Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Czes said:
This probably being the most unlikely scenario. Think about it. The Cult of Manaan just received a massive boom in influence, especially within the city, called the fleet to fight of the Druchii and then finds out that this guy took the ships on a joyride.

Sorry, he made himself absolutely no friends. No matter who his target is going to be, his return to Marienburg is not going to be a nice one. I agree with your points on Ulthuan (unless he suffers from some mental damage), but the situation is not looking good for him. If he just wanted prestige, then he would have followed the Cult. That he didn't do so, is already not very promising in regards to his intelligence.

Furthermore, let's say he gets a successful raid. Even on the Druchii if you want. Using the Empires weakness to aggrandize himself? Knowingly disrespecting the Cult of Manaan and possibly Manaan himself? I wouldn't be surprised if Magnus and The High Priest (forgot her name) judged him personally upon his return.

Which brings us to the last part. Manaan. He's a fickle god, but he has absolute authority over the sea. I could very well see him sending Otto to Ulthuan to make a fool out of himself. Could happen, could not.
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Otto Steinroth took the Merchant Marine of Marienburg on a profitable business venture instead of a military campaign that risked the loss of business for Marienburg to benefit a rival, that is the story that will be sold in the quiet of the night at bars.

The Cult of Manann is significant, but there is going to be human greed influencing opinions. Not like what Otto did was illegal, he moved faster than the Cult of Manann to snatch the free ships up, and the people on those ships voluntarily participated in the quest for loot, and glory. How could anyone Otto have taken possibly known, including Otto himself about any real need for those ships? Otto Steinroth is a true son of Marienburg, to punish him for the actions that Marienburg prides itself on individuality, opportunity, equality, is to fight against Marienburg's lawyers and bankers.
 
I guess that's a good way to spin it as long as it's actually a profitable venture. Be it military or mercantile. Though assuming that, he still won't have a chance at getting high up outside of Marienburg or even the support from outside players. Elector Counts are chosen by other Electors when there's no clear line or through the Emperor hashing things out. Don't think he can get either.

Support from within Marienburg though is possible. At least to some degree. I believe the reach of the Cult is larger than you give it credit for and it's exactly because they are merchants that they respect Manaan, but there will obviously be those that simply won't care.
 
Didn't Otto get his ships blessed not by Mannan, but by Stromfels?
Might just be my brain saying this, though, (Might not have read this anywhere.)
There's a chance that Otto is actually attacking the dwarven fleet that was supposed to join up with us. (Through payment from the druchi or just general idiocy.) I honestly don't know what the guy is up to, and this all might just be speculation.
 
Bond674 said:
Didn't Otto get his ships blessed not by Mannan, but by Stromfels?
Might just be my brain saying this, though, (Might not have read this anywhere.)
There's a chance that Otto is actually attacking the dwarven fleet that was supposed to join up with us. (Through payment from the druchi or just general idiocy.) I honestly don't know what the guy is up to, and this all might just be speculation.
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... Do you realize how suicidal that would be? No. He probably wouldn't go attack Barak Varr's navy.
I'm not even talking about how dangerous it would be.
Marienburg would feel the wrath of the dawi as well as it would have the Asur.

Pirate king would lose his stuff in the banks for no gain.(As it wouldn't be a raid)
 
Bond674 said:
There's a chance that Otto is actually attacking the dwarven fleet that was supposed to join up with us.
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That's certainly a possibility I hadn't considered and damn if it wouldn't lead to all kinds of grudges and discontent among the Dwarfs of Marienburg abd Barak Varr.

It could possibly lead to a similar scenario to a potential Ulthuan raid and probably be just as suicidal, but canon him did do the Ulthuan raid, so who knows. It's more unlikely though imo. Next to no prestige and less wealth. He would have to hit his head against a wall or dedicate himself to Stromfels.
torroar said:
"He's an opportunist. Works with anyone. Anything. Latest intel from the Eshin cache through Kaufmann was that he was in contact with Clan Mors, Druchii, all sorts of things. The city's beloved nautical adventuring hero is the worst sort of mercenary."

