Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Viking_Berzerker said:
I am just going to follow my gut feeling and blame Nagash for why Ghouls are a thing.
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... Usirian the Nehekaran god of death had beetles that acted like ghouls. Ever hungry and mindlessly burrowing into the immortal souls of those who displeased the god of death.
Maybe when Nagash broke the pantheon these things left containment and started infecting the souls of those dying of hunger, giving them mortal hosts?

Eh. Still the Druchii's fault. :lol:
 
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Anyone have any odds on how likely Kislev fleet might get involved if the message to Kat reaches her?

I personally think very unlikely given the civil unrest facing her country right now, but at the same time she does love her sister and came to Ostland's aid before when Zach attack and I am sure she could spin need to send fleet after black arks since Kislev has been raided by dark elves before.
 
Why would the Empire want to annex parts of Kislev anyway? The entire country essentially acts as a state sized set of ablative armor for the Empire. Last time a Storm of Chaos hit it was pushed back without it ever reaching the Empire. Meanwhile Kislev had an entire city basically become part of the Chaos Wastes in Praag.
 
Imperious said:
Why would the Empire want to annex parts of Kislev anyway? The entire country essentially acts as a state sized set of ablative armor for the Empire. Last time a Storm of Chaos hit it was pushed back without it ever reaching the Empire. Meanwhile Kislev had an entire city basically become part of the Chaos Wastes in Praag.
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
We're trying to not repeat the mistakes our our ancestors.
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Shine said:
Given that Kislev's land is part of their Land, I'm not sure if that's actually true, either.
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if they killed Fredrik's daughter or if there is evidence of the enemy colluding with skaven or chaos, this opinion will quickly change to "invade th f"ckers!"


Cause there is no way they defeat Katarina or our daughter without magic support. And even then the chances of chaos/skaven involvement are more than a little bit likely considering she has the hags and the ice witches backing her.
 
I mean… there is such a way, with purely mundane means. It's unlikely, because Katarina is ruthless, competent, magically prodigious and seems to have some measure of divine favour, but both she and our daughter are still quite mortal.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
if they killed Fredrik's daughter or if there is evidence of the enemy colluding with skaven or chaos, this opinion will quickly change to "invade th f"ckers!"


Cause there is no way they defeat Katarina or our daughter without magic support. And even then the chances of chaos/skaven involvement are more than a little bit likely considering she has the hags and the ice witches backing her.
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Even if they did kill Fredrick's daughter why would we want to annex Kislev? We'd presumably just be invading to depose the people responsible. The most prudent thing to do in such a case seems like it'd be to move it up the chain of command to Magnus, since Ostland invading Kislev could swiftly turn into a wider Empire - Kislev war, so the emperor would certainly want to be involved.
 
Especially since Kislev, no matter how predisposed to disliking us, is stuck as the Empire's armor to the north no matter what they want out of it. Yes they may cut trade or diplomatic relations, but they'll always be stuck defending us even if the rulers hate us because not defending themselves means they die. Even Freddy can see that even if he'll hate it.
 
Annatar said:
Especially since Kislev, no matter how predisposed to disliking us, is stuck as the Empire's armor to the north no matter what they want out of it. Yes they may cut trade or diplomatic relations, but they'll always be stuck defending us even if the rulers hate us because not defending themselves means they die. Even Freddy can see that even if he'll hate it.
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Well there is the alternative of swearing themselves to Chaos and turning Kislev into a southern extension of Norsca, which would be a catastrophe for the empire, but even then, though it would likely require an invasion if we are at all capable of it, it would seem a lot more sensible to impose a new, non Chaos worshipping government rather then annex the place.

Though we might want to watch out for Katarin going vamp. It's not stated anywhere in what year did Katarin get the Blood Kiss in canon AFAIK.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Cause there is no way they defeat Katarina or our daughter without magic support.
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The Hag Witches aren't enough? Or spellcasters from among the mercenaries? The Boyars and Ungols are united in shared hostility toward Katarina, and they're the ones not only hiring mercenaries, but getting the support of the local priests, who presumably have their own magic. Katarina has a modern military, our daughter, and Norsca's rejects.
 
