To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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- Location
- Australia
Quick reminder that there are also two other naming requests!
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Discovery
Since no one was going for Miracht, might as well change.
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Intrepid
The more cultural impact we can give the Connie-B wave, the better. And classic Connie names will help that.
[x][NAME1] Discovery
Since no one was going for Miracht, might as well change.
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Intrepid
The more cultural impact we can give the Connie-B wave, the better. And classic Connie names will help that.
- Location
- United States
you have the threadmark as 2311, not 2312.
and as for our builds, i want as many docks open for the rennies as possible when its done, so short builds this year, and maybe take next year off. save resources for a big batch of the rennies.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[x][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Intrepid
as long as we dont name anything Miracht, im okay. maybe we can try again with the ambassador.
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Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
Look, if you want non-European ships we can probably do better.
Huascar for a start. Probably the most accomplished ship of the Ironclad Age. (Only serious competition is Carondelet, who is nearly as obscure for being a brown-water ironclad.) Lucky if the name is recognized outside South America.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
@OneirosTheWriter, you're listing the 2310 EOY crews (and the erroneous one with the +0.1 officer to boot).
This should be (copied from 2311 EOY):
Standard Starfleet: 23.05 Officer, 32.2 Enlisted, 18.9 Techs
Explorer Corps: 11.00 Officer, 12.45 Enlisted, 13.4 Techs
Dang, that's a lot of construction finished: 7 escorts (counting Indorian Frigate as an escort), 1 cruiser, 11 cargo/freighter ships, and 2 other misc ships, plus a new shipyard (mostly for civilian grade ships?)
Is anyone else paranoid about this?
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[x][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
I checked the database and Intrepid is already taken by a Miranda. Luckily the Valiant isn't taken and fits the naming theme we've got here.
[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[x][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
I checked the database and Intrepid is already taken by a Miranda. Luckily the Valiant isn't taken and fits the naming theme we've got here.
I'm actually wondering if anyone else read that and thought: "They're building a slaveship dedicated to just Caitien slaves?"
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[x][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
[X][BUILD] Base Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
EDIT: Changed vote to my own plan of 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsiors, 2 Centaur-A
NOTE: Even though @lbmaian calls it that, this place actually starts 2 Excelsiors. Don't be confused by the name!
Also, @lbmaian you ought to edit into the plans which Mirandas will go into refit. In our fleet distribution plan, the Q2 refits ought to be the Fidelity (from Sol sector) and the Shield from Tellar sector. For the Q4 I would suggest maybe the Eketha and the Calypso from the Sydraxian Border zone. (Assuming we would replace with with one of the Q4 Connie-Bs.)
@OneirosTheWriter when will we be voting on the Kadeshi mission?
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
...oops? Well, doesn't matter - both options start 2 Excelsiors.
I doubt anyone else is going to create a plan that has just a single Excelsior.
Updated with suggested Mirandas.
- Location
- USA
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Kirk
[X][NAME3] Hravishran
[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Kirk
[X][NAME3] Hravishran
[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
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- Location
- somewhere
[X][BUILD] Plan 2 Centaur-A, 3 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
This gets us the two centaurs in half the time the other plan requires for the Connie B. We have a dire shortage of ships right now, ships in 18 months are a lot more valuable than in 3 years, and two Centaurs are far more valuable than a Connie-B for events AND significantly more valuable in war (two Centaur-As have a 82.5% chance of winning against a Connie-B even without taking evasion into account). Total crew cost is actually lower, total berth use is the same, and delaying the Miranda refit until the ship shortage is a bit less dire is actually beneficial. They are also more future-proof (further refits possible). The Centaur-A plan is better in every single way except nostalgia and resource cost (not the limiting factor at the moment).
This gets us the two centaurs in half the time the other plan requires for the Connie B. We have a dire shortage of ships right now, ships in 18 months are a lot more valuable than in 3 years, and two Centaurs are far more valuable than a Connie-B for events AND significantly more valuable in war (two Centaur-As have a 82.5% chance of winning against a Connie-B even without taking evasion into account). Total crew cost is actually lower, total berth use is the same, and delaying the Miranda refit until the ship shortage is a bit less dire is actually beneficial. They are also more future-proof (further refits possible). The Centaur-A plan is better in every single way except nostalgia and resource cost (not the limiting factor at the moment).
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
[X][BUILD] Base Plan 2 Centaur-A, 3 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
@OneirosTheWriter
Has the Miracht crew been rescued yet? IE, are they the ones going on a new EC Excelsior?