"And he's taken their fleet?" Countess Krieglitz shakes her head. "We border no oceans in Stirland, save those of the dead, but even I know that that is quite a few ships."
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Didn't say anything about Stromfels, but it doesn't sound good either way. I think the raid on Naggaroth is out.

At least less likely then one on Ulthuan.
 
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Czes said:
It could possibly lead to a similar scenario to a potential Ulthuan raid and probably be just as suicidal, but canon him did do the Ulthuan raid, so who knows. It's more unlikely though imo. Next to no prestige and less wealth. He would have to hit his head against a wall or dedicate himself to Stromfels.
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Attacking the Navy of Barak Varr isn't just going to lead to a raid though. It'll lead to a purge.
Dawi for all their grumpy orneryness are the ones that ERASED the elves from the old world.
I'm not sure you understand how serious this is.
This is going to be interfering with a race wide DEBT(Karak Ungor), an OATH( Defend Fredrick), and a GRUDGE(ELGI).
All while being TRAITORS.

Things will be way worse than canon for Marienburg.
Way way worse.
Also the large dwarf presence in the city will not help things.
The Manaan priest hood will also not be giving their support.
So its Banks, Pirate, and Merchant families vs ANGRY DAWI(And friends)
 
I wonder if we can't get a major loan from the Cult of Manann to help rebuild city when event over since they would have a vested interest in its restoration and we don't mind them spreading their influence.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
I'm not sure you understand how serious this is.
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At which point did I not profess that point? Is suicidal not clear enough a word? Mayhaps you should differentiate between Marienburg and Otto. Marienburg will not be razed to the ground as you are clamoring about. Their troops are still fighting to defend the Everpeak.

Seriously...

They will go after him personally and then sink the fleet. Then stop trading with the city and pressure other parts of the Empire to isolate Marienburg.

Dwarfs are not "purging" human cities and they very much understand that Grudges are to be enacted, but in a conscious and thought out manner.
 
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I will be real with you.

I know that Otto raiding Ulthuan being canon does not mean that he is going to do so here.

But i do think that it utterly demolishes any sort of an argument that puts basis on the "he is not stupid enough to do it".

There is sparingly little lore on him but what exists of it does say that he is exactly that stupid. Hell, if he did it now, he might even get away with it for longer than usual, since the sea lord that hunted him now is on wild goose chase.

Now, do i think that is his target this time around? No.
 
Marlin said:
Otto Steinroth took the Merchant Marine of Marienburg on a profitable business venture instead of a military campaign that risked the loss of business for Marienburg to benefit a rival, that is the story that will be sold in the quiet of the night at bars.

The Cult of Manann is significant, but there is going to be human greed influencing opinions. Not like what Otto did was illegal, he moved faster than the Cult of Manann to snatch the free ships up, and the people on those ships voluntarily participated in the quest for loot, and glory. How could anyone Otto have taken possibly known, including Otto himself about any real need for those ships? Otto Steinroth is a true son of Marienburg, to punish him for the actions that Marienburg prides itself on individuality, opportunity, equality, is to fight against Marienburg's lawyers and bankers.
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Otto chose Stromfels over Manann at a time period when the Cult of Manann has a leader that's not easily bribable. Steinroth decided to set out on a journey despite probably knowing that the Black Arks were coming. Steinroth has dealings with the Dark Elves and Skaven per the end of the last Elector's Meet.

I don't buy the argument that 'well, he probably has a brain this quest'- he chose Stromfels over Manann. That's all the argument I need for 'why Otto von Steinroth is probably still an idiot and going to ignore the Treaty of Amity and Commerce for his own personal greed like he did in canon'.

In fact, I'd argue we have more precedent for him having reason for going after Ulthuan, given the conclusion of Marvelous Marienburg where Hagrid and Frederick briefly talk about how the rumours state that Otto's not fond of the elves after an 'incident that embarassed him' and the Elector's Meet prior to this where Evangeline talked about him being in contact with Clan Mors and the Dark Elves and his opportunist tendencies after she finished interrogating Kaufmann.

