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[X][NEWS] Allow
-[X] in secret, tell the council and our affiliate governments that we suspect this may be a trick.
-[X] in secret, tell the council and our affiliate governments that we suspect this may be a trick.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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If this WERE the Cardassians maneuvering into attack position, I'd say it was a Cardassian fleet moving to reinforce the Sydraxians. Or for all we know, the Apiata just rolled a fumble on a sensor check.
Note: if this were a war, then the Cardassian fleet looking for the Kadak-Tor is using that as a cover story, and is probably there in part to interfere with any sensor-sweeps we do. Using 'surface combatants' to prevent the enemy from running 'antisubmarine warfare' sweeps is an old trick.
Agreed, but I will note that we probably want to sweep in the general direction of Sarek's position, since I'm pretty sure they just found her.
I would caution you that the Cardassians are not necessarily known for being fully honest with their client states.
Alternatively, we need to make them look like a bunch of morons who have to ask us to give them their own ship back. The shortcut to opening negotiations with Cardassia is to obtain a position of strength, and there are several potential resolutions to this that give us that.
He may also have located the Kadak-Tor.
To be fair, the Cardies would probably not have told the Dawiar what they told them, if they were planning an attack.
Should have a write-in where we tell them that Cardassians may have cloaking abilities and to be on extra alert anyway. That avoids spreading too much of the beans on our Cardassian intel and might avoid inflaming tensions with them to a certain extent.[/quote]My old Epsilon-1 did that, and I would [i]really really hope[/i] that Plan Alpha did too. Although we have no way of knowing given that Plan Alpha was a blurb and didn't really talk much about actions other than "ships go here."
[QUOTE="Yeangst, post: 7309388, member: 7757"]I don't think we should send an entire fleet. If what the Sarek's tracking is actually the target, then she can handle the sitiuation herself. The other Explorers should be looking around in the general vicinity, but not in the same place as the Sarek to spread as wide a net as possible.
I agree with your news vote, though.[/QUOTE]Fifth Fleet and the other two Explorer Corps ships are a long distance away from [i]Sarek[/i] at the moment, and there's little danger of them clumping up uselessly or pointlessly. While [i]Sarek[/i] could probably, [i]probably[/i] handle the stealth cruiser in a fight, we hope, it would be much better to have multiple ships handy.
For one, if there's a fight against the stealth cruiser, well... it took two explorers to stop a combat-cloaked ship last time, and that was only a Bird-of-Prey, not a [i]Kaldar[/i] with firepower comparable to a Connie or a Rennie.
For another, if we don't fight the stealth cruiser, the Cardassian fleet looking for the [i]Kadak-Tor[/i] may come zooming in to regain possession of their ship. [i]Sarek[/i] can't repel a fleet that size alone. All three Explorer Corps ships put together would have trouble doing it. Four [i]Excelsiors[/i] and a [i]Constitution-A[/i], on the other hand, plus smaller support ships that are solid in their own right... now those are the kind of odds I like.
Let's send in [s]First[/s] Fifth Fleet.
[QUOTE="Yeangst, post: 7309467, member: 7757"]Sarek seems to have found something around -5e.
There's another signature around 2f; send the nearest explorer there.
Send another explorer to search -4d
Everyone else stays put.[/QUOTE]What is this with only sending out explorers alone? And have you actually looked at the map?
First of all, the signature around 2f is up by Apiata and Sydraxian space. It's roughly five map spaces from the nearest Federation explorer.
Secondly, a lone explorer searching for the stealth cruiser might [i]lose[/i], if there's a fight, and would definitely be unable to protect the stealth cruiser from a Cardassian fleet showing up to reclaim it. And the [i]Kadak-Tor[/i] has a much better chance of escaping the eyes of a single ship searching for it than it does of escaping the eyes of an entire fleet.
We should send a fleet, if only so we aren't vulnerable to Cardassian bullying when their fleet arrives in the area, which it will soon.
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Firstly, it's a great movie and I highly recommend watching it
second: Yes, it's about a rogue Soviet captain. He 'steals' (sort of, it's complicated) a prototype nuclear missile sub with an experimental 'silent drive'... the short version of that, is it's basically a ramjet underwater. Before the Red October (the name of the Russian sub) leaves port, the captain mails a letter to the head of the soviet navy announcing the intention of the captain and senior officers to defect to the US... at which point the soviets scramble their navy in an attempt to find and sink the Red October... Meanwhile the USN is freaking out over the massive and (apparently) uncoordinated fleet movement. A CIA analyst (who knows the captain) thinks the Red October is defecting, but the Russian ambassador says the letter that was sent said the captain intends to fire his nukes on the US (he's got a good dozen aboard) in an attempt to get the USN to help them destroy the prototype.
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I watched The Hunt For Red October after the 2310.Q1.M1.W1 update and it was definitely worth watching. Not a perfect movie by any means, but definitely a good one overall.
