Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
The carnage determined by the best reckoning of the rangers was near incalculable. It was impossible to try and track just how many goblins, snotlings, and squigs were thrown into the massive explosive path set up by the dwarfs for years in the making. For all that they were umgi devices, they worked precisely as advertised, and that was what the rangers had cared about more than anything even with engineers tutting behind them all the while. Layer after layer, line after line, the dwarfs had first built an utterly massive stockpile and then laid it down as comprehensively and thoroughly as was possible. Which, for dwarfs, was rather significant. Not to the point that the mines would set each other off if they were set off at all, but neither so spread out that one could simply carefully advance their way through. Then again, they had also been preparing for greenskins, and so had laid down the boomdiscs knowing it was highly unlikely they would be trying anything so dexterous in the first place.

What was known, was that the greenskins pushed, and the greenskins died, and the greenskins made progress.
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Did the dwarfs not adjust some of the boomdiscs to not go off after unless a certain amount of weight pressed on it first?

After all, they had to think the greenskins would send out the goblins and other lighter greenskins first to clear out the mines, only to then step on ones that would only go off after at least a full grown orc stepped on it.
 
tri2 said:
really? must have missed that, which update did it appear in?
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In the fight against the druchii at Saltaken, in Spikes, Horns, and Stone 4
torroar said:
Though the Vapor Tanks are both doing their best to match them. Even from up here, you can see the absolutely ruinous drive that Little Guvuar has managed. It is absolutely drenched in gore, and Anna atop it just as much, the continually functioning deathspinner modification endlessly spinning thanks to its connection to the vapor engine, taking what is normally a short temporary slaughter into a continual one. It cuts, it slashes, it tears, it grinds.
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torroar said:
Meanwhile she watches, she waits, and she is coated in crimson from head to toe. An expected outcome from standing atop the vapor tank equipped with a deathspinner device. The Druchii unfortunate enough to be caught up within its grasp are reduced not to pulp, not mashed like a vegetable, but are torn apart into slurry. To chum, if one were to consider a nautical reference for the dissolution of Druchii as their bodies are struck by the merciless grinding prowess of Little Guvuar. It should be horrifying, to be covered in such viscera, such thick layers of emulsified muscle fiber and powdered bone with thick hardening soup of blood.
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Zedman7054 said:
A fair point. But to counter, the deamon invasion was not only during the height of the Golden age, they still had all of the Ancestor Gods together, and the Elf-Dwarf war was a war taking place over the continent meaning even with all of their power, they still had to distribute their forces and care about their losses. Even the Times of Woe were more simultaneous invasions of Karaks than any single concentrated attack.

This is a single, giant, Orc warhammer, aimed at the toughest Dwarf plate in the world. If there was no chance the Orcs could win, that the Dawi could lose, then there would be no reason for concern from any of the allied characters.

But Thorgrim has spent years preparing Everpeak for this attack. Has broken tradition multiple times, including asking the Empire for help, even allowing a vampire to come into Everpeak to help. Averland has been our best weapons buyer for years, almost a decade preparing for this attack in case it was aimed at Averland. Half the Provinces have sent their entire armies to help out with this fight.

This is WAAGH compared to Asavar Kul's Everchosen horde, which threatened the world. It been stated that the number of Orks is so innumerable that Province level of casualties have been taken without the batting of an eye or a visible dip in the proverbial bucket of water.

If there was no chance the Orcs could win, why bother showing Magnus the Pius worry? Why show Thorgrim all but visibly nervous? Why show the fight at all?

There's a chance. There's a chance that these Orcs will accomplish what nobody else has ever done. Yes the Skaven were able to attack from the Underways, but the Dwarfs were able to hold. Yes the Elves and Dwarves clashed in one of the most powerful clashes in the world, but they were equal peers at the time. Yes innumerable hordes of Deamons laid seige to all the world, but even lesser Karaks survived that.

This is an attack made solely for taking Everpeak. They will come closer than any before it, and they still might succeed.
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There's consequences other than the ever peak falling. It could be cut off due to ridiculous quantities of orks, which would be very bad, given it's the Center of dwarves society, and as such the dwarves must fight and not just use the ridiculously good defences. Because they must fight, they might lose, which would kill hundreds of greybeards, possibly the high king, and (unlikely as it would be), possibly have the throne of power fall into orkish hands.

If the dwarves hunkered down and properly defended the bunker that is Karaz A Karak, victory is all but guaranteed. Simultaneously, said victory would cost much of dwarves society, cutting them off possibly for years, or worse, the waagh of immeasurable size could ravage most of the empire. Last time a major waaagh came in (grom the paunch), he rampaged all the way to altdorf.