The argument of 'he decided to attack the Dark Elves for some reason while being in contact with them' is one that does not make sense to me in the slightest, unless Evangeline's just completely wrong for some reason.
 
Otto is probably fucked in the Empire regardless of his target unless Magdha bites it, the cult of Mannan is super important in every aspect of sailoring and she was unamused at him taking all of Marienburg's ships while Mannan's believers lives are on the line in Ostland/Nordland.
 
Czes said:
At which point did I not profess that point? Is suicidal not clear enough a word? Mayhaps you should differentiate between Marienburg and Otto. Marienburg will not be razed to the ground as you are clamoring about. Their troops are still fighting to defend the Everpeak.

Seriously...

They will go after him personally and then sink the fleet. Then stop trading with the city and pressure other parts of the Empire to isolate Marienburg.

Dwarfs are not "purging" human cities and they very much understand that Grudges are to be enacted, but in a conscious and thought out manner.
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I said puge. Not kill the entire city. Every business related to the families (who are also trading with the skaven and vampire fun for added extra fun), every pirate, everyone who associated with the pirate, every bank related to the aformentioned will either give up the dealings they did with them or be subject to both dwarven Ire or imperial displeasure.
The families which control Marienburg already are in a tough spot because of the Skaven plot. Add this to their already full plates as well as pressure from the Trident and they might as well close shop.

This will no longer be considered a simply piracy scheme gone wrong.
Nor will the merchant families be dupes that were played by outside forces.
This will be a planned weakening of the Empire in its time of need.
They have sold out to the Druchii, to the Skaven, to Vampires, and if the beast tide arrives then the VERY FORCES OF CHAOS ITSELF.
Heads will roll. Money, nor treasure, nor will their alliances save them.

Or you know. I might be overblowing things and he comes back with a good haul of stuff and stays popular. 🤷‍♂️
 
There is the Stromfel thing again.
Unsure if this a collective hallucination or not.
I found it, I'm not going mad!!
torroar said:
"Is the High Matriarch herself not coming with reinforcements, and the fleet of Barak Varr itself?" Sterneck doesn't quite wail.

"She was planning on it, until it turned out that the entire Merchant Marine of Marienburg disappeared on some fool venture or another," you grunt. "Last we were hearing, so many ships shouldn't have even considered departing the docks without the blessing of a priest of Manann, but we're hearing that the priesthood was not even consulted save for a few more…bribable sorts."

That makes something in his mind chug to a halt.

"They what?" He says, scandalized as any coast-born and bred man might. "Then how…it's not the Holders of the Shore again, is it? It can't be."

"No, worse…maybe," you raise a hand and waggle it in the air. "There are rumors that the ships were blessed by a God all right, just not the right one."

"Wh-no," he stammers.

"Not the Dark Gods, no," you nod, making him breath a sigh of relief. "Stromfels, instead."

At that, he hisses some air through his teeth and once more cradles his head.
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On the topic of Regina, and Molatok's super soldier plans, if she is at KaK, very likely given that she was send to help the dwarves and Everpeak is as important as it gets for them, I wonder if Magnus or some other people in the army(Volans? Logan?) Will notice something being sus?
 
PeaterDuck12 said:
Hey torroar, has there ever been a roll for this quest that ever made you super excited when it succeed/fail? I just finished my re-read of the whole quest, and there were some moments that I forgot that were pretty exciting/sad to fail. For me it was Roland failing his piety check in Karak Ungor, so utterly sad.
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That was pretty sad.

Hmm..

I was glad that Reinhardt succeeded in getting to Ostland's border, that was good. Sad that Molatok was able to grind Regina's mind back down, even after all those years of work by Evangeline. Glad that Johanna, Genevieve, Agatha, and Alisa survived Nippon. The whole fight with Anpu was pretty exciting. The entire end sequence of the Vampire War was too, while Natasha getting nearly killed in one go was a bit spooky back in the beginning of it.

