Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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20 years one way at the speed the Kadeshi fleet travels at, I don't remember what their stated max warp is.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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At the speed of the Kadeshi fleet, our ships move an undetermined amount faster.
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I'm sure we'll get more information on the exact trip time, but we should probably take "decades" as a good guideline for how long this ship will be gone.
On the one hand we want to send a new ship- because an already-old ship will be falling apart by the time it arrives. On the other hand, we may NOT want to send any ships or characters we love and would miss dearly in our own space. I'm kind of torn, now, about the "Commodore Nash to command the expedition" option simply because I'm not sure I want her away doing this for the rest of her life.
Depending on the exact astrographic location of the Licori we may want to hold off on bringing them in as affiliates. For one, we do NOT want to give the Romulans an impression that we're trying to wrap around their coreward border and block them in. For another, antagonism between the Gaeni and the Licori may be an ongoing problem that gets worse if we try to befriend both at once.
On the one hand we want to send a new ship- because an already-old ship will be falling apart by the time it arrives. On the other hand, we may NOT want to send any ships or characters we love and would miss dearly in our own space. I'm kind of torn, now, about the "Commodore Nash to command the expedition" option simply because I'm not sure I want her away doing this for the rest of her life.
Depending on the exact astrographic location of the Licori we may want to hold off on bringing them in as affiliates. For one, we do NOT want to give the Romulans an impression that we're trying to wrap around their coreward border and block them in. For another, antagonism between the Gaeni and the Licori may be an ongoing problem that gets worse if we try to befriend both at once.
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Vulcans? Vulcans.
Honestly I think we might be better off bringing in the power they're at war with because their reasoning of "you're lunatics who will destroy the universe if we don't save you from yourselves" is really quite reasonable, if a tad interventionalist.
Finagle007
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No, we don't. That would provoke further delays in getting them to join the Federation eventually.
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Still sending the Cheron may not be that bad of an idea, we cant spare an Excelsior but it has the science and presence scores to be useful
Tentative Diplo Push Targets:
1. Ked Paddah (we need to learn their side of the story, and we already have a way to contact the Licori through the Gaeni if need be)
2. Gretarians (help the puppies who are being exploited)
3. Dawiar
4. Yrillians
With the last being less important but the first two being ones I really want
I think we need to diplo boost the Ked Paddah instead so we can work on solving the conflict. I do not want to affiliate the Licori until the war is resolved.
Tentative Diplo Push Targets:
1. Ked Paddah (we need to learn their side of the story, and we already have a way to contact the Licori through the Gaeni if need be)
2. Gretarians (help the puppies who are being exploited)
3. Dawiar
4. Yrillians
With the last being less important but the first two being ones I really want
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Definitely Vulcans.
Don't forget, if we go by the "actually they have a Veteran crew" retcon, all those scores will drop by 2. (We can't reasonably expect that the current crew will volunteer for a decades-long mission.) We'd actually be better off sending one of the newly-built Constitutions if you want to send a Connie. Better stats and a new ship with a much longer service life ahead of it.
Jenny
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>:OFinagle007 said:
Doesn't matter, the ship would be tied to the Kadeshi fleet by the nature of the mission.
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Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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20 years is a long time as well, though our ships will be capable of ranging further and faster. So I propose that we do take the opportunity, however we should have the ship we send equipped with the closest equivalent of a relay beacon, so we can follow behind, perhaps prepare a few outposts that stretch the path of the great journey.
I don't know, being able to respond to changing circumstances at the speed of thought with organic intuition backed by the ship's mainframe seems like it would be helpful. Then again, who knows if Starfleet already has near AI to fulfill that job.
Truthfully though, I think we'd be best off tagging the new Oberth (or "an Oberth" if it needs to leave sooner) for this mission. An Oberth has the highest Science of the ships we can spare (which is the entire point), and it's small enough it can probably dock in the Mothership for repairs and such as needed. It's low speed won't matter as much since it's crawling along with the main fleet.
