Creating an immunity virus that protects everyone with implants from being influenced seems relatively Federation. After all they did make a bioweapon against the Changelings, and created a Vaccine for the Biophase, so a 'Mind-Control Vaccine' that spreads like a Virus should be very Trek-y.
 
The idea that they're a separate species or ethnicity has always confused me. Like, would I stop being human if I were uploaded? The idea, frankly, insults me.
 
The idea that they're a separate species or ethnicity has always confused me. Like, would I stop being human if I were uploaded? The idea, frankly, insults me.
You (probably) wouldn't stop being human but the Singers, at least the original ones, became Singers in the 13th to 14th century. That is over a millennium of divergence from the baseline Horizoanian. For comparison the Romulans are generally considered a separate, if closely related, species and they only diverged two thousand years ago. The standards for forming a new ethnic are a lot lower then that.

Hell this could even be see with Zarael. In this update she goes on about how while they wiped out the Horizons culture so they could rebuild it better the Singers themselves kept the old culture of the Imrael alive. So even if you argue that the Singers themselves don't make a separate ethnic group based on her comments it would be pretty hard to deny they are the last remnants of the Imrael (at least in this corner of the galaxy).

Zarael even explicitly says this:
"In that sense we Singers have remembered our origins very well. We make entirely new mistakes." says the other woman, flickering shadows cast on her face, "And so my framework is still very much Imrael at heart.
 
You (probably) wouldn't stop being human but the Singers, at least the original ones, became Singers in the 13th to 14th century. That is over a millennium of divergence from the baseline Horizoanian. For comparison the Romulans are generally considered a separate, if closely related, species and they only diverged two thousand years ago. The standards for forming a new ethnic are a lot lower then that.

Hell this could even be see with Zarael. In this update she goes on about how while they wiped out the Horizons culture so they could rebuild it better the Singers themselves kept the old culture of the Imrael alive. So even if you argue that the Singers themselves don't make a separate ethnic group based on her comments it would be pretty hard to deny they are the last remnants of the Imrael (at least in this corner of the galaxy).

I don't buy it. they bring in new blood regularly. They happen to contain the last bit of a long dead culture, but it's not just that culture. Like I said earlier, the singers don't really fit into any existing box. but even if they do then all that means is this is a fantastic situation where the reasons genocide is bad don't apply.

Personally, I see them more akin to an organization. a secret society a few thousand members strong that is using mind control to enslave everyone.
 
I don't buy it. they bring in new blood regularly. They happen to contain the last bit of a long dead culture, but it's not just that culture. Like I said earlier, the singers don't really fit into any existing box. but even if they do then all that means is this is a fantastic situation where the reasons genocide is bad don't apply.

Personally, I see them more akin to an organization. a secret society a few thousand members strong that is using mind control to enslave everyone.

Perhaps Organization XIII would be the best fit. They are derived from normal people, but are brainwashed (and in the Organization's case the process of becoming one screws them up) into committing mass murder, theft, espionage, and generally just don't care about the people they do it to beyond how they're useful to the cause.
 
Can we please stop writing small essays on why it's okay to kill all the Singers? Please? Can we just...allow for another possibility, or at least not lavish our attention on the "KILL THEM ALL" option? Please?
 
You want to know what I want to happen to the Singers (and know won't)?
I'd like to see the Q or equivalent GLE rip them out of their servers and forcibly incarnate them in their original organic bodies. Although with recent revelations about the Pakleds, having the Singers try to take over a sufficiently advanced alien only to get effortlessly counterhacked would also work for me.

Such a Deus ex Machina would be decidedly unsatisfying to most of the playerbase, but there is just something appealing about them getting slapped down for their hubris.
 
You want to know what I want to happen to the Singers (and know won't)?

No, I really, really don't. One of the things I like about SV is the lack of revenge-fantasies that are so endemic to fanfiction. So I'm seriously don't like how often people post their revenge fantasy about "defeating" the Singers, an SV-creation. These are fictional characters in a fictional setting. They exist to be defeated by the heroes, not tortured.
 
NEW TOPIC.

I have been stupidly slack in writing new Camasura Omakes (you guys remember Orion Batman, yes?).

I have vague ideas but wouldn't mind a few prompts...

Any requests? I'm planning to back-date some stuff to during the war against the Syndicate. But also try to make a couple more recent ones.
 
NEW TOPIC.

I have been stupidly slack in writing new Camasura Omakes (you guys remember Orion Batman, yes?).

I have vague ideas but wouldn't mind a few prompts...

Any requests? I'm planning to back-date some stuff to during the war against the Syndicate. But also try to make a couple more recent ones.

Orion Batman gets a Robin?
A version of a classic Batman villen shows up?
A first rooftop encounter with the police commissioner.
 
