That might be an answer, but Tasha in that moment would have had her blood up and wouldn't have been able to get that answer out at the time. Because Ori had just gone after her hog wild with the other younger Herd around. Tasha's still young, and she has a much better iron control on her emotions than anyone her age should as a result of her mother's early parenting years, but Ori going at her like she would in the omake would have made it very, very hard for her to be particularly articulate. It would be something she comes up with later to approach Ori with once she's calmed down.
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That might be an answer, but Tasha in that moment would have had her blood up and wouldn't have been able to get that answer out at the time. Because Ori had just gone after her hog wild with the other younger Herd around. Tasha's still young, and she has a much better iron control on her emotions than anyone her age should as a result of her mother's early parenting years, but Ori going at her like she would in the omake would have made it very, very hard for her to be particularly articulate. It would be something she comes up with later to approach Ori with once she's calmed down.
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In fairness, there's some validity to the "why can't I do what Karola won't" response itself; it's not just some stupid zinger that deserves to be brutally taken down with FACTS and LOGIC.
A lot of the Elector Counts are nowhere near as personally scary in close combat as Frederick or even Magnus are. A natural preference for avoiding violence and gore does not mean that a person is weak or stupid. If Karola has a lot of family she can trust to be capable warriors and agents on her behalf in situations likely to involve violence, then on some level... why isn't that good enough?
Maybe she'll die gallantly in a situation where someone more battle-hardened might have survived. Maybe something will go wrong. But things have gone wrong before, many times in the history of the Empire. And who knows, maybe she'll make correct choices because she isn't personally distracted by that urge to get stuck in and lead her troops from the front. Who can say?
Maybe the fact that Ori wants to help Karola and cover for the areas Karola neither wishes nor thrives in isn't entirely a bad thing, and maybe we don't need to stamp every potential future Elector Count of the dynasty into carbon copies of the same person, the way Magnus in practical effect governs like a (slightly) lesser version of his father.
A lot of the Elector Counts are nowhere near as personally scary in close combat as Frederick or even Magnus are. A natural preference for avoiding violence and gore does not mean that a person is weak or stupid. If Karola has a lot of family she can trust to be capable warriors and agents on her behalf in situations likely to involve violence, then on some level... why isn't that good enough?
Maybe she'll die gallantly in a situation where someone more battle-hardened might have survived. Maybe something will go wrong. But things have gone wrong before, many times in the history of the Empire. And who knows, maybe she'll make correct choices because she isn't personally distracted by that urge to get stuck in and lead her troops from the front. Who can say?
Maybe the fact that Ori wants to help Karola and cover for the areas Karola neither wishes nor thrives in isn't entirely a bad thing, and maybe we don't need to stamp every potential future Elector Count of the dynasty into carbon copies of the same person, the way Magnus in practical effect governs like a (slightly) lesser version of his father.
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I´m calling dibs on this one.
I´ll write that one when I´ve got the time.
edit: yo @torroar you cool with me writing these out then? From time to time?
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IIRC even they have gotten tired of him neglecting his duties and are now actively looking for a replacement for him. But it's been a while and I don't remember exactly what was talked about
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...Beyond the strictures of "Don't submit to evil powers", "Don't be a destructive manager", and a third stricture I'll get to in a moment, I could not care less what kind of Elector Karola ends up being. If she goes her entire reign without ever stepping foot on a battlefield, I literally do not care so long as she doesn't inflict unnecessary damage on the people she's responsible for.
Which brings us to the third principle; whatever you do not, make sure it's because you won't, not because you can't. (1:18 time stamp - don't be Satine)
If Karola's matter of course is that champions fight in her stead because she doesn't want to pick up a weapon and throw down, good. That's the fucking point of bodyguards and proxies, VIPs should not be risking themselves in deadly situations, and while I respect Freddy for stepping in when shit hits the fan I agree with Natasha that he does it more than he probably should.
But if Karola's matter of course is that champions fight in her stead because she's mentally incapable of combat and starts crying and begging and pleading and dissembling to avoid...whatever it is she's afraid of, that's a problem in a peasant or burgher and unacceptable in a ruler.
