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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Briefvoice said:
Anyway, I want Chen separate from that.
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Would you care to share your rational?

I went with Shey because while they both have good bonuses, which basically cancels out in my book, Shey has held his position as Chief of Staff for six years without issue. Chen meanwhile hops around from position to position like a bunny on crack. With something like the Chief of Staff, basically the head Admiral's secretary, continuity is important. We want someone who'll be in the job for as long as possible rather then someone who'll jump ship to another position in two or three years time.
 
Briefvoice said:
[X][VICE] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen

Chen is our protege and frankly I'd like to cool down the diplomatic rolls right now, not heat them up. I don't want +4 to rolls.
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I put up estimates for membership of the affiliates from annual roll on the last page and besides Indoria (where it won't likely make a difference) we are 6 years out on the next two. Events are more likely to play a role there. It does however boost our chance with the non affiliates since there is less points to cover and means each diplo push we buy for them is more efficient and we are encountering new races again.

Where the +4 will help is making it more likely Qloathi get the 28 points they need to hit 300, or get Kadeshi to near there with annual roll and one turn left on the diplo push. Or getting Dawiar over the 100 mark with one push vs two. It also means we can likely reduce diplo pushes at the snakepit down to 2 or 3 sooner since we will have got the minors to affiliate a little faster.

Yrillians 90/100
Honiani 80/100
Dawiar 76/100
Gretarians 50/100
Ked Paddah 25/100

I think those are the current targets on the board (Licori need to resolve Ked Paddah conflict and events could push them over, so could solving the conflict)
Ked Paddah would take at least 2 (if we rolled near max), likely 4 pushes. Assuming 2u+17 currently losing Shey makes it minimum of 3 pushes, averaging 5 pushes, with him min 2 average 4.
 
UberJJK said:
Would you care to share your rational?

I went with Shey because while they both have good bonuses, which basically cancels out in my book, Shey has held his position as Chief of Staff for six years without issue. Chen meanwhile hops around from position to position like a bunny on crack. With something like the Chief of Staff, basically the head Admiral's secretary, continuity is important. We want someone who'll be in the job for as long as possible rather then someone who'll jump ship to another position in two or three years time.
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Because I'd like Chen to be in position to be head of Starfleet someday. She's been in a lot of positions... which means she has a lot of experience. Meanwhile I'm not that impressed with Shey. I'd like to see him hold down some Rear Admiral job other than Chief of Staff and do well there in order to prove he's got the chops for being a Vice Admiral. A Vice Admiral needs to be well-rounded in everything Starfleet. Continuity is great, but I hate to promote someone to Vice Admiral who has only ever had a single job as Rear Admiral.
 
Briefvoice said:
Because I'd like Chen to be in position to be head of Starfleet someday. She's been in a lot of positions... which means she has a lot of experience. Meanwhile I'm not that impressed with Shey. I'd like to see him hold down some Rear Admiral job other than Chief of Staff and do well there in order to prove he's got the chops for being a Vice Admiral. A Vice Admiral needs to be well-rounded in everything Starfleet. Continuity is great, but I hate to promote someone to Vice Admiral who has only ever had a single job as Rear Admiral.
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He was the Old Guard head of Intel before he became our Chief of Staff
 
Briefvoice said:
Then we don't need +4 to diplomatic pushes, do we?

Anyway, I want Chen separate from that.
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The +4 to diplo rolls is valuable for pushes on non-affiliates, as it could mean the difference between spending 10 or 20 pp on getting someone to affiliate status. Given that three new species showed up this year, we're going to have plenty of non-affiliates to push in the future. I want his bonus because it could save us pp, and let us beat the Cardassians in the race for new affiiates.
 
[x][VICE] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse

[x][AMARKIA] Captain Cergun ag Hugac

[x][RIGEL] Captain Yamada Ichigo
 
Shipbuild Discussion

Okay, so let's talk about the results of that horrible quarter we just had and what it means for ship-building, which will be our first vote next year. Here is what I see:

1. We need to keep a berth open for the Kearsage's repair. The Amarkian Arsenal is doing emergency repairs, but we need to put it into a Starfleet dock.
2. We are stretched thinner on deployment due to the Lion's loss and the Keasage being out of service for an entire year.