No, I really, really don't. One of the things I like about SV is the lack of revenge-fantasies that are so endemic to fanfiction. So I'm seriously don't like how often people post their revenge fantasy about "defeating" the Singers, an SV-creation. These are fictional characters in a fictional setting. They exist to be defeated by the heroes, not tortured.
What I want to happen to the Singers involves a time machine, a starship, and the evacuation of a small population of very confused and unhappy schoolgirls from their home planet that tragically experienced a nuclear holocaust just a few short months earlier.

They can then enjoy tea parties with future Yrillian tea party aficionados, because Yrillian tea parties are funny.

Sadly, this would create many paradoxes, and so cannot be implemented by today's Federation.
 
NEW TOPIC.

I have been stupidly slack in writing new Camasura Omakes (you guys remember Orion Batman, yes?).

I have vague ideas but wouldn't mind a few prompts...

Any requests? I'm planning to back-date some stuff to during the war against the Syndicate. But also try to make a couple more recent ones.
He starts tracking down that weird probe that crashed on Shirjat 15ish years ago.
 
It's the omake where I introduced Orion!Superman, because where better to have socialist fairytailes. Timeline wasn't nailed down then, though.

Here.
So we know of Orion Batman, but it feels incomplete, for some strange reason...:grin:
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Worlds' Finest

On the world of Shirjat, on some deep, unwatched stretch of road, a duo walked-- a man and a woman, green-skinned Orions, hands laced together as they went, the simple people of a simple place. "I know what the doctors said, Daz. But there are always kids needing adoption!" She was long-haired, bright-eyed. A teacher. Petite, and small limed, she was no grand titan.

"I know, Thera, but...I dunno." He looks to the stars, sighs. His eyes narrow, and almost thoughtlessly he points. "Wait, wait, okay hold that thought. Is...is that star moving?" One of the grunts of the hypercorps, close-cropped hair kept near his green scalp. His eyes were a deep brown, filled with compassion-- though now confusion, the same as his laced, frightened brow. He was tall, by Orion standards.

Thera followed his finger, looking up. "Wait, huh, you're right. You suppose it's some sort of exercise by the Union, a ship?"

"Whatever it is, it's getting bigger. Actually..." His eyes go wide, "A lot bigger! And a lot closer!"

And indeed in the skies above, a great light was shining brighter, growing larger, fiercer, fierier. In moments had doubled in size from its first sighting, and growing bigger, quicker with every second. First a little dot in the sky, now a growing circle, quickly growing to block sight of all the other stellar objects in the sky.

A moment later, there was a bang not unlike a rocket-propelled hammer striking a chunk of woznium next to the ears of both Orions. A space-craft, sleek and shining like something from Earth's twentieth century, went quickly overhead, passing out of sight. It streaked fire and smoke as it went, like a bleeding wound opened in the dark night sky, weeping fiery-blood and spark alike, so terrible the heat of atmospheric entry as the alien craft went, swift, from many thousands of miles to a quick-ish-stop.

A moment later, it slammed into the earth, with an even greater bang as it did.

The two Orions raced where they had seen the crash, a green field-- one of the few on the planet. Inside, the hunk of steel smoked, steaming in various bits. It was a simple craft, really, simply a long, almost bullet shaped body, some sort of engine at the back, with two wings affixed, made of what almost looked like red chrome. The body was split into two parts, an opaque front with a diamond symbol burned into it. The rest was hard metal, shaded blue and brightly shining, scarcely scratched by the hard landing.

For it had been a hard landing. There was a crater at least ten meters long, though shallow. Thera and Daz stared, wide-eyed and from a healthy enough distance. Neither spoke. Thera bit her nails, even as Daz crouched, trying to hide from sight. They did not so much as breathe too deeply, such was their fear. Sweat ran down their foreheads.

Something bumped inside.

Daz moved.

"What are you doing?"

Ignoring her, the Orion walked slowly, carefully, calmly, but unflappably towards this strange ark, carrying its unknown payload. Thera hissed and a moment later began to follow, curses running through her mind all the while. It was slow going, this careful walk, designed in hope of not frightening whatever may be inside that ship.

Finally, Daz reached the vessel. Drawn by some inexorable power, he placed his hand on the thing's carven glyph. Though strange, it seemed to fill him with something...unknown. Some sort of odd emotion.

Then it started scanning him, some projector from the door shining a bright golden light on him. It ran from head to toe, drinking him in once, twice, thrice. Once that was over the ship started beeping, slowly but surely growing in all intensity.

"Daz!"
"Thera!"

She raced towards him, but by the time she reached him it had already finished. A seam appeared in the rocket's face where there had been none before. Terrible machines crafted by far alien intelligence worked their terrible science, grinding open, slowly but surely. Steam poured from it.

"Are we dead yet?"

"If we die, I promise, you can tell me I told you so."

"I probably won't feel like it at that point."