[x][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
[X][BUILD] Base Plan 2 Centaur-A, 3 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
@OneirosTheWriter
Has the Miracht crew been rescued yet? IE, are they the ones going on a new EC Excelsior?
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- Location
- USA
Just looking and after this year we will have 144 in science with a goal of 200. Ships finishing next year will give another 12, plan two Centaur a will get us another 9 next year, plan Connie b will get us another 4.
In the past hitting the goals has given us political will which we could use with the syndicate war we are fighting
In the past hitting the goals has given us political will which we could use with the syndicate war we are fighting
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[You may need some time to learn the ropes of how this game works, before you're in a strong position to make detailed suggestions about policy. I know I needed some time to do that.]
Now, as a favor, I'll cover the stats. First, I should explain that "events" are one of the game's key mechanics. Every one of the ships in our elite Explorer Corps encounters on every quarter, on their adventurous five year missions. There is a fairly strong probability of events happening randomly in the sectors of Federation territory, too. When such random events occur, it's up to the ships of the sector garrison fleet to respond.
If ships do well in an event they are rewarded and we get various resources that improve our strength. If ships do badly, then sometimes it means nothing happens... But sometimes it means the participating ship is damaged or even destroyed, often with loss of life. An event usually consists of multiple 'checks.' For instance, a ship making contact with a bunch of hostile aliens might have a check to see if they can be diplomatic enough to make friends. If they fail that check, there may be another check to see if they can win the resulting space battle. If they fail THAT check, there may be yet a third roll to see if the ship can escape in one piece before being blown up by the aliens they just offended.
Now, here are the stats:
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Combat:
Combat refers mainly to a ship's offensive firepower, targeting systems, and weaponry. In battle, the combined Combat of all ships on our side is compared against the combined Combat of all ships on their side. The fleet with the higher Combat has a greater probability of landing hits, and will generally knock down the enemy's defenses before being knocked down itself. There are also Combat checks rolled in certain events (like encounters with enemy pirates).
The big problem with Combat is that the Federation Council imposes a total cap on how much Combat all our ships put together are allowed to have. We get in trouble for exceeding that limit.
Science:
Science refers to a ship's onboard sensors and laboratories. Science is a key skill for event response. Ships roll Science checks to detect resources on a planet, to spot a dangerous space phenomenon, to cure a plague, and so on. In combat, Science is used sometimes for detection checks, and especially for spotting cloaked ships. But the main application of Science is passing event checks. A ship that passes a science check in an event usually enriches the Federation. Ships that fail Science checks may be in danger of losing crew to a plague outbreak, failing to detect a threat, or getting blown up by giant space anomalies.
There is a Federation-wide "Science requirement" for the total science score of all ships. So far, we haven't had much difficulty meeting it.
Hull:
Hull refers to the overall durability and strength of a ship's hull, including strong framework, armor plating, and so on. Ships usually only roll Hull checks during events in order to avoid being damaged (or destroyed) by a threat. However, a failed Hull check nearly always results in something terrible happening to a ship. In combat, Hull is a measure of how many "hit points" the ship has before being disabled or destroyed. A ship whose shields have failed, as it starts to lose Hull points, will also suffer damage to its weapons, and therefore has a debuff applied to its firepower.
There are no major strategic implications of Hull scores; it's a simple measure of how much of a beating this big hunk of metal we call a starship can take. More is better, but more expensive.
Shield:
Shield refers to the strength of a ship's shields. Like Hull checks, in an event, the Shield checks are usually rolled in order to avoid having something bad happen and blow up the ship. In combat, Shields measure how many "hit points" the shields have. A ship can take a beating on its shields during battle without penalty, as long as it doesn't reach zero shield HP and start taking hull damage. As a result, just about everybody except the Klingons tends to prefer concentrating ships' durability on the shields, with Hull equal to or less than the Shield strength. The Klingons disagree with this design philosophy; their ships tend to have pretty good shields for their (small) size, but the hulls are hellatough.
As with Hull, Shield has no major strategic implications. More is better, but more expensive.
Presence:
Along with Science, Presence checks are our main mechanism for getting benefits from our ships. A ship's Presence stat refers to a mix of traits like how impressive it is to visitors, how comfortable its living quarters are, whether it has facilities for diplomatic events (like good translators), and so on. The perfect example of a high-Presence ship is the Enterprise-D from Star Trek: The Next Generation, which is basically a giant flying palace that can easily host diplomatic conferences and which has excellent accommodations for almost every kind of sentient being imaginable. Ships roll Presence checks exclusively during events. Passing means rewards for diplomatic successes, such as improved relations with alien species, political payoffs that make it easier for us to get what we want out of the Federation council, and the relaxation of tensions that might otherwise lead to internal trouble between Federation members.