What berths are opening up in 2312?

40 Eridani A 3mt berth A - open Q1
Utopia Planitia 3mt berth A - open Q2
Utopia Planitia 3mt berth C - open Q2
Utopia Planitia 1mt berth 1 - open Q2
Utopia Planitia 1mt berth 2 - open Q2
Lor'Vela OCF 1mt berth 1 - open Q2
San Francisco 1mt berth 1 - open Q4
San Francisco 1mt berth 2 - open Q4

As of 2312, we will have the option of doing Miranda refits to make them into Miranda-As. The Fleet Deployment plan everyone voted for has provisions for taking 2 Mirandas out of service in Q2 to be refit. Doing a lot of refits over the next couple of years will also allow us to save up resources for mass production of Renaissances in 2314.

Here is what I am thinking:
40 Eridani A 3mt berth A - begin an Excelsior in Q1
Utopia Planitia 3mt berth A - begin an Excelsior in Q2
Utopia Planitia 3mt berth C - begin a Miranda refit [Fidelity] in Q2
Utopia Planitia 1mt berth 1 - begin Kearsage repair (12 months) in Q2
Utopia Planitia 1mt berth 2 - begin a Miranda refit [Shield] in Q2
Lor'Vela OCF 1mt berth 1 - build either a Constitution-B, Centaur-A, Miranda-A, or Oberth (key vote)
San Francisco 1mt berth 1 - Leave open 1 quarter until 2312Q1
San Francisco 1mt berth 2 - Leave open 1 quarter until 2312Q1

Okay, here is my argument on the SF berths. I think we want to use them for Miranda refits, as part of our strategy of getting all our Mirandas refitted and saving up resources for a wave of Renaissances once we can build them. That means taking those Mirandas out of service for a year. Now, each of those berths opening up represents a new Constitution-B going into service. However, we might well have to be manning Apinae Sector at that time for the Indorians, who may well make membership in the annual diplomatic rolls. Factor in we might have more lost ships and that could leave things tight. By waiting until 2312Q1 we'll have another couple of Constitution-Bs and an Excelsior coming into service and there will likely be more room for taking ships out of service.

That leaves the ship type to build in Lor'Vela as the most interesting thing to vote on. What does everyone think?

 
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If we're worried about being short on ships, couldn't we hold off on the Miranda refits for a year? The improvements are most useful for combat anyways, and we aren't at war right now. I'd rather leave a berth empty than risk failing our garrison obligations.
 
'nother short omake.

To Miracht

No one mourns a ship quite the same way as those who built her, even her crew. Thus the Office of Naval Architecture was a particularly dismal place, today.

"You don't understand!" A Tellarite voice howls from one office, frustration boiling over. "Miracht did not fail!" The entire section falls silent at once. The speaker continued at the same volume, oblivious. "A ship exists, before anything else, to keep its crew safe. The greatest service it can do, the greatest tribute to its designers possible, is for the ship to be catastrophically lost without crew casualties. To protect the crew to the last. Miracht has come closer to meeting that standard than any other Starfleet ship in the last twenty years. Yes, she had a terrible career. But Miracht came through at the end. She kept her crew safe."

Nothing could have eliminated the air in the office that day. But the outburst made it less a physical weight, pressing on everyone.
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Overall I like it and with loss of the Lion and Mitaracht favor putting a Connie B under construction for the Combat and Defense it provides. Fortunately the Kearsage was already allocated to the Syndi task force so that does not stretch deployments. One point though is in 14 it looks like we are only starting 1 Excelsior and I would want to start 2 so we will always have 2 finishing a year until we switch to Ambassador.

Nervos Belli said:
If we're worried about being short on ships, couldn't we hold off on the Miranda refits for a year? The improvements are most useful for combat anyways, and we aren't at war right now. I'd rather leave a berth empty than risk failing our garrison obligations.
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We have some flex space currently and will be over garrisoning several sectors likely next year
 
[X][VICE] Rear Admiral Sanik

[X][AMARKIA] Commodore Victoria Eaton

[X][RIGEL] Commodore T'Lam

At the moment, Victoria is leading the Star Fleet Task Force in the battle against the Syndicate, and is also Director of Starfleet Data Modelling. Wouldn't it make more sense for her to lead the Amarkia Sector Command, which after all includes Alukk?
 
