanity has to offer.

In a stark contrast to 40k, the humans of the empire are not the top faction of the fantasy setting or even just one of the top factions. They are.... maybe an ascending middling power?

In 40k terms, the empire of man is less the imperium - whose warhammer fantasy equivalent are the skaven - and more, like, the Tau. An ascending middling power, can throw a punch, but if any of the true superpowers of the setting (high elves, dark elves, skaven, Lizard men) ever truly focused on wiping them out, the empire would be screwed.

One time the skaven tried to wipe out the empire, they essentially stomped them until external circumstances and their own fuckups allowed the empire to claim the narrowest of victories. (Hey, on that account, does that make the skaven wars the fantasy equivalent of the damocles crusade?).

Something to keep in mind if one comes from the 40k to fantasy
 
iggyfan said:
Actually, the QM has stated that rhinoxen are potentially useable as livestock.
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MrRobot said:
Rinhoxens can very well be tamed specifically by ogres that have the strength to rear them.
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Fair enough, but actually getting enough to Ostland to make into a useable force would be a whole thing, to say nothing about training them and such.

Think we are better off making big motorized bikes for ogres if we want cavalry for them so badly.
 
Massgamer said:
Fair enough, but actually getting enough to Ostland to make into a useable force would be a whole thing, to say nothing about training them and such.

Think we are better off making big motorized bikes for ogres if we want cavalry for them so badly.
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From what I can recall rhinoxen-as-livestock was meant more in the sense of things like cows and sheep rather than war mounts, that would come afterwards if at all.
 
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iggyfan said:
From what I can recall rhinoxen-as-livestock was meant more in the sense of things like cows and sheep rather than war mounts, that would come afterwards if at all.
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Maybe, but as said getting a large enough group of them from Morn all the way to Ostland would be hard and require dealing with Maw ogres, something Urgdug naturally hates for good reason.

Not impossible, just very hard.
 
Basically the a cross between Bison and Rhinos on steroids, big bulky and stinky beasts of burden.

Suffice to say despite all the problems in rearing them they can do whatever a cow can do but a bit better. With time we could adapt to get some war variants, luke for instance the possiblity of Ogre "cavalry".
It does take time to make this project decades even, and possibly an contact line with Dawi that aren't under sige right now but it's doable for us.
 
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Massgamer said:
Maybe, but as said getting a large enough group of them from Morn all the way to Ostland would be hard and require dealing with Maw ogres, something Urgdug naturally hates for good reason.

Not impossible, just very hard.
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While rhinoxen are most closely associated with ogres and thus the mountains of mourn, they do not exclusively live there. There's a thriving population of them in the relatively close world's edge mountains.
 
Massgamer said:
Nuln school has already made pistoleers for mounted unit, made their own version of repeating crossbows, and are most likely to make sniper rifles, assuming Hochland doesn't do so as they did canonically.

Our research is the more crazy and wild kind, which is why we are making things like landmines, deathspinners, wingsuits, etc.

GM has mentioned before it would be a logistical nightmare actually keeping them fed and controlled, so no go there.

I'm just happy having monstrous heavy infantry in form of our ogres, which is literally designed to be our answer to monstrous units.
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Drunken wisdom you say? ok. So Panzerfausts, nothing complicated, we have steam tanks so they are possible. Another option is bludgers based on the doomspher but dealing blunt damage against heavy infantry, hand-held flamethrowers powered by alcohol vapors, mines and gas and acid grenades, etc. Steam-driven concrete rollers covered with blades, napalm bombs, alcohol version for birds. Any of this doable and crazy enough?
 
Orzelbialy said:
Drunken wisdom you say? ok. So Panzerfausts, nothing complicated, we have steam tanks so they are possible. Another option is bludgers based on the doomspher but dealing blunt damage against heavy infantry, hand-held flamethrowers powered by alcohol vapors, mines and gas and acid grenades, etc. Steam-driven concrete rollers covered with blades, napalm bombs, alcohol version for birds. Any of this doable and crazy enough?
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We already have some of these.