Oh! Retroactively, Anna suffering the Glacial Surge she did. Alexandra's had mostly nothing but positives, while Anna...yeesh. Plus, the one chance I gave her, the one potential out that could have turned it somewhat around, died down in Tilea. True Love stabbed by skaven assassins to death. That's pretty sad.
 
Freddy coming back from the dead and grtting a nat 100 after being stabbed in the heart by that Skaven assassin.

Anna getting eaten by that fuck off spider and Magnus going full Sigmar on its arse.

Urgdug vs the Tyrant. Just... the entire fight. So savage and nerve rattling.

The sheer nonsense of our Ogres and Greatswords holding against a tide of Beastmen before our fight against Ghorros. But damn did I laigh when that Glade Guard rolled a nat 1, made his grand proclamation and died like a scrub.

Entire Vampire War.
 
torroar said:
Oh! Retroactively, Anna suffering the Glacial Surge she did. Alexandra's had mostly nothing but positives, while Anna...yeesh. Plus, the one chance I gave her, the one potential out that could have turned it somewhat around, died down in Tilea. True Love stabbed by skaven assassins to death. That's pretty sad.
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Now I wish you didn't say anything about what could have been since making me sad too.:cry:
 
Correct. I was referring to Alexandra's Glacial Surge and general Ice Magic trait related rolls.

torroar said:
Trait: Hailstorm Hair - An unexpected glacial surge while performing a dangerous experiment involving ice magic has transformed the very hair of this person white as pure snow...with a faint aura of coldness to her mane to match. This is taken by many as a sign of the Widow's Favor, and the bearer cannot help but agree. (+2 Piety, +1 Diplomacy With Widow Adherents)
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torroar said:
Trait: Master Ice Mage - An master of ice magic, among the best of those touched by the cold weaves of the Ancient Widow. Female Children may be born with Ice Mage trait. (+3 martial, +3 learning, +2 Piety)
Trait: Tzarina's Apprentice - The personal and sole apprentice to Tzarina Kattarin, widely called the most powerful non Ice Hag wielder of Ice Magic in the history of Kislev. The Tzarina, a strong proponent of worshiping the Ancient Widow, is tutoring Alexandra in all things she feels that her apprentice should know. This even includes courtly intrigue. (+2 Martial, +2 Diplomacy, +2 Stewardship, +2 Learning, +2 Piety, +2 Intrigue)
Trait: Extensively Tutored By The Ice Hags - Was personally taught by the ancient and wizened Ice Hags of Kislev for a quite some time. Her knowledge and dedication to the Widow as well as her magical might has increased as a result. (+3 Martial, +3 Piety)
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torroar said:
Trait: Ritual Survivor - The Trial Of The Frostfiend is a sacred and ancient thing to many of the northernmost Ungol tribes, but it has rarely ever been completed, even less so by outsiders successfully. This individual happens to be one of those handful exceptions, and they bear the never-fading scars forever on their person and soul. Whether or not the ritual actually confers blessings of the spirits of Kislev, somehow drained the eldritch power of the Frostfiend into this person's essence, or it is the ancient concoctions of the Ungol Wise Women which are responsible, it is undeniable that something has changed for this person. (+2 Base Martial, +3 Base Piety, -1 Diplomacy
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For me probably the most memorable roll of the quest was when Zacharias attacked Magnus only for the Pious to roll a nat 100 and proceed to just wail on him with Ghal Maraz.

Special mention goes to the Al Ulric also taking on Zacharias with a row of really good rolls allowing him to come ahead one exchange after another, only for the Al Ulric to suddenly get a crit fail that resulted in Zacharias beating him to death with his own arms.
 
For hype moments I remember Zacharias throwing some big magical attack at the Al Ulric and the Al Ulric just contemptuously backhanding it because magical trickery means nothing compared to Ulric's mighty thews.

By contrast Urgdug fight with the Tyrant was one the the most nail biting moments that I was sure Urgdug was gonna lose, but thanks to the Lady he didn't.
 
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