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With respect to @Briefvoice, I like his orders for First Fifth Fleet.
I wish I felt confident drafting orders for what to do on the coreward front, because if this is a war, we've just gotten indications of what might well be a Cardie fleet moving to reinforce the Sydraxians up to a level at which they would have the strength to launch major offensives, not just raids.
I've got one idea, which I'm adding as a yes-and to my vote.
I will note that I have my own opinions regarding the news- I favor releasing the news because I think that humiliating the Cardassians may actually be a positive development here. Remember what our psychoanalysis of them is- they're used to negotiating from a position of strength, or weakness. But that doesn't mean they will unthinkingly attack from a position of equality just because they're embarrassed and have lost face.
We need to do something that forces the Cardassians to cut the nonsense and admit they actually need to ask us for something. This crisis has the potential to bring about that outcome.
Anyway, my vote... I'm not sure how to make this work. Could people more vote-savvy advise me? I want to propose that we do what Briefvoice says, AND something else totally unrelated. Specifically, I want us to ask two member worlds to reinforce two of our numbered fleets on the coreward frontier. Just in case that actually is a Cardassian flanking attack.
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[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
I wish I felt confident drafting orders for what to do on the coreward front, because if this is a war, we've just gotten indications of what might well be a Cardie fleet moving to reinforce the Sydraxians up to a level at which they would have the strength to launch major offensives, not just raids.
I've got one idea, which I'm adding as a yes-and to my vote.
I will note that I have my own opinions regarding the news- I favor releasing the news because I think that humiliating the Cardassians may actually be a positive development here. Remember what our psychoanalysis of them is- they're used to negotiating from a position of strength, or weakness. But that doesn't mean they will unthinkingly attack from a position of equality just because they're embarrassed and have lost face.
We need to do something that forces the Cardassians to cut the nonsense and admit they actually need to ask us for something. This crisis has the potential to bring about that outcome.
Anyway, my vote... I'm not sure how to make this work. Could people more vote-savvy advise me? I want to propose that we do what Briefvoice says, AND something else totally unrelated. Specifically, I want us to ask two member worlds to reinforce two of our numbered fleets on the coreward frontier. Just in case that actually is a Cardassian flanking attack.
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[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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Also, the sensor lieutenant on the Sarek needs a name so we can give her a medal if her readings wind up being what we hope they are.
lbmaian
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I'm assuming the following:
* Ambassador project starts before 2315 and prototype finishs before 2325.
* New escort project (whether New Orleans or custom design) starts before 2320 and prototype finishs before 2325. I'm not sure how soon we're actually starting an escort project but I'm giving it some extra time since we're focusing on explorer techs at the moment. Even if we could start it the year after the Ambassador project starts, the prototype probably wouldn't finish by 2320.
So from now til about 2325 (or 2320 if you're being optimistic), we have this escort tech gap. I find it probable that there's going to be war with Cardassia before then, if this impending crisis isn't going to lead to one already. So that means the only escort choices we have are the Centaur-A/B and the Miranda-A.
edit: grammar
If you're talking about Briefvoice's ship build planning spreadsheet, here:
Boldly Go Shipbuild
I revised my opinion later. I'm now no longer that convinced that this isn't a ruse for a Cardassian invasion or raid.
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Neat. Assuming this is a similar situation would be cool to have them defect to the Federation.
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Well, this could still be a ruse, or it could still NOT be a ruse.
It could even be that this is not a ruse, and yet it is an attack plan. The Cardassians may be pre-positioning forces for an attack they haven't decided to launch yet (in the Doctor Strangelove scenario).
The ominous contact around 2f could be a Cardassian fleet... but then again, it could be a space whale. Or it could be a lone Cardassian ship the Apiata mistook for many such ships- it wouldn't be the first time they've overestimated the numbers of Cardassian ships operating in their region of space.
EDIT:
This is why I'm trying to craft my vote to reinforce the coreward frontier with member world ships- so we are prepared, with strong fleets that can repel even a strong attack, in the event of a Cardassian assault from that direction.
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@Derek58 , @Muramasa , @Erandil , @Leila Hann , do any of you have opinions about the [FLEET] vote? You didn't vote one way or the other on that as far as I can tell.
Several people do.
Muramasa
Best Girl
[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
lbmaian
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Hmm, good point. I still want to privately caution affiliates that the missing ship thing may be a ruse though.
This is what your vote looks like when either partitioning by line or block:
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 584 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
Task: FLEET
[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
No. of Votes: 1
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Task: NEWS
[X][NEWS] Allow
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 1
##### NetTally 1.7.4
Task: FLEET
[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
No. of Votes: 1
——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: NEWS
[X][NEWS] Allow
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 1
So it depends on whether Oneiros would simply take the top most plan, or the lines/blocks with majority vote.
To make a single plan, I believe it needs to be something like:
[X][FLEET] Plan Beg Member Fleets for Assistance
-[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
-[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
-[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
-[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
-[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
-[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Allow
(can't test that with a post preview, so try it and I'll confirm)
Regarding the vote itself, still gathering my thoughts.
