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I'm trying to decide what benefit it brings to the Syndicate to attack an Amarkian colony.

Are they trying to show to their supporters, that it is still business as usual?
Are they trying to goad the Amarkians into a rampage?
Is the local commander just an idiot?

Cause I'm reading that as three cruisers and three escorts just got added to the forces actively hunting the Syndicate. (Guesses on classes, but as it is three named, and then three escorts, assuming the initial trio named are all cruiser/explorer scale. I'm not sure how many Centaurs the Amarkians have, but at least one them is on the hunt now)

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Front page lists Amarkian assets as
- [Local Currently: 2 Riala Explorers, 3 Modern Amarkia Cruisers, 2 Old Amarkia Cruisers, 3 Light Escorts, 3 Heavy Escorts]

So almost half of their home defence fleet is in Orion space looking for blood.

SECOND EDIT: Author has given revised numbers. So it isn't half their fleet - it only a third.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Admiral Gelen Toor has been appointed to head up a task force to look for the suspected perpetrators. It is believed that this was the work of the Orion Syndicate, looking to acquire Amarkian slaves for auction, a task that has thus far proved extremely difficult. The CAS Friec broke orbit around Tales Har earlier today, and will rendezvous with the CAS Hilindia, Odala, and three escorts, including the new Centaur-class CAS Kundaia.
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That right there is a huge combination of combat power, a war fleet looking for someone to fight. Let's hope they find the right targets.
 
Goat said:
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Front page lists Amarkian assets as
- [Local Currently: 2 Riala Explorers, 3 Modern Amarkia Cruisers, 2 Old Amarkia Cruisers, 3 Light Escorts, 3 Heavy Escorts]

So almost half of their home defence fleet is in Orion space looking for blood.
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Oh, I need to update that. It's now 3 Riala, 4 Modern Cruisers, 1 Old Cruiser, 4 Light, 4 Heavy Escorts, 1 Centaur-A. Total of 17 ships and 56 Combat in their fleet.
 
UberJJK said:
They want the Amarkians to indiscriminately attack them, preferably with lots of collateral damage. That will help give the Syndicate the political power needed to drive the current government out of office. That's my take anyway.
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My take is they're idiots and trying to show that they still have teeth.

Well, maybe we should consider bringing in Amarkian forces, you know, as "observers".
 
I'm just gonna say, anyone who's planning to keep a large group of Amarki enslaved had better bring a LOT of stun weapons and sedatives.

That doesn't sound like a winning economic strategy to me.
 
Pheromone conditioning. They just need to keep those captives long enough to apply it. (Anybody know how long that takes?)
 
I mean, it's not impossible that the Syndicate found an Orion Empire Battleship and are looking to take it for a test-drive on the most easily excited Federation member. Sure, the centuries-old Slavemaster-class might need a full refit after spending so long adrift and under bombardment, but it's bigger than anything the Amaraki can throw at it. :p More seriously, stirring that nest causes chaos they can then possibly slip through to make contact with the Cardassians or their subordinate powers.

Bringing in the Amarkians would only result in more 'airlock incidents', since their shoot First Ask Questions Never policy can be rather counterproductive.
 
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It's probably a PR thing. Having a bunch of Amarki shooting their way through an office building to get at suspected Syndicate members makes great propaganda footage, and turns public sympathy against the Federation. It's pretty standard terrorist tactics.

Plus, having an Amarki slave is probably a big deal in the Syndicate, given how few of them there are. So the captured Amarki make good rewards to distribute to promising lieutenants.
 
Vehrec said:
I mean, it's not impossible that the Syndicate found an Orion Empire Battleship and are looking to take it for a test-drive on the most easily excited Federation member. Sure, the centuries-old Slavemaster-class might need a full refit after spending so long adrift and under bombardment, but it's bigger than anything the Amaraki can throw at it. :p

Bringing in the Amarkians would only result in more 'airlock incidents', since their shoot First Ask Questions Never policy can be rather counterproductive.
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You do realize that due to the Amarkian culture, it is likely that they consider sending boarding parties as a viable, if not preferred strategy? I mean, they still use bladed weapons in some fashion, and in a boarding action combat is in close corridors, so they can do so. All that would do is provide one of those relics for Federation R&D.
 
