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Briefvoice said:
Possibly the Cardassians helped stabilize the situation... What, sometimes even they can be helpful!
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Too far away to occupy, having a civil war would be a PITA.
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That fits pretty well with my "Federation of Fear" thing too. Being able to fund the Orion Syndicate through Yrillian space is nice, but its not worth the Yrillian civil war that letting Syndicate-backed factions continue to prosper would create.
 
@OneirosTheWriter I would be interested in hearing more about the Rigellians in your universe. Even though they are a canon species, the trouble is that they are about three different canon species as the name has been used multiple times for apparently different species.

Also details on the Sotaw, about whom we know very little other than "they exist".
 
Revised Late 2311/Early 2312 Fleet Distribution based on comments.

EDIT: Minor edit made to keep a Centaur-A at Tellar Sector continuously.

HearthBorn said:
Edit2: I'd like to see a few ships in the Apinae Sector, even if it's a D0.
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I consider the Cardassian Border Zone fleet and the Sydraxian Border Zone fleet to be jointly covering the Apinae sector right now, which is another reason for keeping them very big.

ClawClawBite said:
I'd leave the Kearsage in the Task force. We have lots of ships in the CBZ, and I tend to like larger ships there anyway. The Task force is a great place for more Constellations.
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JesseJ said:
Could we move the new Oberth onto either Romulan or Klingon intelligence? I really think getting more information about what's going on there is going to be important.
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Nix said:
  • I'd like the Centaur-As to be spread out a bit more for event coverage, every sector without Excelsior should get one if possible.
  • The Syndicate Taskforce benefits very much from high enlisted ships because enlisted translate to ground team hp, rotating out the Zephyr makes much more sense than the Kearsage and we might consider assigning another Constellation as well, or perhaps rotate both out in Q4 and replace them with two different Constellations because I think they both already took hp losses, not sure how hp recovery works and whether teams gather experience for this particular kind of mission.
  • I don't think assigning an Oberth there is a good idea, the Syndicate seems to be the sort of opponent that might create a diversion for the ships accompanying it and then capture/destroy it so it seems a bit risky, and we don't have much of an indication that it would be all that useful, given that we have listening posts in the area and the Yukikaze has sensors almost as good.
  • Not a fan of single ship sector fleets (or Miranda pair fleets either), I'd be happier with a Centaur-A + a Miranda for Rigel if we can't spare more. Connie-B + Miranda would be fine if we can.
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Okay, so there seems to be an argument for keeping the Kearsage in the task force and spreading the Centaur-As more evenly. There is disagreement about where to put the new Oberth... seems like people aren't a fan of putting it in the Syndicate Fleet. How about this?

Q3 2311 done with current fleet.

Q2 2312 adds 3 Constitution-B + 1 Oberth, but some number of Mirandas may go into refit (for purpose of this plan I assume 2 go into refit – the Fidelity and the Shield.)

*I am not planning for Q4 2312 as it will be too far in the future and many things may change by then.

Sol Sector – Requires D18
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 3 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant, Fidelity] (6), 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), Starbase 1 (5)
New Q4 2311 - 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], 3 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant, Fidelity] (6), 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
New Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [New], 2 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant] (4), 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
Notes: Sending the Endurance to man the new SBZ; reinforcing with Centaur from Amarkia and Oberth from Andor. Then in 2312 reinforcing with Connie-B and sending Bull to further strengthen Rigel Sector and the Fidelity to refit (if we choose to do that).

Vulcan Sector – Requires D12
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Mirandas (4) [T'Kumbra, Thunderhead], Starbase I (5) = 12D
New Q4 2311 – No change
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: No reason to change.

Andor Sector – Requires D9
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5)
New Q4 2311 - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], Starbase I (5) = 11D
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: Fleet dropped to two ships to reinforce SBZ and Sol.

Tellar Sector – Requires D9
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 2 Miranda (4) [Calypso, Shield], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5)
New Q4 2311 - 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: With Starbase and extra outposts only two ships required now that Klivvar Proxima covered by the SBZ.

Amarkia Sector – Requires D15
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 2 Centaur-A (6) [Bull, Blizzard], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 22D
New Q4 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Blizzard], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 19D
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: Extra outposts mean that two Centaur-As are not required for "flooding the sector" defense requirement. Send Bull to reinforce Sol sector.

Ferasa Sector – Requires D15
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], Starbase I (5)
New Q4 2311 – No change.
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: High requirement for anti-syndicate 'flooding the sector'.

Rigel Sector – Requires D9
Current Q3 2311 – Starbase I (5)
New Q4 2311 - 2 Mirandas [Shield, Svai] (4), Starbase I (5) = 9D
New Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [New], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 13D
Notes: Initially reinforce with Mirandas from Tellar sector and RBZ, then replace with Constitution-B and Bull, sending Svai back to RBZ and Shield to refit (if we choose to do so).

