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Nah. We should wait for our next gen tech to tick at around 2323.
Actually, I think we should drop logistics at Tellar Prime or Ord Grind Duk.
That should mollify the Development faction.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Actually, I think we should drop logistics at Tellar Prime or Ord Grind Duk.
That should mollify the Development faction.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
There was originally +15pp. It's now +10pp:
That's outside Sarek's now "[Gain +35br, +5rp]".
edit: added in ships that got those rewards
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I'm against locking us in, because the new sheet rewards new tech more.
Plus, we're refitting the Excelsior.
I've been told two years is what we need to allocate to research based on the "start in 2313 plan", so that's what I'm using. Since the new sheet doesn't even have fudge factors, I have no idea how to figure out how much research we need for that.
@OneirosTheWriter is 2 years of research before we can start building the Ambassador prototype reasonable to assume under the new paradigm?
Well, that's fine. Remember, you can vote for my spend plan without voting for my ambition, everyone.
What do you think our ambition should be?
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Probably not - but fwiw, simply getting the Ambassador into production would be a suitable ambition.
Here's some ideas for Goals that we might be able to accomplish: keep in mind these are all highly speculative.
[ ] Ahead Of the Game: Complete All Tier 1, Tier 2,and 50% of Tier 3 Techs in major technology groups by 2321. (Shields, Weapons, Warp tech, etc, not including Doctrines or type-construction techs)
[ ] Grow the Fleet: Meet our target for Defense and Science by 2318, three years ahead of schedule.
[ ] Seek Out Strange new Worlds: Ten Explorer Corps ships in active service come 2321. (this is primarily dependent on not loosing any explorers, and will be easy to hit if we don't.)
[ ] Standardized Sector Fleets: An Excelsior and an Oberth in every sector fleet-and maybe two Renaissances for good luck.
[ ] State of the Art: Leave No Ship un-upgraded.
[ ] Red Cross/Red Crescent: Design and begin construction on Five Explorer-sized hospital ships or ten Cruiser-sized ones.
[ ] Ahead Of the Game: Complete All Tier 1, Tier 2,and 50% of Tier 3 Techs in major technology groups by 2321. (Shields, Weapons, Warp tech, etc, not including Doctrines or type-construction techs)
[ ] Grow the Fleet: Meet our target for Defense and Science by 2318, three years ahead of schedule.
[ ] Seek Out Strange new Worlds: Ten Explorer Corps ships in active service come 2321. (this is primarily dependent on not loosing any explorers, and will be easy to hit if we don't.)
[ ] Standardized Sector Fleets: An Excelsior and an Oberth in every sector fleet-and maybe two Renaissances for good luck.
[ ] State of the Art: Leave No Ship un-upgraded.
[ ] Red Cross/Red Crescent: Design and begin construction on Five Explorer-sized hospital ships or ten Cruiser-sized ones.
You're woefully underspent. This plan comes to 102.4, meaning that you have another 33.6 points to spend.
Got it.
EVERYONE! I am editing my ambition to "Get Ambassador prototype into production." We're definitely going to do that before 2321, right?
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Oh thanks, added the SBZ in. The rest I'm not sure on.
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[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Finally the Betazoids
[X][SHIPYARD] Tellar Prime
@Briefvoice
[ ][STARFLEET] Enough Excelsiors to Garrison one per sector
or
[ ][STARFLEET] X Excelsiors built or in production for home fleets.
I'm somewhat okay with that. That works with either start.
[X][SHIPYARD] Tellar Prime
@Briefvoice
[ ][STARFLEET] Enough Excelsiors to Garrison one per sector
or
[ ][STARFLEET] X Excelsiors built or in production for home fleets.
Excelsior seems doable, but Oberths will be replaced by 2330, and Rennaisances will not be done in time.
I'm somewhat okay with that. That works with either start.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
Hmm, going to try coming up with another plan. Want to avoid bandwagoning at the moment.
@OneirosTheWriter, to provide more details, here's the full list of rewards we got in Q1:
That totals up to:
+35br
+25 relations with Apiata
+10pp
+30rp
@OneirosTheWriter, to provide more details, here's the full list of rewards we got in Q1:
That totals up to:
+35br
+25 relations with Apiata
+10pp
+30rp
[X][SHIPYARD] Amarkia
[X][STARFLEET] Get Ambassador prototype into production.
The only difference in the plan below and @Briefvoice's is I added a diplomatic push. If there ever was a time to push the Bajorans now is it. When the Cardassians come out of their seclusion we likely won't have an opportunity to do this safely. Likely one of our few opportunities to butterfly the occupation.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Betazoids Plus One
-[X] Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
-[X] NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
-[X] NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
-[X] NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Kadeshi) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Bajorans) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Establish a Sydraxian Border Zone north of Apinae and Amarkia Sectors, 20pp
-[X] Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 10pp for your Chief of Staff.
(3.6 points left)
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Betazoids Plus One
[X][STARFLEET] Get Ambassador prototype into production.