Ships that fail Presence checks tend to make people mad, which can get ugly. For example, we've been dealing with low-level border raids by a species called the Sydraxians for about the past five years, and they're allied with the Cardassians and making quite a bit of trouble. All of that ultimately goes back to when one of our explorers blew a Presence check, and failed to deal with a Cardassian attempt to frame us for a crime. Because of that failed Presence check, relations with Sydraxia became so low that the Sydraxians don't even want to listen us any more and have been attacking us constantly. Oops.
Defense:
Defense is mainly a measure of how quickly and effectively a ship can respond to sudden emergencies. The main factor controlled by Defense is how fast a ship is at warp drive; higher-Defense ships tend to be faster. However, there are some other qualities related to Defense, like good long-range communications, cargo storage capacity for swiftly ferrying supplies to a planet in need, and so on. In combat, small ships
In peacetime, ships roll Defense checks to see if they can even reach an event that happens in their sector. Ships that pass the Defense check can show up and help out. Ships that fail... can't.
The "Defense requirement" is one of the main limitations on how Starfleet deploys and uses its ships. Starfleet is required to maintain garrisons of ships and fortifications with a certain total Defense score in every sector of Federation space. We're not sure what the penalties are for failing to do this, but we'd rather not find out.
[Strikethrough and underline an edit based on corrections from SWB]
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The key takeaway from all this is:
1) To make ships strong in a fight, you need high combat, hull, and shields... but those stats are far less important in peacetime.
2) In peacetime, the Federation gets stronger and richer by passing events... which usually require high science, presence, and defense.
3) We HAVE to have plenty of ships with good Defense spread out all over the Federation. Ships with low Defense cause problems for us.
Probably better than canon depictions of Starfleet's senior admirals. And we have time to fix it, too!
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
I have to admit that the 2 Centaur-A build plan is technically superior to the 1 Connie-B build plan, and that I'm voting for the latter for sentimental reasons - that one last hurrah out of the gates.
Er, which build plan are you voting for?
Er, which build plan are you voting for?
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Two additional addendums regarding ship stats.
First, because of the way the combat engine works going light on combat, heavy on Hull/Shields is not particularly viable. Combat determines to-hit, and the scaling is based on the difference in ratings to the power of 1.15. Net result is that 1 combat is worth substantially more than 1 point of hull/shields.
Second, given equal total stats the side with the bigger ships stomps. Problem is smaller ships are much, much more cost efficient, there's not a Cruiser or Explorer that isn't seriously out-statted by it's own cost worth of Miranda-As.
First, because of the way the combat engine works going light on combat, heavy on Hull/Shields is not particularly viable. Combat determines to-hit, and the scaling is based on the difference in ratings to the power of 1.15. Net result is that 1 combat is worth substantially more than 1 point of hull/shields.
Second, given equal total stats the side with the bigger ships stomps. Problem is smaller ships are much, much more cost efficient, there's not a Cruiser or Explorer that isn't seriously out-statted by it's own cost worth of Miranda-As.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Guys, we already have an Intrepid.
She's a Miranda-class on the Klingon Border Zone patrol. Let's save Intrepid for the next generation of ship.
[Covered this in Old Heart, New Sinews.
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[][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[][CREW] Explorer Corps
[][NAME1] Odyssey
[][NAME2] Defiant
[][NAME3] Valiant
[EDIT: Vote sanitized]
@pheonix89, you're voting for two mutually exclusive build plans in the same post, by the way...
She's a Miranda-class on the Klingon Border Zone patrol. Let's save Intrepid for the next generation of ship.
[Covered this in Old Heart, New Sinews.
][][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[][CREW] Explorer Corps
[][NAME1] Odyssey
[][NAME2] Defiant
[][NAME3] Valiant
[EDIT: Vote sanitized]
Uh... it sounds like we're several years away from meeting our science target either way. If you look at the long-term implications of different plans, I don't think it'll make very much difference which plan we select this turn- a point or two at most.
That's true in a fight, but not for event response. Event response tends to mechanically favor bigger ships, because it doesn't really care what your TOTAL stats are, it cares what the stats are for the specific ship that showed up to roll the event checks.
@pheonix89, you're voting for two mutually exclusive build plans in the same post, by the way...
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So can someone who has been keeping up with the ship design changes tell me, what is the actual outlook for starting the Ambassador research? Do we know when it will be practical and how long it will take?
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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- He/Him
New
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
[X][BUILD] Base Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
[X][BUILD] Base Plan 1 Connie-B, 4 Miranda-A, 1 Excelsior