I wonder how Kislevites view the Thundertusk culturally since it naturally produces frost and ice and such.

Is it kinda viewed like Frostfiends? Physical representations of the Land/Ice Magic? After all, there is lots of theories that Ice Magic is primordial magic from age of world before Old Ones arrived and altered world, when it was an ice ball and all.
 
*COUGH*

Turn 38 Rumor Mill

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Why thank you for proving me wrong, guess i must have misread. :p


On another note, holy hell Alexandra's statsheet has become stacked, she might actually have a good chance at surviving this whole shebang with all her griblies intact, glad she's done with her project (or at least her endless obsession with it) as it's clearly been good for her, wonder if through enough fucked up events she might be considered for the next tsarina, would she even want the position though?
 
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Alexandra is a considerable physical and magical threat, yes. Riding atop РокМороз only magnifies her combat threat, because as it turns out they synergize incredibly well given what they both are. I really don't want to bother reposting the entire wiki page for the Thundertusk, but I'll post a link. Anyone who cares to can click it and read about them, and then it shouldn't be difficult to consider how Ice Magic and Thundertusks synergize.

warhammerfantasy.fandom.com

Thundertusk

"Ogres!' the Dwarfs cried, and the crock of Thunderers and cannon fire blasted into that stormy night. Then something huge loomed out of the snow, a primordial beast that had walked the frozen earth before the sun had any warmth. Bull-like, it charged the cliff-face in which the watchpost was...
 
How screwed up will the economy of the Old World become during the time the Beast-tide hits?

The Empire of Man -
-- Nordland: locked out of sea trade due to Black Arks in 2344 IC
-- Ostland: locked out of sea trade due to Black Arks in 2344 IC
-- Westerland: Trade fleet went awol, navy picking up the dropped security in 2344 IC
-- Moot: in-land
-- Hochland: in-land
-- Ostermark: in-land
-- Stirland: in-land
-- Talabecland: in-land
-- Middenland: in-land
-- Reikland: Border with Brettonia, but if the beast-tide strikes that's a risky trade route.
-- Wissenland: Border, the River of Echoes tunnel linking them up to Tilea is not fully excavated still?
-- Averland: Border, Border Princes population hiding in Barak Varr

Karaz Ankor - BUSY, skaven hitting nearly all holds, greenskins sieging Karaz-a-Karak. Trade is unlikely in 2344 IC with the Karaz Ankor.

Tilea: Recovering from the rodent problem, and they have turned their eyes seemingly into internal intrigues.
Estalia: ???
Bretonnia: they got the Mousillon problem to handle.

Araby: Independants

Kislev: ON FIRE/ Nothing is wrong, everything is fine, borders are shut, but everything is fine.

If the Empire is cut off from trade for a year or two, the Old World might face a economic crisis? Tilea and Estalia have the merchant princes, Bretonnia and Araby might be decent trade partners, but can they both handle the Empire of Man's demand and opportunity?

Massive devaluation in coinage? Or inflation issues?
 
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The Karaz Ankor should be mostly fine- being sieged out in their holds has basically been a national pastime for them ever since the Age of Woes first hit, so they're used to it- and the Everpeak should, in theory, be fine, especially considering a quasi-majority of the South has moved over to aid alongside Big Magnus himself.

The Empire has been through worse or at the minimum crisis comparable to the Beast Tide- the First of the Skaven Wars under Mandred that he managed to annihilate and fix the Empire in the aftermath is probably gonna be comparable in devastation- so while trade might be mostly fucked during the Beast Tide itself, should bounce back if like everyone's mostly competent seeing as Mandred managed it after the Skaven War and will definitely bounce back so long as BIg Magnus lives.

Kislev, as mentioned by torroar himself, should be 'fine' once they get out since Kattarin's reforms regarding the Dolgan- not like, pre-civil war status, probably- but still like not economic collapse or something. Brettonia's been dealing with Mousillon since the latter started existing- while Tilea should be fine seeing as they don't have anything major on their plate.
 