The doomsphere already does damage on light cavalry, and is basically a bludger on cavalry. If a sometimes explosion isn't enough for heavy cavalry...
torroar said:
Doomsphere - An ogre sized chunk of whirling metal, spikes, blades, and gears that can be wound up and spun at the enemy. Sometimes explodes at the end. Extremely effective against light infantry.
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The Titan Cannon serves as a panzerfaust substitiute. Keep in mind we do not possess the industry to mass produce some things, so doing the panzerfaust is excessive waste.
torroar said:
Titan Cannon - Reverse engineered technology from the workings of the Sky Titans, a massive cannon that dwarfs all others by several degrees. Requiring a large crew, but capable of firing enormous cannon balls or truly horrific clouds of grapeshot. Made of steel and iron rather than the bronze of its predecessor the 'Ironblaster' which are commonly found only in the hands of ogres. Unfortunately.
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Got napalm bombs.
torroar said:
Refined Hohenzollern Cocktails - A mixture of alcohol and chemicals that burn better than just alcohol would, set aflame and thrown at the enemy. Most infantry units carry at least one on them into battle, granting minor fire damage abilities and a last ditch attack should they be about to be overwhelmed.
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torroar said:
Grenadier Suits - Specially developed suits of shaped armor and leather. A large padded metallic backpack is loaded up with various explosives, with specially shaped gauntlets to aid in lobbing them further. Carries numerous fire starters and backup wicks that are kept dry in the backpacks until used
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We got mines.
torroar said:
Anna von Hohenzollern's Metallic Discs Of Devastating Destruction, or Boomdiscs, are devices of black powder, specially shaped and fractured metal deposits, springs, and other such things. Once properly engaged, and planted, pressure placed upon them from a significantly weighty enough force will cause them to erupt.
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torroar said:
Anna von Hohenzollern's Bombastic Bird Bombers, or more simply called the Bird Bomber Flocks. Flocks of trained birds carrying long-fuse explosives that are then dropped onto enemy formations. Prone to accidents, but devastating when enough detonate in the right place.
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I think we don't have the acids, or the airborne poisons. Then again Cult of Taal and Rya may frown on that sort of destruction of environments.

Can't do the Roller because the School hasn;t specced into that sort of non-military construction or stuff yet. Maybe after Vaporcyclers is complete? It'll show up as a possible creation to explore for cement spreading? If Anna would create the cement, or the knowledge is worth exploring into a research action.
 
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I'd say that if magic becomes more common and accepted and if ties to the eonir become more concrete that certain elves could lend their expertise and experience with mythical dangerous creatures. Than maybe in future monstrous units could become available. But not now. Right now none of that is available. I'm hoping that Vaporcycler become a thing. I love cycling and would love bikes in this setting.
 
Marlin said:
We already have some of these.

The doomsphere already does damage on light cavalry, and is basically a bludger on cavalry. If a sometimes explosion isn't enough for heavy cavalry...


The Titan Cannon serves as a panzerfaust substitiute. Keep in mind we do not possess the industry to mass produce some things, so doing the panzerfaust is excessive waste.


Got napalm bombs.



We got mines.



I think we don't have the acids, or the airborne poisons. Then again Cult of Taal and Rya may frown on that sort of destruction of environments.

Can't do the Roller because the School hasn;t specced into that sort of non-military construction or stuff yet. Maybe after Vaporcyclers is complete? It'll show up as a possible creation to explore for cement spreading? If Anna would create the cement, or the knowledge is worth exploring into a research action.
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maybe so, but for me victory is more important, of course the cost is high, but losing wouldn't leave much of the environment anyway. What about rollers, flamethrowers and repeating blade disc launchers designed exclusively for combat against air targets?
 
or Hwacha-style missile launchers that will appear in the future but only against air forces? or perhaps hand-held mini cannons designed to fight in human-sized tunnels like those for ogres?
 
Marlin said:
We already have some of these.

The doomsphere already does damage on light cavalry, and is basically a bludger on cavalry. If a sometimes explosion isn't enough for heavy cavalry...


The Titan Cannon serves as a panzerfaust substitiute. Keep in mind we do not possess the industry to mass produce some things, so doing the panzerfaust is excessive waste.


Got napalm bombs.



We got mines.



I think we don't have the acids, or the airborne poisons. Then again Cult of Taal and Rya may frown on that sort of destruction of environments.

Can't do the Roller because the School hasn;t specced into that sort of non-military construction or stuff yet. Maybe after Vaporcyclers is complete? It'll show up as a possible creation to explore for cement spreading? If Anna would create the cement, or the knowledge is worth exploring into a research action.
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by roller I mean something definitely military sized that allows you to crush ogres covered in blades, it would be expensive anyway but like tanks it is not intended to be mass produced
 
I said it before and I'll say it again: the thing we need the most is a canon light enough and rapid firing enough to allow us to reliably hit super heavy fliers, like dragons.
 