The only difference in the plan below and @Briefvoice's is I added a diplomatic push. If there ever was a time to push the Bajorans now is it. When the Cardassians come out of their seclusion we likely won't have an opportunity to do this safely. Likely one of our few opportunities to butterfly the occupation.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Betazoids Plus One
-[X] Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
-[X] NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
-[X] NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
-[X] NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Kadeshi) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Bajorans) [Can be taken up to four times]
-[X] Establish a Sydraxian Border Zone north of Apinae and Amarkia Sectors, 20pp
-[X] Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 10pp for your Chief of Staff.
(3.6 points left)
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Betazoids Plus One
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aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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[X][SHIPYARD] Amarkia
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Bajorans and Old Guard
- Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
- NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Bajorians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Gretarians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp (Seruk)
Guess who I'm still a bit upset at? Three tries, the first two don't count.
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Bajorans and Old Guard
- Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
- NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Bajorians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Gretarians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp (Seruk)
Guess who I'm still a bit upset at? Three tries, the first two don't count.
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Well glad that betazoid is 10 points cheaper. Still I would like Kadesh on the push and retiring Seruk so we can have more say there plus whatever bonus his replacement provides.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Kadesh and Old Guard
- Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
- NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Kadeshi) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Gretarians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp (Seruk)
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Kadesh and Old Guard
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Kadesh and Old Guard
- Establish Betazoid Counsellors in Starfleet vessels, starting with Explorer Corps, 8 turns, 40pp (Increased Retention nets +.25 Officer/Crew/Technician in Explorer Corps)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Tagh Pakot, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 sr / year)
- NEW Request Mining Colony at Lapycorias XIII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +25 br/year)
- NEW Request Research Colony at Ke'Luur, 8pp (6 turns, gain +7rp/year)
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Yrillians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Dawiar) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Kadeshi) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (Gretarians) [Can be taken up to four times]
- Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp (Seruk)
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Kadesh and Old Guard
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
@OneirosTheWriter, does this mean a starbase at the Betazed homeworld would now cost 50pp, because it's in the Sol sector that already has 2 starbases (Sol, Vega)? That doesn't make sense.
Could we get an exception for member homeworlds that lack a starbase yet are part of a sector that has starbases: Betazed, Gaen (future), Indoria (future), Risa (future)?
I admit; I spooked by how Hawkish the voting is getting in the regions bordering the Sydraxians. People there are scared and they have a right to be. That's why I want to get the Border Zone.
That that we've gone to Defense by Sector, it kind of makes sense. If Betazed is already benefiting from two other starbases in its sector, the Council may feel like a 3rd one is unneeded.
That that we've gone to Defense by Sector, it kind of makes sense. If Betazed is already benefiting from two other starbases in its sector, the Council may feel like a 3rd one is unneeded.
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[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Betazoids plus one
[X][SHIPYARD] Tellar Prime
So, what does everyone think about these ambitions?
[ ][STARFLEET] Enough Excelsiors to Garrison one per sector
[ ][STARFLEET] X Excelsiors built or in production for home fleets.
[ ][STARFLEET] Begin production of an Ambassador
Also, what does everyone think about Tellar Prime?
[X][SHIPYARD] Tellar Prime
So, what does everyone think about these ambitions?
[ ][STARFLEET] Enough Excelsiors to Garrison one per sector
[ ][STARFLEET] X Excelsiors built or in production for home fleets.
[ ][STARFLEET] Begin production of an Ambassador
Also, what does everyone think about Tellar Prime?
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
Starbases are local though. In combat (and maybe event) terms, a starbase at Sol and Vega does nothing for Betazed. Otherwise, there would be little point in getting that starbase at Vega if the Sol starbase suffices.
It would make far more sense for starbases to provide diminishing returns in defense. The first starbase provides 5 defense (1D/4pp), the second provides 4 (1D/5pp), the third provides 3 (1D/6.7pp), etc. Or something along those lines.
I like these two the most, but I'm undecided between them.
I favor Amarkia more as it's going to be even more of a hub when Apiata and Indoria become members.
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Still, Tellar has the advantage of mollifying the Development faction, which sponsored this.
If we also eventually choose 'new Shipyard at Amarkia, 45pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)' and given they already have 'Amarkian Arsenal (2x2.5mt, 2x1mt)' this would make Amarkia the second largest center of shipbuilding in the Federation, after Sol. That title seems to currently be held by Andor.
This is doesn't help move our industry out of the core four members. The places most tempting to me are: Ord Grind Duk, 15 Themis, and Amakria. Ord Grind Duk is currently the central system of the Federation. Given that the next central system appears to be Alukk, I don't want to preempt that shift right now. Meanwhile, 15 Themis puts the shipyard near our resource production, and lets us have industry in a system we otherwise wouldn't.
On the other hand, the Amarkians have been getting left out in the cold an awful lot lately. We've snubbed backing from the Hawks a couple of times now, we didn't want their military police, and Tellar Prime already has a Starfleet shipyard. This last point is most important to me, because I'm a fan of keeping our vital infrastructure distributed.
Actually, I'm hopeful that if we build at Amarkia it might be cheaper to expand on with a shipyard for non-support ships (that is, our normal ships) there later.
I think we are best off putting it over a major world. Good defense, and more importantly an easy supply of personnel and materials. Putting it on a frontier colony world just means there's a huge pain in the ass supply chain to get resources to the shipyards.
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