Inventory: Poisons Kit [Manbane Toxin, Blackroot Toxin, Nightshade Deliriant, Madman's Cap, 'Black Ale'], 2 Stiletto Thigh Holsters, 4 Stiletto Torso Holsters, 1 Stiletto Hair Holster, 1 Stiletto Wrist Holster, Pistol Thigh Holster, Pistol Back Holster, Concealed Ammo/Powder Bag, Frostfiend Fang Necklace

GASP. Alexandra possesses alcohol that we don't! Quick, we must acquire sa--- nnngghh aaahhh rrrrgggghhh...

Apologies, force of habit.
 
It's uh, it's not an actual ale.

It's a poison that specifically activates in drinks above a certain threshold of alcoholic content, but is otherwise inert.

Because it's in the poison list.

It's a poison.
 
It's uh, it's not an actual ale.

It's a poison that specifically activates in drinks above a certain threshold of alcoholic content, but is otherwise inert.

Because it's in the poison list.

It's a poison.

Lol i know. Takes alcohol poisoning to a whole new level. :V

Btw is Todbringer still alive?
 
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He bowed out of public in shame, so doubt we'd know one way or another. Nor does it matter I think since not in political scene anymore.

Pity. Kinda liked him. Dude was putting up the facade of a typical, gungho, "Ive Fought Mudcrabs Tougher than You" Ulrican Middenlander. But actually seemed more of the quiet type.

He's certainly more likable than Gunthar. :V
 
Alexandra von Hohenzollern actually covered that before her younger sisters. The entire Tomb of Shoika was literally a Tomb Raider-esque adventure. Two competing archaeological parties, one a small party and one with hundreds of mercenaries, strange creatures and beings, wild and esoteric puzzles, seeing spooky ice spirits - literal frozen moments of time and history - that were trapped/made to animate and act out important and grand moments from Shoika's life and that of her mother Miska the Slaughterer and their tribe, cataloguing the journey into Kislev and their distancing from the rest of the Chaos tribes of the Eastern Steppes. Plus having to fight the Guardians of the Tomb, other frozen spirit entities+golem creatures of ice and metal. Finally, there was a grand mega cinematic moment where she claimed Shoika's Sapphire, the last of the Bohka merc crew arrived with their own Ice Witch, and the Thundertusk itself was awakened from where it had slumbered all this time, culminating in a running battle against the remaining Bohka mercenaries, the raging spirits of the Tomb, and the Thundertusk itself, all while fleeing from the Tomb and down the mountainside into the hidden valley amidst a massive avalanche on a conjured heavy platform of ice.

EDIT: Extending further, as noted in the Rumor Mill post I refound and reposted below, by her temporarily taming the beast and using it against a bunch of greenskins.