[X][VICE] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse
[X][AMARKIA] Commodore Victoria Eaton
[X][RIGEL] Captain Maryam Ajam
 
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We could alternately commit to new-build a couple of Miranda-As before we start the refit cycle, to give us more breathing Defense. Give the yards some experience with the design before they start refits.
 
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[X][VICE] Patricia Chen
Kahurangi has reasons to push her friend up the ranks; Sulu, not necessarily.

[X][AMARKIA] Thraan th'Marlaas
We're planning to station powerful ships to the sector anyway, so.

[X][RIGEL] T'Lam
I like her diplomacy bonus.

I will say, we should stop thinking that Maryam Ajam is ideally suited for Intelligence posts. It's something of a minor miracle that she succeeded - and that was with sympathetic officers supporting her. I haven't written it up yet, but I imagine that at least one suspicious junior officer had to be murdered by Miran and her allies to prevent 'Glinn Golov' from being unmasked.
 
Night said:
We could alternately commit to new-build a couple of Miranda-As before we start the refit cycle, to give us more breathing Defense. Give the yards some experience with the design before they start refits.
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Refits take 1 year and give the Mirandas we have +1 S, H and L, they also do not take crew which is more of a limitation currently than resources. Also if we are building more escorts I would rather go for Centaur A.

They have +1 S, +2 P and +1 D vs Mranda A for 20 br, 25 sr and 1 Tech.
 
Void Stalker said:
Overall I like it and with loss of the Lion and Mitaracht favor putting a Connie B under construction for the Combat and Defense it provides. Fortunately the Kearsage was already allocated to the Syndi task force so that does not stretch deployments. One point though is in 14 it looks like we are only starting 1 Excelsior and I would want to start 2 so we will always have 2 finishing a year until we switch to Ambassador.
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It's that "switch to Ambassador" that concerns me. I am trying to keep a 3mt berth at Utopia Planitia open (or at least filled with short term one or two year builds) so that we can make sure we can construct the Ambassador there. That's why I had a berth open in 14. Of course, if we were to take the "expand UP" option this next Snakepit that wouldn't be so much of a problem....
 
AKuz said:
o7

That poor ship and her poor crews. Why is that name so Cursed.... we should probably take the name out of rotation for a decade or too and hope the curse wears off.

;_;

Elements... SERIOUSLY?!?!?! This is just a BAD YEAR.
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And it could have been worse, had the Endurance and [Othership] responded to the same anomaly that ate the Lion.

In any case, now I'm not sure we can justify sending any ship with the Kadesh, let alone an Excelsior.
 
Briefvoice said:
It's that "switch to Ambassador" that concerns me. I am trying to keep a 3mt berth at Utopia Planitia open (or at least filled with short term one or two year builds) so that we can make sure we can construct the Ambassador there. That's why I had a berth open in 14. Of course, if we were to take the "expand UP" option this next Snakepit that wouldn't be so much of a problem....
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When do you expect us to be able to construct the Ambassador prototype. It would have to be Q3 due to the research finishing then, and we have 5 3m yards. If it is in 14 then I can see keeping it open for the prototype.
 
[X][VICE] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen

[X][AMARKIA] Commodore Victoria Eaton

[X][RIGEL] Captain Maryam Ajam
 
Briefvoice said:
It's that "switch to Ambassador" that concerns me. I am trying to keep a 3mt berth at Utopia Planitia open (or at least filled with short term one or two year builds) so that we can make sure we can construct the Ambassador there. That's why I had a berth open in 14. Of course, if we were to take the "expand UP" option this next Snakepit that wouldn't be so much of a problem....
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Another thing to keep in mind is the Andorians are saving up for an Excelsior and may request a berth in the next couple years. I'm on mobile so I can't tell if your plan accounts for that, but if not then we definitely want to do at least one expansion action.
 
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