Romulan Border Zone – Requires D12
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Miranda (2) [Svai], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5)
New Q4 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5)
New Q2 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Miranda (2) [Svai], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5) = 14D
Notes: Send Svai off to Rigel until Connie-Bs are out and then bring it back.

Klingon Border Zone – Requires D6
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Miranda (2) [Intrepid], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire]
New Q4 2311 – No change.
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: Leave manned as is.

Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D10
Current Q3 2311 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 2 Constellations (6) [Challorn, Vigour], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind]
New Q4 2311 – No change except Starbase I now added at Lapycorias. = 20D
New Q2 2312 – No change.
Notes: No change.

Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D9
Current Q3 2311 – Starbase I (5) [Vega]
New Q4 2311 - 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 2 Miranda (4) [Eketha, Calypso], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 15D
New Q2 2312 – 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 2 Miranda (4) [Eketha, Calypso], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 18D
Notes: Pulling Excelsior from Sol Sector and Calypso from Tellar Sector and Eketha from Andor Sector. Add the Zephyr when it's freed up in 2312Q2 from the anti-Syndicate Task Force.

Anti-Syndicate Task Force – No fixed Requirement
Current Q3 2311 - 2 Centaur-A [Yukikaze, Zephyr], 1 Constellation [Kearsage], 1 Miranda [Dryad]
New Q4 2311 – No change.
New Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B [new], 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze], 1 Constellation [Kearsage], 1 Miranda (2) [Dryad]
Notes: In 2312 add one of the new Connie-Bs to the task force; send the Zephyr to the Tellar Sector.

New Oberth…. Still undecided. Where should it go?
 
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Random Member said:
Ah, too bad. I was hoping that would be another Crisis we would have to solve once we start integrating them.
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If it happens at a time when he can focus on it maybe. What I think he's saying is that the Yrillian Civil War would be too much of a pain to manage in the background to be worth the trouble of managing it when the players aren't really involved.
 
Briefvoice said:
New Oberth…. Still undecided. Where should it go?
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Starfleet Intelligence. I think we should have one Oberth there for each major power. Right now we have one on the Cardassians so this one on Klingons or Romulans and then one more on the last species. After that we might want ones covering the Sydraxians and Syndicate if they are still problems by the time we've built more Oberths, if we're able to give Starfleet Intelligence more Oberths (Onerios might give us a maximum or diminishing returns or something like that) and if we haven't run into another major power (Breen, Gorn, etc.) that we need intel on more.
 
And if I recall correctly, we will also need to assign at least half of our Oberths to regular fleet duties, since massive intelligence organizations make the Federation nervous.
(Luckily, massive is relative, and we can adjust it by building a bigger fleet...)
 
nocarename said:
And if I recall correctly, we will also need to assign at least half of our Oberths to regular fleet duties, since massive intelligence organizations make the Federation nervous.
(Luckily, massive is relative, and we can adjust it by building a bigger fleet...)
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Yes, but we have the Suvek, Hawking and Inspire already in the fleet and the T'Mir in intel. We can have two more Oberths in intel and still meet that rule.

I don't think we'll need a bigger fleet to justify more intel Oberths. Right now our intel group has 1 of 4 Oberths and 1 of 41 Starfleet vessels. When the new Oberth finishes in 2312Q2 if it goes into intel it would be 2 of 5 Oberths and 2 of 44 Starfleet vessels. If we start a new Oberth in the next shipyard ops it would finish in 2314Q2 and (if it also goes into intel) be 3 of 6 Oberths and 3 of 53 Starfleet vessels.
 
Briefvoice said:
@OneirosTheWriter I would be interested in hearing more about the Rigellians in your universe. Even though they are a canon species, the trouble is that they are about three different canon species as the name has been used multiple times for apparently different species.

Also details on the Sotaw, about whom we know very little other than "they exist".
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I think it woud be cool if that discrepancy was solved by having Rigel be home to one or two large minority species. The Chelonians (the tortoise guys) could be the indigenous and majority species, with perhaps significant minority populations of Orions, Jelna(poly gendered humanoids), and Zami (Vulcanoids), and a couple of even smaller minorities besides.
The would be explained as Rigel having been a major cosmopolitan world within the Ancient Orion empire, colonized by Orions and leading to the immigration of many Orion subject species. At some point after the Orion Empire fell, Chelonian majority rule was established and Rigel has steadily developed into a multi-ethnic democratic society. The Rigellians perhaps even absorbed the homeworlds of some of those minorities as they expanded.

The common Rigellian identity has developed over centuries to the point where say a Rigellian Orion feels more culturally at home on Rigel than on the Orion homeworlds.