Ever peak is the best defensive location to break these orks, and therefore people are fighting there
 
Fouredged Sword said:
Yes, but that is happening at the same time as this and so the Dawi won't hear about it until this is long over.
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but if they win and learn about the modification after? the orcs are gonna be in for a very bad time when all their chaffs no longer work anymore, and maybe even a underground variant meant for dwarven carved mining tunnels so they can dive straight in and clear entire tunnels of threats
 
It's worth noting as well that boomdisks aren't the only invention of Ostland that the dwarfs got permission to replicate. They've also been building deathspinners and doomspheres

torroar said:
"SVEN HASSELFRIESIAN?!"



For it was the young Radical who had been ascending in importance and regard that had gained the ire of so many longbeards. It was he who had pioneered usage of the brand-new alcoholic vapor engine, in blatant disregard for all testing procedures and intellectual ownership, quite obviously based upon the same umgak creation that the human engineer Anna von Hohenzollern had created. In fact, it was the same device, with some minor dwarf touches here and there, some had claimed, right up until Sven produced a letter stamped and signed by the woman herself that proclaimed that he had free rights for usage and creation of the engine. There were even some particularly wild rumors that the engine was originally of dwarf design, then had been somehow stolen, and was only now being re-gifted under the cloak of umgak engineering practices. After all, it was not a proper Dwarf Engineer's Guild product, and so could not be held to the same exact standards. Or at least, that was the young Sven's argument.



Then he had begun hooking them up to the Hohenzollern 'Death Spinners' and being allowed to shove them into the tunnels, despite all the concerns about safety and testing, with another letter giving permission from Anna von Hohenzollern.



Then he had publicly reproduced the utterly insane 'Doomspheres', whose inherently unstable design greatly unsettled many of the Guild, with yet more permission from the young Hohenzollern.
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Gobbos gonna have a bad time
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
The other concern is just how long it takes the Dawi to win. Orc Whaaas have sieged Dawi Karaks for decades to centuries. The dwarves are perfectly fine battening down the hatches and hiding until the greenskins can be picked off. The Humans stuck with them are less pleased about the prospect of decades being stuck in a dwarven hold.
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Look at the brightside. These orcs are efficient and cunning enough that they should be streamlining the siege to kill them all in a timely manner. How thoughtful of them!
 
Polar Potato said:
ikit claw somehow mades a time machine that blasts him back in time, the launches a dozen Ratnukes just to mess with the green skins and show the Dwarfs that he is the 'bestest Yes! Yes!'
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There's no need for a time machine, Ikit Claw has been around since at least the beginning of the Second Skaven Civil War in 1850 IC, some 500 years ago. Unless he died to some unforeseen circumstances he should be alive and well right about now.
 
Man, I know that was the meatshields and lesser enemies destroyed. Still I glad that goblins count here.

Because those guys are small enough, smart(ish) enough and cruel enough to find ways around when/if the orcs damage parts of the defenses.


...or just do crazy enough stuff like being throw by the giants (wing gear or not).

Xxxx

Still I hope that the reason we did not hear about wizards throwing spells on those helicopters was because they decided to invest their time in big spells^^.
 
MightbeaMimic said:
Honestly what we need to develop is some sort of shrapnel shell. We have grapeshot already, now how about grapeshot that works at roundshot range
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The next big development after grapeshot is canister. It's a natural outgrowth of grapeshot. You just build a fall away shell to carry your grapeshot in so you can load it like a regular canon round. The shell is a thin wood or metal cylinder split in half through the middle, sometimes banded with bands that don't fit into the barrel so they slide off when it is pushed in. It slides into the barrel and simply falls away as soon as the powder pushes it back out again leaving the grapeshot to wreck havoc. What ends up happening is that the shell prevents the grapeshot balls from bouncing around inside the cannon as it is fired and so they all leave the cannon along a much tighter arc. Grapeshot could see shot in basically a 90 degree arc, more dense in the center, sure, but with wild shot bouncing in all directions as it leaves the barrel. Canister concentrated that same amount of shot into maybe 10 degrees.

The concentration of the shot into a focused arc means it maintains density over much further ranges and it becomes feasible to use such a weapon with things you don't want to hit in your forward arc. Grapeshot punished anyone who foolishly tried to charge cannons who saw them coming but couldn't be used with ANYTHING friendly between the enemy and the cannon. Canister turned that capability into something cannons could apply at distance so long as infantry gave them a clean line of fire.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
Bouncing betties are less warcrimy and poisoning orcs seems unwise.

The mine goes off, but a fuse has a slight delay second pop that kicks a fragmenting explosive into the air to explode.
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abominable said:
I really dont trust orcs and chemical weapons. I feel like it's just as likely to buff them as it is to kill them.

Although tbf i might just be biased because of the whole squigs/orc-warpstone combo.
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a wasteful idea, but flour mines, mines that spread flour clouds to cause a massive flour explosion
 
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