The former "won't" is a matter of moral integrity, and can be respectable as a sign of intelligence, courage, compassion, and/or caution as appropriate.
The latter "can't" is a character flaw that will be exploited and used to cause injury and suffering to others.
The "won't vs can't" rule and how to manipulate it to your advantage is something that makes an appearance on a weekly, sometimes daily basis in certain professions, and I've seen a fair few "can'ts" ruined by it. It will be much worse in a setting where gods, daemons, and all sorts of nasty magical shit is an ever-present threat.
A pacifist Karola will probably be a great ruler for Ostland. A cowardly, and especially a fearfully dishonest and manipulative, Karola will be dead weight.
EDIT: removed the first part because it doesn't add anything worthwhile to the conversation.
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Karola doesn't just not want to fight in personal combat, she doesn't like any part of ruling associated with violence in any way shape or form. This includes planning battles or even authorizing something that will lead to violence. She's a deadweight as an heir and a danger to the province should she come to power. The sooner she's allowed to join a Shayllan Convent the better. Better for everyone that way.
While I'm pretty sure that The Karole Debate (TM) has been forbidden on account of it not being a problem for IRL years as Freddy is still hale and hearty never mind Magnus.
I personally think the obsession that the thread had for high martial characters is a little weird, an elector count is more than just a general, Karola could be a wonderful economic and diplomatic focus elector count that turns Ostland into more than just a weapons factory and ensures the deals we make as Freddy gets passed down through the generations (in fact it's the 3rd generation that always breaks the pacts with elves according to the eonir so maybe that diplo focus could be important) The heard has no dearth of Great generals and Martial Heroes, it, however, does have a lack of people in stewardship and diplomacy, Karola fills a gap in our competency as a region and giving her to Shallya because we just want more Freddys to play seems foolish
I personally think the obsession that the thread had for high martial characters is a little weird, an elector count is more than just a general, Karola could be a wonderful economic and diplomatic focus elector count that turns Ostland into more than just a weapons factory and ensures the deals we make as Freddy gets passed down through the generations (in fact it's the 3rd generation that always breaks the pacts with elves according to the eonir so maybe that diplo focus could be important) The heard has no dearth of Great generals and Martial Heroes, it, however, does have a lack of people in stewardship and diplomacy, Karola fills a gap in our competency as a region and giving her to Shallya because we just want more Freddys to play seems foolish
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Either way, the Karola thing has already come up and been discussed, there's no need to retread the argument.
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Yeah. Though...
I can't help but say this.
It occurs to me that the QM is kind of perversely incentivized NOT to give Karola character development (which kind of requires screen time) if every time she's mentioned on screen there are people vocally insisting that she's utterly unworthy and needs to be disinherited ASAP for being violence-shy at the age of, like, ten or so.
I for one am interested in how she develops over time and in withholding any prejudicial judgment accordingly.
I can't help but say this.
It occurs to me that the QM is kind of perversely incentivized NOT to give Karola character development (which kind of requires screen time) if every time she's mentioned on screen there are people vocally insisting that she's utterly unworthy and needs to be disinherited ASAP for being violence-shy at the age of, like, ten or so.
I for one am interested in how she develops over time and in withholding any prejudicial judgment accordingly.
When Frederick became Elector Count his piety was so low players were worried he'd fall to chaos. Now his son is High Priest of a cult, and it feels like Frederick is one of the 5 most famous sigmarite's in the world.
If we need to take the reigns with Karola, we'll make it work.
If we need to take the reigns with Karola, we'll make it work.
I'd never really considered myself incentivized one way or the other aside from my own personal energy levels, for the most part, when it comes down to it. As I mentioned before, those are things I desperately wish I did have the energy to write. There are lots of scenes I'd like to write for the whole Herd, truly. Interactions with each other positive and negative, scenes like Ori overhears some other noble children making fun of Karola and gathering up all the younger Herd - Tasha included - to come down on them as a sack of bricks without going for parents. Visiting the temples. Earnest conversations between child and parent, and Magnus and Sabine with Frederick and Natasha about Karola and the future. Karola and Ori wandering around, doing things in the castle. Frederick the younger dealing with his own mental daemons about his namesake and the weight that puts on him more than anyone else in the family - he feels. And so on.