ThoughtMaster said:
You do realize that due to the Amarkian culture, it is likely that they consider sending boarding parties as a viable, if not preferred strategy? I mean, they still use bladed weapons in some fashion, and in a boarding action combat is in close corridors, so they can do so. All that would do is provide one of those relics for Federation R&D.
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I'm pretty sure the blades are more ceremonial than functional at this point. Plus, boarding parties have to reach a ship to be effective, which is hard when battleships can move just as quickly as small boats and are bristling with PD besides. If the Syndicate did manage to get their hands on some functional old Orion tech, it would hurt a lot. Thankfully that's pretty unlikely.
 
Hammer the battleship into submission with beam weapons, then beam your boarding parties aboard. Though I wouldn't put it past the Amarki to have figured out some tricks for getting a boarding party past shields, even if they don't always work.

Also, Amarki 'ceremonial blades' are two-foot short swords from what I remember, and at least a significant fraction of actively spacegoing Amarki keep them sharp. We've seen an Amarki lieutenant on the S'harien kill two men with one in short order.

Goat said:
Pheromone conditioning. They just need to keep those captives long enough to apply it. (Anybody know how long that takes?)
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Thing is, I'm pretty sure that conditioning Amarki doesn't make them safe. From everything I've heard about them to date, if you scramble an Amarki's superego with pheromones, you basically have a prettier, better smelling version of a Klingon.

So sure, they might not attack whoever conditioned them, but good luck stopping them from attacking anyone else.
 
I guess they're gambling that potential bad PR for the attackers is worth the risk of the Amarki going to town. The Amarki can easily bring far more force than the Syndicate can defend against.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Thing is, I'm pretty sure that conditioning Amarki doesn't make them safe. From everything I've heard about them to date, if you scramble an Amarki's superego with pheromones, you basically have a prettier, better smelling version of a Klingon.
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Frankly, I think that's what you have before scrambling them. The Amarki have a lot of similarities with Klingons.
 
Briefvoice said:
As I recall, they had some pretty harsh words to say about the Constellations after we encountered the Cardassians and got a look at their Jalduns. The Amarkians even briefly demanded Starfleet start building their cruiser designs, before the rest of the Council quashed the idea. Gosh, that seems like forever ago and there's still two years until the Renaissance is finished. Really drives home what a long process it is to design and build a new ship class. No wonder it's taking the Klingons and Romulans forever to slouch to war.
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It's good that we started that Connie-B project right then to help quash those concerns, since the Connie-B is superior to the Amarkian Hebrinda. A couple years later, and in the 2311 MWCO report, the status quo got flipped on its head - we asked that the Amarkians stop building Hebrindas to prepare for the Renaissance. How times have changed indeed :)

OneirosTheWriter said:
where a dynamic insertion by Aerocommandos
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Admiral Gelen Toor has been appointed to head up a task force to look for the suspected perpetrators. It is believed that this was the work of the Orion Syndicate, looking to acquire Amarkian slaves for auction, a task that has thus far proved extremely difficult. The CAS Friec broke orbit around Tales Har earlier today, and will rendezvous with the CAS Hilindia, Odala, and three escorts, including the new Centaur-class CAS Kundaia.
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Yeah, this is a really risky move for the Syndicate. On one hand, the Amarkians are already proving to be distracting our ships to prevent a counter-productive rampage. On the other, if Starfleet and the Federation manages this just right, it could get the Amarkian more on board with our anti-Syndicate efforts. If their ships can reign in their actions, then the Amarkian fleet could practically act like the UE and Andorian anti-Syndicate fleets.

On Alukk, there is a recruitment drive to get replacements into the depleted SSD and ISSU units who have seen a surprisingly high level of combat over the year.
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This is really worrying - another angle that the Syndicate can worm up treachery. I hope they're not desperate enough to be lax on recruitment standards, or possibly have the Rixx scrutineers help out if they're not too busy.

Back in Union space, the situation on Celos is tense, with remaining loyalist forces hunkering down and awaiting the arrival of an ISSU force that will help restore order. Celos is one of the more populous colonies, making it hard to keep a proper lid on. With the devastation of the local SSD, the Syndicate is quickly doing their best to build up a local stronghold.
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So, this indicates to me that Syndicate can gain ground on corruption levels, and that they aren't just planning defensive PR disasters and whatnot against the Federation. If Celos doesn't get support soon, could its corruption actually increase from "high" to "extreme"?