Imperious said:
Well there is the alternative of swearing themselves to Chaos and turning Kislev into a southern extension of Norsca, which would be a catastrophe for the empire, but even then, though it would likely require an invasion if we are at all capable of it, it would seem a lot more sensible to impose a new, non Chaos worshipping government rather then annex the place.

Though we might want to watch out for Katarin going vamp. It's not stated anywhere in what year did Katarin get the Blood Kiss in canon AFAIK.
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Time get her some dragon blood elixer. Should keep her calm for a few decades.

Might need to find an ice dragon though.
... Guess we're going to Nagarroth after all.

Though there should be one slumbering in ostermark.
 
torroar said:
Then you've got Crypt Horrors, which are basically super Crypt Ghouls who have consumed a vampire's blood, in a sorta messed up not-quite Blood Kiss. Very few vampires are cool with this, think it's disgusting, idiotic, shameful, etc. But the big power boost is undeniable, and some Strigoi Ghoul Kings are okay with doing it more regularly. It's literally described as breaking every taboo that all other vampires hold to, which is another reason they really don't like Strigoi.
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Huh, maybe they'd resort to Kissing a Dawi, Elf or halfling at some point. Or Ogres. I am extremely fascinated by the idea of what non-human Vampires would be like. Especially Elves, given that Vampirism cuts you off from the gods and the Elven gods are the Elves themselves in many ways.
 
Imperious said:
Though we might want to watch out for Katarin going vamp. It's not stated anywhere in what year did Katarin get the Blood Kiss in canon AFAIK.
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This has been answered already I think. Kat is now aware of Vampires and what they are and is likewise prepared. Quest interpretation is that she didn't really get what they were in the original Timeline If I recall correctly.

also to be clear. Kat is likely not a Vampire, Alex also survived the Vampire War so if anyone would know it would literally be her.
 
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soulcake said:
This has been answered already I think. Kat is now aware of Vampires and what they are and is likewise prepared. Quest interpretation is that she didn't really get what they were in the original Timeline If I recall correctly.

also to be clear. Kat is likely not a Vampire, Alex also survived the Vampire War so if anyone would know it would literally be her.
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I know. I recall Torroar said that Kattarin got from us all sorts of vampire lore we've collected. That she knows what vampires are doesn't guarantee that she won't become one though. Plenty of people who know what vampires are in Warhammer proceed to then try to become one.
 
Shane_357 said:
Huh, maybe they'd resort to Kissing a Dawi, Elf or halfling at some point. Or Ogres. I am extremely fascinated by the idea of what non-human Vampires would be like. Especially Elves, given that Vampirism cuts you off from the gods and the Elven gods are the Elves themselves in many ways.
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I'm not sure that's possible, to be honest. The Elixir of Life, the thing the progenitors drank to warp themselves into vampires, was in its first draft hand made by Nagash for his use only, and in the second adopted by Nefarata and W'Soran for their personal usage as well. It may be that it therefore simply doesn't work on other species, which is why we only ever see once-human vampires.

Of course, I don't really know the deep Vampire Lore, so someone who does is better off to give you a definite answer.

{Edit: Torroar has a response later on that refutes my theory. That's a shame, I liked my theory, but that's the nature of hypotheticals and Deep Warhammer Lore.}

What I am curious of is why the Druchi and Chaos Dwarves do not use necromancy. They seem perfectly fine tossing around Dark Magic and outright diabolism, and it's not like necromancy is some extraordinarily difficult or secret lore, given the general existence and proliferation of human necromancers. You'd think at some point, the agents of both factions would have stolen some samples to refine themselves, if only so to experiment with the concept of mindless and tireless slaves.

(Directly using piteous human magic is both likely below them, and too risky for their tastes. They're not suicidal.)

rmrf said:
Idk man, this part sure seems accurate enough.
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IIRC it's mentioned in EoT that Eldyra becomes a vampire whom Tyrion proceeds to decapitate out of mercy. I don't think there's any other mention of non human vampires in the lore.
 
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Well this is the same universe where Nagash eats a deity, Malekith was right and Chaos suddenly becomes twenty fold as powerful for no apparent reason, so let's ignore it.
 
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