We probably can make a better reloading system to the titan canons. Fill the area with shrapnel would take down a dragon if you hit.

These thing can't fly without wings.
 
MrRobot said:
We probably can make a better reloading system to the titan canons. Fill the area with shrapnel would take down a dragon if you hit.

These thing can't fly without wings.
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Dragons are not a threat to Ostland.

torroar said:
Hmm, not sure about that. It's been said that Hippogryphs on occasion are so insanely territorial that they'll fight a dragon to the death if their territory is invaded, but nothing certain on them winning. No real sources on grphons vs. dragons, lore-wise, that I can find immediately with a 5 second looksie. Possible though. Armor piercing is definitely an upgrade option and Oskana does have that, reasonably.

Thing is though, Venomfang was not an 'average' Black Dragon. I believe I specifically mentioned that he was much larger and tougher than the other two dragons. Black Dragons are warped from birth with powerful Dhar magic, and unlike the Asur the Druchii see them largely as resources to be done with as they please. Experimenting with all sorts of things on them. And Oskana was still tearing away at his scales. And he still had vulnerable spots that Oskana could have taken advantage of with her intelligence that a typical hippogryph likely would not have managed. Eyes, tongue, mouth, the uh...area that Frederick hit.

Plus, Venomfang wasn't doing much to Oskana, either. The two of them were basically reduced to angry physical slamming and smashing into one another because one was an especially powerful Black Dragon and on the other end you had Oskana with her supreme durability.
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torroar said:
Black Dragons are not proper Dhar Dragons. They are, at their core, Dhar-afflicted, Dhar-tainted.

True Dhar Dragons are known as Warpstone Dragons, for it is they who embody, imbibe, consume, release, ARE of Dhar. Because that's what Warpstone is, crystallized concentrated Winds of Magic. Yes, it comes from Morrslieb, but Storms of Magic can carry it out of the Polar Gates, and sufficiently powerful sorcerers can on occasion force it into existence out of powerful enough gusts of the Winds.

Frost/Ice Dragons are already white/blue, while Storm Dragons are blue/white.

Ish.

It should be remembered that Dhar is a horrid pitch sludge thing of magic, but that High Magic, Qhaysh is NOT a single color. Hysh is the White Wind.

Qhaysh...is not that. It is all the winds, but harmonious where Dhar is corruptive and coarse.



If there were such a dragon, it could be possibly either the First Celestial Dragon Emperor, who slumbers eternally, or Draugnir, who was slain by Anath Raema with his body later forming Ulthuan.
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Very specific types of dragons are a threat to Ostland, but 'dragon' the normal dragon is not a threat in general. Not like a Black Dragon (rarely encountered unless dark Elves were to attack Ostland for some reason), Undead Skeleton of a Dragon (Unlikely to encounter unless a powerful necromancer is around), Forest Dragon (Fighting with Wood Elves), Warpstone Dragons (Chaos stuff, so maybe).

And even then, the dragons encountered among those breeds will have something specific to beef it up so it's wings will not be taken out that easily. Undead (I can fly with no flesh!), Black Dragon (I breathe Dhar genetic engineering! I am Awesome!), Warpfire Dragon (Ra! Ra! Ra! RAGE! I FLY NOW!).
 
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Marlin said:
Dragons are not a threat to Ostland.




Very specific types of dragons are a threat to Ostland, but 'dragon' the normal dragon is not a threat in general. Not like a Black Dragon (rarely encountered unless dark Elves were to attack Ostland for some reason), Undead Skeleton of a Dragon (Unlikely to encounter unless a powerful necromancer is around), Forest Dragon (Fighting with Wood Elves), Warpstone Dragons (Chaos stuff, so maybe).

And even then, the dragons encountered among those breeds will have something specific to beef it up so it's wings will not be taken out that easily. Undead (I can fly with no flesh!), Black Dragon (I breathe Dhar genetic engineering! I am Awesome!), Warpfire Dragon (Ra! Ra! Ra! RAGE! I FLY NOW!).
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I mean that is fair, generally having long range artillery is still valuable but yeah as long a Grifin is around and aunt Scaladrixa wants to be part of polite society, while possibly trying to raise her black dragon child, most wild dragons would stay the fuck away.

More to the fact Dragons are rare even for Druichi standards we get their main dragon guy here and 2 arcs and yet he brought in 3 dragons.
 
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