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@OneirosTheWriter, how do you feel about the FLEET vote? There's no obvious reason it shouldn't be a line-item vote, as long as no options are mutually exclusive.
I suggest you count up the number of people who voted in the FLEET vote at the end of the vote, and carry out whatever options are approved, so long as they have 50% or greater support among the voters.
So for instance, if 29 people vote on fleet maneuvers, any option that earns more than 15 votes would be carried out. Does that make sense?
[This issue is probably going to come up repeatedly; I think we need a viable line-item mechanism for issuing orders to our fleets, because otherwise it will be nearly impossible for us to make and implement any decisions other than canned options]
I suggest you count up the number of people who voted in the FLEET vote at the end of the vote, and carry out whatever options are approved, so long as they have 50% or greater support among the voters.
So for instance, if 29 people vote on fleet maneuvers, any option that earns more than 15 votes would be carried out. Does that make sense?
[This issue is probably going to come up repeatedly; I think we need a viable line-item mechanism for issuing orders to our fleets, because otherwise it will be nearly impossible for us to make and implement any decisions other than canned options]
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[X][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Deny
The Ambassador, if we delay it to Canon time, will have the benefit of better techs. Whether those techs will be good enough to justify a delay is still up for debate.
With current planning, the Science escort or MESS will be commissioned in 2325-8 with tier 3 techs.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
[X][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
[X][NEWS] Deny
The Ambassador, if we delay it to Canon time, will have the benefit of better techs. Whether those techs will be good enough to justify a delay is still up for debate.
With current planning, the Science escort or MESS will be commissioned in 2325-8 with tier 3 techs.
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I'm rephrasing my vote as a plan. Please note that this plan is not mutually exclusive with @Briefvoice's vote, but people may want to look this plan over- @aeqnai , @UbeOne , you in particular may want to consider that. @Muramasa, @AlphaDelta, I would like to suggest that you switch over to voting for this plan- it's identical to what you already voted for.
[X's removed for conservation]
[][FLEET] Plan Sweep and Shield
-[][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
-[][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
-[][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
Basically, Briefvoice's idea to 'sweep' sounds like a good one to me, but since we do have indications that we may be facing more ships than we expect on the coreward front, I want to put solid defensive concentrations up there that can seriously interfere with any fleets trying to hit us from 'behind' while the bulk of Starfleet engages the Cardassians to rimward and to spinward.
Edit: In unrelated news, I am also voting to make that press release...
[][NEWS] Allow
[X's removed for conservation]
[][FLEET] Plan Sweep and Shield
-[][FLEET] Fifth Fleet should link up with the S'Harien and the Enterprise in -4d to try and locate the Kadak-Tor, taking guidance from the Sarek when it reports in.
-[][FLEET] Ask the Amarki to dispatch a flotilla (preferably 5-7 ships, headed up by a Riala) to Tales Har to reinforce Second Fleet.
-[][FLEET] Ask the Betazoids to dispatch a squadron (say, 3-4 ships) to Vega to reinforce First Fleet.
Basically, Briefvoice's idea to 'sweep' sounds like a good one to me, but since we do have indications that we may be facing more ships than we expect on the coreward front, I want to put solid defensive concentrations up there that can seriously interfere with any fleets trying to hit us from 'behind' while the bulk of Starfleet engages the Cardassians to rimward and to spinward.
Edit: In unrelated news, I am also voting to make that press release...
[][NEWS] Allow
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aledeth
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[X][FLEET] Plan Sweep and Shield
[X][NEWS] Deny
Cardassians don't deal well with humiliation, but at the same time I hate not telling our affiliates what's going on. I wish we could just tell the various Heads-of-State what's up, but that feels too much like trying to eat our cake and have it too.
[X][NEWS] Deny
Cardassians don't deal well with humiliation, but at the same time I hate not telling our affiliates what's going on. I wish we could just tell the various Heads-of-State what's up, but that feels too much like trying to eat our cake and have it too.
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I getcha.
That being said, while Cardassians don't deal well with humiliation, I think part of the reason for the last five years of troubles with them is that they don't grasp that we can humiliate them. Fight and maybe even defeat them, yes, but not humiliate them. They don't comprehend the real nature of our political, economic, and technological strengths. Especially since our explorers have been so focused around Dawiar space in the past couple of years that they haven't really been pulling the full measure of 'mess with the Cardassians' they did before.
Any process of bringing the Cardassians to the negotiating table before or without a major war is probably going to require us to embarrass the Cardassians a few times, just so they grasp that they've finally bumped into a peer competitor who will not submit to them under any circumstances.
Muramasa
Best Girl
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Your vote currently doesn't include the [NEWS] option, that is if you were planning to have one.
Your vote currently doesn't include the [NEWS] option, that is if you were planning to have one.