This would partly explain why Rigel has held out on membership for so long, as they already had their own mini federation.
 
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Made a minor edit in fleet plan last page to keep a Centaur-A continuously in Tellar Sector.

I don't know about sending the Oberth to Intelligence. Is getting an extra report once per year really better than having a high-Science ship able to respond to events all year round? Sometimes I really doubt the value of those intelligence reports.
 
Man, the Caldonians are a blank slate. Only one canon appearance to their name, in which they spoke a grand total of about 6 lines, most of them boring.

Didn't realize they were hueg though. Like, Yrillian hueg.
 
Briefvoice said:
Made a minor edit in fleet plan last page to keep a Centaur-A continuously in Tellar Sector.

I don't know about sending the Oberth to Intelligence. Is getting an extra report once per year really better than having a high-Science ship able to respond to events all year round? Sometimes I really doubt the value of those intelligence reports.
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I've seen zero other sources in regards to finding out fleet sizes, and we have the option of getting better data on particular ships. This will be the first time we see the fleet size of the Klingons, for example.

Edit: Whoops, with one rather large exception, when we avoided our war with the Cardassians.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Made a minor edit in fleet plan last page to keep a Centaur-A continuously in Tellar Sector.

I don't know about sending the Oberth to Intelligence. Is getting an extra report once per year really better than having a high-Science ship able to respond to events all year round? Sometimes I really doubt the value of those intelligence reports.
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Anything we can learn about the progress of the Klingon-Romulan War would be to the good.
 
Briefvoice said:
Made a minor edit in fleet plan last page to keep a Centaur-A continuously in Tellar Sector.

I don't know about sending the Oberth to Intelligence. Is getting an extra report once per year really better than having a high-Science ship able to respond to events all year round? Sometimes I really doubt the value of those intelligence reports.
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They provide us with a resource we literally can't get any other way: information about external affairs that informs player decisions. That is really important; one of our biggest handicaps has been that we are "flying blind" when it comes to our relationships with the great powers, our understanding of the interactions between the nations on our periphery, and so on.
 
Eh, I know. It's just... giving ships to Intelligence feels like sacrificing them to Moloch. Like we're spending them to do distasteful things rather than what they really want to be doing, mapping the infinite glories of space. I'd feel like such a jerk forcing another crew into that role.
 
Briefvoice said:
Made a minor edit in fleet plan last page to keep a Centaur-A continuously in Tellar Sector.

I don't know about sending the Oberth to Intelligence. Is getting an extra report once per year really better than having a high-Science ship able to respond to events all year round? Sometimes I really doubt the value of those intelligence reports.
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I went through the EOY reports, and the event rate for our sector Oberths has been pretty underwhelming. The only year where they did anything was in 2307, when the Hawking and the Suvek earned 15rp each (and the Hawking had help from the Stallwart for a 10rp event and wouldn't have succeeded without). That was the year Oneiros was tinkering around with the event system, so it might have been an intermediate system that was more generous to Oberths, before the next change nerfed them back into near uselessness again? The T'Mir didn't do anything in the two years she was stationed in the RBZ either.
 
Nix said:
I went through the EOY reports, and the event rate for our sector Oberths has been pretty underwhelming. The only year where they did anything was in 2307, when the Hawking and the Suvek earned 15rp each (and the Hawking had help from the Stallwart for a 10rp event and wouldn't have succeeded without). That was the year Oneiros was tinkering around with the event system, so it might have been an intermediate system that was more generous to Oberths, before the next change nerfed them back into near uselessness again? The T'Mir didn't do anything in the two years she was stationed in the RBZ either.
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Event rate for non explorer corps ships is really low. IIRC 40% chance per sector per year?
 
pheonix89 said:
Event rate for non explorer corps ships is really low. IIRC 40% chance per sector per year?
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All of our Constellations and many of our Mirandas and Centaur-As individually had more events than the entire Oberth class.

Potential events on sector rolls were about 1 in 5 for home sectors, 1 in 3 for border zones, both per quarter, last time we got any numbers.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Eh, I know. It's just... giving ships to Intelligence feels like sacrificing them to Moloch. Like we're spending them to do distasteful things rather than what they really want to be doing, mapping the infinite glories of space. I'd feel like such a jerk forcing another crew into that role.
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Ahh. Now THAT is a good argument, and one I have considerable respect for.

Maybe we could compromise somehow, and assign a ship a mission that enables it to both map and to learn a bit about some of our neighbors? Perhaps not, I don't know.

OneirosTheWriter said:
Something to keep in mind is that when there are multiple responders, I directly credit the larger ship present. So there were more than a few instances where Oberths were adding their science into events.
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I remember sometimes you wrote that into the text, as in "with assistance from the USS Hawking."

I'm glad when you do that, because it helps give us a sense of what our ships are accomplishing. :)
 
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