A Song of Ice And Dust: No one is quite sure what exactly happened, and those that have survived do not speak much of it at the moment. But there are as of yet some things still known. Two separate parties of both Bohka and Romanov colors were sighted practically sprinting out of the Eastern Oblast towards the mountains to the east, with the latter party smaller and just barely in the lead of their counterparts. Both ascended into the frozen peaks, and were not seen for several weeks. Then, a series of avalanches were felt for many miles around, both within the mountains themselves and unto the plains as well. At one point, hunters report hearing the horrifying and bowels-emptying noise of some great beast scream out through the valleys and ring along the mountainsides. Then, striding out of the mountains, came some sort of creature of utter destruction and frozen might that battered its way down into the eastern forest to fall upon a goblin warband that was flanking the Grand Army. It was the one atop it, however, who was truly shocking. Alexandra von Hohenzollern, a known agent of the Tzarina, rode atop the beast, letting loose great blasts of ice shards and crafting cutting sheets of ice to funnel the greenskins directly into the mouth of her erstwhile mount. Only once the battle at the time was done and the beast had feasted on simply egregious amounts of meat from the fallen did it turn away, and trundled back into the mountains in an obscuring cloud of snow and dust. Later, in the coming weeks, did three more come back down from the mountains, a small party of Romanov mercenaries – a dwarf Slayer, a wandering Ulrican priest, and of all things an elf of Laurelorn - who had been thought dead along with the rest of their archaeological excursion of whom Alexandra von Hohenzollern was part. Regardless of what occurred in those mountains, the truth is known. Battered, bloodied, but unbroken, did her servant present to Kattarin the Bloody – who had been commanding the battle – a great artifact of the past yet returned to the hands of Kislev: Shoika's Sapphire, a great talisman of power and symbol of authority crafted in the days of the first Khan-Queens, whose deeds are carved into the very foundation of the nation itself. The gleaming jewel of purest eternal ice and malice was made by the daughter of the Slaughterer herself, who sought to eclipse the accomplishments of her mother in doing so. Now, what was held in the hands of the first Tzarina of all Kislev has fallen into the hands of the Romanovs, returned from history to the present. A second expedition is already being readied to return to the rediscovered Tomb of Shoika, where it had been constructed such that the ancient ruler could forever gaze out upon the land which she had ruled.



God, I wish we could clone you or something, torroar, so we could get this Kislev quest too.

Quick, someone train a Chat AI with all torroar's stuff. 😜

Huh. Wonder if we've seen any of those other mercs (the slayer, the Ulrican, and the Laurelorn elf) anywhere else and haven't realized it.
 
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That's the thing, though. We dont know how he is right now. Only that hes retired.
Well there hasnt been any news recently about the Todbringers, and the news that have been pertaining to them in my memory generally have them chilling in Carroburg. So I choose to believe Todbringer is dealing with his depression and is recovering.
 
No worries.

To clarify, Boris Bohka's big thing was reviving the Cult of Ursun to a place of prominence in Kislev almost two hundred years after the end of the Great War Against Chaos (188 years to be precise). Because in the interim, Kislev had basically lain fallow, and explicitly had not recovered pretty much at all since then. Everything about them, religiously, culturally, militarily, financially, etc. had stagnated in the post-GWAC state. He immediately, upon taking the throne, explicitly pissed off the old guard at court by quote: "nearly emptied the treasuries to hire mercenaries to re-train the Kislevite army, rebuilding bridges, roads, and towns and importing black powder and engineers from the Empire. Though it almost bankrupted his family (and several other noble families in the bargain)" endquote. And also relentlessly attacking and clearing up the goblins, beastmen, trolls, and other such creatures which had been allowed to infest Kislev after 188 years of not really being effectively dealt with. But also the major revival of the Cult of Ursun, as Kislev's Pantheon had also been half-dead/overtaken by outsider Gods for a long while.

Kattarin is a Romanov, the Dynasty before the Bohka took control, and she's...sort of done his thing, but way early, and perhaps not as well-received as Boris was, and to greater extremes in certain places (a lot of places). So...yeah. Cults revived, black powder imported, bankrupting multiple treasuries, rebuilding infrastructure and then some, engineers hired, monsters pushed out of the borders for the most part (at least until very, this turn recently). Very popular with the people, not so much the nobility.

Oh, also, that whole thing where Ursun is the only thing making Winter go away in Kislev is absolutely not canon, because Ursun is a Gospodar God brought over from the Eastern Steppes, and no the Ungols/Roppsmen/Dolgan/Etc. did not somehow suffer under INFINITE MEGA WINTER the THOUSAND PLUS YEARS BEFORE THE GOSPODARS ARRIVED because they didn't miraculously have a big ol' bear God to roar the Winter away. That's just...quite silly. So that's another Total War Warhammer thing which is just flat out nope.
 