EDIT: Is Captain Straak married? We might offer him a chance to leave his 5YM early and command this mission. It seems like his sort of deal.
EDIT: Is Captain Straak married? We might offer him a chance to leave his 5YM early and command this mission. It seems like his sort of deal.
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10ebbor10
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I don't think so. The system works by connecting to the brain. You can't upgrade those.
Jello_Raptor
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Oh god, I want the Licori and Gaeni as full members. Can you imagine how much more !!FUN!! the academy science curriculum will be?
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Though I agree we need something with high science for the trip I would also prefer something that could protect itself better even if it's joining the Kadeshi fleet. Not entirely sure what though.
Jello_Raptor
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If our systems are better can we give the Kadeshi enough info to let them upgrade? All of our software, schematics, and design info?
It'll help when they're monkey patching the ship's we send as an escort.
Also, can we add a transport with a huge fucking pile of relay beacons to that fleet? Even if travel back and forth is unfeasible high speed comms will be invaluable.
It'll help when they're monkey patching the ship's we send as an escort.
Also, can we add a transport with a huge fucking pile of relay beacons to that fleet? Even if travel back and forth is unfeasible high speed comms will be invaluable.
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Jello_Raptor
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Actually the Licori already do.
Canon Startrek has tons of ways todo that, but they treat it as a literally sin against god and promptly forget about it after doing their best to disappear the technology.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Rebuilding the Academy completely every year won't be
True enough. But whatever ships we send could move back and forth between the Federation and the Kadeshi fleet. (At least until they've moved beyond a certain point, at which time we really would have to tie a ship to the Kadeshi fleet.)
I admit, sending the Cheron or a ConnieB appeals.
fasquardon
Jello_Raptor
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So 20 year one way trip, if we move much faster than the Kadeshi we could setup a system where every two-three years we load a ship full of people who want to join and when it arrives the oldest ship in the fleet gets loaded up with the people who want to come back and returns.
Warp 7 is about 10 times the speed of warp 5, a two year trip one way is a lot, but eminently doable.
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Your ship type choices are:
Science 3 - Centaur-A
Science 3 - Cheron or new Constitution (Cheron will not get to keep its Veteran crew.)
Science 5 - Oberth
Pick your poison.
Over the long term an Oberth would be better for the mission, though.
That really seems impractical. Even if we're three times as fast as them, that still means that you're talking a two year round trip the first time you try that. No, it's not going to work. The ship we send is gone.
Can you hear howls of terror? I can hear howls of terror. Leslie, the Vulcans (very calm, logical howls, but still), the Tellarites, the saner Andorians, the Rigelians...
That out of the way, I don't think we should sent the Cheron out into the wilds quite that far. 20 years is a long time, even with fleet support at a low warp factor.
I do want good endurance and presence though.
Quit that.
Active wars block membership, at least.
You stop that too. Minimal diplomatic pushes, if any.
Sit. On. Your. Hands.
If we could take internal diplomatic actions with our members I'd be waving my hands and jumping up and down to promote that.
We need to know ourselves again, not welcome in another stack of outsiders. The Federation is great, yes, but I don't want to have the Kadeshi fly through Federation space all the way to their new homeworld.
For one thing, I don't think we could garrison it.
Tidy!
That's extra terrible. Five yard penalty. Lose possession of the space!ball.
Numbers time! Let's assume that we can manage something that averages the emergency cruise warp speed we had for the Grey November crisis by the time we're bringing the Kadeshi Exploratory Expedition crew home.
It takes 20 years to go (20*52*10ly) 10,400 Light years one way. (Current RL science estimates max out at 180,000 light years for the diameter of the whole milkyway.)
I think we've got a good chance to bring everyone who doesn't want to stay home for their retirements. Not swapping out crews on the regular though. This is a volunteer only career choice.
Jello_Raptor
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At 3x yes, it's impractical. At 10x it's just barely practical. At 50x we'd be silly not to.
It's a matter of degree and I'm not sure where exactly on that spectrum we lie.
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