It's just...it's a mountain of stuff that I don't necessarily have the energy for. Doesn't mean it's not sitting there, burning like a coal in the back of my head.
Not sure why I'd be incentivized, perversely or otherwise for what not and all that? Then again, I'm tired, and tomorrow I will have achieved a new decade in life and my body will turn to piles of dust. So maybe my brain is just going ahead of the rest of me.
It's just...it's a mountain of stuff that I don't necessarily have the energy for. Doesn't mean it's not sitting there, burning like a coal in the back of my head.
Not sure why I'd be incentivized, perversely or otherwise for what not and all that? Then again, I'm tired, and tomorrow I will have achieved a new decade in life and my body will turn to piles of dust. So maybe my brain is just going ahead of the rest of me.
Happy Birthday man. Don't let a number distract you from the joys present in your life and the people you share them with.
And hey, it is a day worth celebrating, as a way to spit in the eye of eternity and tally down that you are still here despite every rock and swerve in the road of life.
And hey, it is a day worth celebrating, as a way to spit in the eye of eternity and tally down that you are still here despite every rock and swerve in the road of life.
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I think it's also premature we've already lost one child, we could easily lose some if not all of the herd. Hopefully not, but. The beast men are not inclined for mercy. Heck we had druchi in the castle before the naval assault if they had gone after a softer target. If we had been more unlucky? If we didn't have the Grey wizards guarding our family?
Karola might not live, heck she might be drastically changed by what happens next. Frederick sure was, magnus our son magnus sure has. It is too early to say either way.
Karola might not live, heck she might be drastically changed by what happens next. Frederick sure was, magnus our son magnus sure has. It is too early to say either way.
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Damn, I would love doing the Horse ones, especially about they going around and trying to shop for horses for each purpose:
"Anna what would be the most effective way to use Dash Canons"
"Dash Canons where developed with speed and relocability in mind, with the special purpose of allowing for flanking maneuvers with criss-crossing lines of fire for maximum casualties and confusion for the enemies"
"So, shock and awe?"
"Yes, by colloquial terms "shock and awe"
"So you concur that the horses necessary for this endeavour don't need to be hardy, just fast and endurable?
"Yes, that would be optimal, the ability to outflank the enemies with mobile artillery would be optimal"
Arthur stopped to think and a certain shadow passed his eyes, because there was just one option for the horses in this case.
"Senhild, my love pass that studbook"
Senhild looked at him with worry in her eyes, she had to be sure.
"You mean the Araby one?"
"Yes, the Araby one"
"Anna what would be the most effective way to use Dash Canons"
"Dash Canons where developed with speed and relocability in mind, with the special purpose of allowing for flanking maneuvers with criss-crossing lines of fire for maximum casualties and confusion for the enemies"
"So, shock and awe?"
"Yes, by colloquial terms "shock and awe"
"So you concur that the horses necessary for this endeavour don't need to be hardy, just fast and endurable?
"Yes, that would be optimal, the ability to outflank the enemies with mobile artillery would be optimal"
Arthur stopped to think and a certain shadow passed his eyes, because there was just one option for the horses in this case.
"Senhild, my love pass that studbook"
Senhild looked at him with worry in her eyes, she had to be sure.
"You mean the Araby one?"
"Yes, the Araby one"
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Happy 30th
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Congratulations on living to be 30, even today not everyone makes it that far. It's your life, make of it what you will. Thank you for all you've already done on this site if nowhere else.
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Happy Birthday @torroar
I know the pain that is the unending march of time as it wears down upon you intimately as well, but I hope you can at least find some solace in the day itself, and the knowledge that the people here genuinely do care about your well being. Thank you as always for all your hard work.
I know the pain that is the unending march of time as it wears down upon you intimately as well, but I hope you can at least find some solace in the day itself, and the knowledge that the people here genuinely do care about your well being. Thank you as always for all your hard work.
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