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Oh, also, that whole thing where Ursun is the only thing making Winter go away in Kislev is absolutely not canon, because Ursun is a Gospodar God brought over from the Eastern Steppes, and no the Ungols/Roppsmen/Dolgan/Etc. did not somehow suffer under INFINITE MEGA WINTER the THOUSAND PLUS YEARS BEFORE THE GOSPODARS ARRIVED because they didn't miraculously have a big ol' bear God to roar the Winter away. That's just...quite silly. So that's another Total War Warhammer thing which is just flat out nope.

Truly it is actually just genuinely impressive how CA can pop off so hard with things like writing Grand Cathay practically from the ground up, and (at least seemingly for now) do the poor, long abused Chorfs some justice, then turn around and make something like the story of the Realms of Chaos campaign in the same damn game. Why does his roar shatter reality, he's a neat but tiny bear god nerd for fantasy not!Russia bro.
 
It really shows the damage that the GWAC did to Kislev that it took so long for the country to finally get restored by present canon, or just how much Neferata wanted a turn Kat into a vampire to fuck up country/her own poor leadership for the entire hundred and half years or so.

Her father dying earlier during battle at gates of Pragg ironically saved her life from being used as a tool by her, didn't give Neferata's people time to influence and turn her, and allowed her to be in a position to actually start restoring Kislev rather than have it stagnate. Came with own can of worms we are now experiencing, but honestly... I'd argue Kislev still better off than it canonically was.
 
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No worries.

To clarify, Boris Bohka's big thing was reviving the Cult of Ursun to a place of prominence in Kislev almost two hundred years after the end of the Great War Against Chaos (188 years to be precise). Because in the interim, Kislev had basically lain fallow, and explicitly had not recovered pretty much at all since then. Everything about them, religiously, culturally, militarily, financially, etc. had stagnated in the post-GWAC state. He immediately, upon taking the throne, explicitly pissed off the old guard at court by quote: "nearly emptied the treasuries to hire mercenaries to re-train the Kislevite army, rebuilding bridges, roads, and towns and importing black powder and engineers from the Empire. Though it almost bankrupted his family (and several other noble families in the bargain)" endquote. And also relentlessly attacking and clearing up the goblins, beastmen, trolls, and other such creatures which had been allowed to infest Kislev after 188 years of not really being effectively dealt with. But also the major revival of the Cult of Ursun, as Kislev's Pantheon had also been half-dead/overtaken by outsider Gods for a long while.

Kattarin is a Romanov, the Dynasty before the Bohka took control, and she's...sort of done his thing, but way early, and perhaps not as well-received as Boris was, and to greater extremes in certain places (a lot of places). So...yeah. Cults revived, black powder imported, bankrupting multiple treasuries, rebuilding infrastructure and then some, engineers hired, monsters pushed out of the borders for the most part (at least until very, this turn recently). Very popular with the people, not so much the nobility.

Oh, also, that whole thing where Ursun is the only thing making Winter go away in Kislev is absolutely not canon, because Ursun is a Gospodar God brought over from the Eastern Steppes, and no the Ungols/Roppsmen/Dolgan/Etc. did not somehow suffer under INFINITE MEGA WINTER the THOUSAND PLUS YEARS BEFORE THE GOSPODARS ARRIVED because they didn't miraculously have a big ol' bear God to roar the Winter away. That's just...quite silly. So that's another Total War Warhammer thing which is just flat out nope.

You could rewrite it as Katarin telling Winter to Fuck Off to explain how Spring and Summer usually arrives in Kislev then. You're QM after all. :V
 
I assume Ursun didn't do the end of Winter thing before he made the journey. Alternatively he did it for the Gospodars in the Steppes and now is just doing it for them in Kislev, too.
 
I wonder if we´ll ever have an epic siege in quest? Because, so far at least, our sieges were basically not really sieges and more just battles with walls thrown in.

Not that I am complaining or criticising those, I just wonder how mechanically a siege that lasts one or even multiple years would look like, as was often enough the case historically. Since we´d be pretty much under siege for multiple turns
 
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