And speaking of corruption levels:
OneirosTheWriter said:
[+3 Impact, small drop in New Rigel corruption]
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OneirosTheWriter said:
[+5 Impact, New Rigel Corruption reduced to Medium]
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This shows that the corruption label of "high" and "medium" are actually derived from some hidden more granular corruption level that I suspect is based on population levels. New Rigel started with "high" corruption, and despite the "small drop in New Rigel corruption" in 2311.Q4.M1, it only decreased to "medium" in this 2312.Q1.M1 update.

Simon_Jester said:
Also, Amarki 'ceremonial blades' are two-foot short swords from what I remember, and at least a significant fraction of actively spacegoing Amarki keep them sharp. We've seen an Amarki lieutenant on the S'harien kill two men with one in short order.
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Yeah, Lafriebh was a total badass in that scene:
OneirosTheWriter said:
Saavik's eyes narrow as she turns to face the shift boss. "Mr Tolerass, I know the sounds and feel of an Excelsior, I-" Out of the corner of her eye, Saavik notices Lafriebh turn to the side and stiffen. Before anyone can so much as blink, Lafriebh's hand has drawn the ceremonial weapon from her side and stuck both Tolerass and the technician, who grimace and crumple to the deck. "...I trust you had a reason for that, Lieutenant?" says Saavik, her phaser pistol now drawn.
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Smashing the Syndicate is all well and good, but we can't lose focus on the Cardassians... or the Romulans. NEVER turn your back on the Romulans.
 
Finagle007 said:
Smashing the Syndicate is all well and good, but we can't lose focus on the Cardassians... or the Romulans. NEVER turn your back on the Romulans.
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That's the Breen. You never turn your back on the Breen.
Romulans you can use mirrors to keep an eye on.

Passing thought-
Since we now have capes with our uniforms, as well as the Armaki with their swords and at least some of the Humans (ie. Eaton) packing phasers everywhere, if we come in contact with the OTL we are totally going to look like the evil alternate.
 
Finagle007 said:
Smashing the Syndicate is all well and good, but we can't lose focus on the Cardassians... or the Romulans. NEVER turn your back on the Romulans.
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I thought that was the Breen. :)

Curses! :ninja:

pheonix89 said:
I guess they're gambling that potential bad PR for the attackers is worth the risk of the Amarki going to town. The Amarki can easily bring far more force than the Syndicate can defend against.
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But so what?

Look, there's no doubt that if the Syndicate would ever do us the favor of bringing their ships out of hiding and facing off against us in a fleet battle, we would crush them. That's true whether the Amarki bring their fleet or now. The trouble is finding them. The Syndicate hides, it sneaks, it attacks only when the odds are in its favors and doesn't hesitate to have its ships flee if things don't look good. They're acting like every guerilla force in history. Adding an Amarki fleet doesn't change much of anything.

Oh, I guess it's a few more ships to search... but space is really, really big. If we ever locate Syndicate bases it'll be through detective work, not because we had an extra five or six ships combing the galaxy for them.

The Amarki are angry... but ultimately impotent if they can't find anyone willing to stand and fight them.
 
nocarename said:
Passing thought-
Since we now have capes with our uniforms, as well as the Armaki with their swords and at least some of the Humans (ie. Eaton) packing phasers everywhere, if we come in contact with the OTL we are totally going to look like the evil alternate.
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Fortunately, the original timeline is sufficiently pacifist to ask questions before opening fire.

Come to think of it, so are we.

What you really have to watch out for is the Mirror Universe version of To Boldly Go, which is of course being run by the Mirror Universe version of SV.

Briefvoice said:
The Amarki are angry... but ultimately impotent if they can't find anyone willing to stand and fight them.
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To be fair, I'm sure the Amarki have competent detectives and investigators. They're fierce, not stupid, and I've seen no signs they lack (the capacity for) subtlety. And I wouldn't actually say NO to an offer of some Amarki gendarmes to reinforce the Caitians if we could get it without the big Militarization hit we'd have taken building them into the 2310 amendment to the Anti-Slavery Act.
 
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Best case scenario: Amarki scream their way, swords waving, into a major Syndicate outpost, burn it to the ground (or crash it into the nearest star).

Worse case scenario...
 
Simon_Jester said:
What you really have to watch out for is the Mirror Universe version of To Boldly Go, which is of course being run by the Mirror Universe version of SV.
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So, a Science Cap, a Council requested minimum Combat value, Combat loaded Miranda-As coming out of every berth? The Bajorans welcoming their new protectors as the Cardies moan about how those poor people will be exploited?
 
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