Slowly, the door began to grind open. The (Padded?) inside of the rocket was exposed, a calm blue, deep and reassuring. At the floor of its current orientation there was a crystal, long and thin, laying on the bottom; it too had a symbol like the one on the front of the ship worked into. Slowly, surely, a plinth the thing was slotted in started to rise up from the floor, a circular column with the thing worked into it.

A message began to play from it, a recorded hologram of a white haired, tired old man, clad all in white:
"Encased in this vessel lies the last memory of my people. We grew arrogant in our power, and did not look to the stars until it was too late. The planet's core grew unstable, mere random misfortune growing beneath our feet. There was no chance left, to save us; we were dead long ago, we simply did not realize it. No way to move us all, from this doomed cradle; no way to save everyone. Therefore I have sent into the stars our last legacy, to save what I can. Firstly-"

"Wait, firstly?"

"- A crystal, etched with the history, and culture, and remembrance of my people-- from our golden heights, to the lowest depths to which we sunk. All of this in the hopes our mistakes can be learned from, even if we cannot learn the lessons.

But more than that, I leave you, whosoever finds this poor doomed vessel, one last request, from a father who never did receive the chance:"

The second gift was revealed as the door opened more, a giggling baby swaddled in red and blue.

"Save my son."

Daz grabbed the baby, holding the giggling child in his arms.

"We have to find someone-"

"No. No, you think we can trust the descendants of hypercorps to not try and cut this baby apart to see if they can't make some kind of profit off an unknown species, never mind the crystal? No. No, we are not letting them hurt this boy."

Thera looked at the baby, harsh at first-- though her eyes softened quickly. "Fine." She started tickling the baby, making him laugh. "But what do we call him?"

"No idea, but I'm sure we can think of something." Daz pocketed the crystal. "Now let's go-- even out here, I'd bet someone will be along quick."

And so the two left, leaving the empty rocket behind.
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Personal Log
(Vulcan, Male)

Gencilisi is a formidable woman, she has an intensely focused manner and is making a quick study on the fundamentals of not only Starfleet Naval architecture, but is also making quick work of Huascar's onboard archives of member shipwright techniques.

She also has a keen mind for cultural and political matters and has spent as much time inquiring about matters of Federation politics and culture as she has on starship design.

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Captain's Log, Stardate 24190.1, USS Huascar, Captain Stol
(EC-Ambassador, Spinward)

It appears that the revelation of my work with Mistress Gencilisi on Urubamba has caused something of an uproar in Mandoro society, as she has deliberately presented her new design as a fusion of traditional Mandoro elements and foreign inspirations into something wholly new.

Overnight she has become a polarizing figure in Mandoro society, acting as a lighting rod for all those disgruntled with the current political and artistic climate. Though she has been ejected from the Mandoro government, her social media follower count grows hourly as she talks about her ideas for fusing Mandoro techniques with foriegn inspired ideas.

Fortunately the Mandoro government's ire seems reserved for Mistress Gencilisi and her rapidly growing ranks of followers at the moment and not at Huascar or the Federation itself, seeming to view us simply naive bystanders.

Personal Log
(Vulcan, Male)

While, officially, as per the Prime Directive, I have no opinion on internal Mandoro matters; I personally believe that the most logical course of action for the Mandoro to pursue is the course laid out by Gencilisi and I desire nothing but success for her in her endeavours and am eager to see what has transpired when next we visit.
Just curious, is Stol married/engaged?
 
What I want to happen to the Singers involves a time machine, a starship, and the evacuation of a small population of very confused and unhappy schoolgirls from their home planet that tragically experienced a nuclear holocaust just a few short months earlier.

They can then enjoy tea parties with future Yrillian tea party aficionados, because Yrillian tea parties are funny.

Sadly, this would create many paradoxes, and so cannot be implemented by today's Federation.

Although it does raise an interesting question, could we one day temporally engineer the past (and perhaps the future) to be as perfect or at least ideal as possible? Or perhaps such ability will be constrained by other equally powerful temporal powers, in cold wars (such as the Temporal Cold War of the 31st century) as either side isn't confident they could override the other side's history before their own history is warped so they either never existed or perhaps more insidiously were always loyal to their original foes? Perhaps that would be the ultimate assimilation, to make so the time when a policy was divergent from your cause never existed, where a you that wasn't completely devoted to their cause never existed.

Or since the Kevin timeline seems to suggest that changes in time merely split the timeline into two alternative universes, perhaps this only makes an infinity of universes where a faction gets alt-history power wanked, each and every group and individual possible have built a utopia as they understand the term. Leaving behind a so much greater infinity of universes that are various degrees of altered, cast aside in the pursuit of perfection.

Perhaps that's why time travel ex machinas are so unreliable and at least some time travelers try not to change history (although I doubt how much that could really help unless the timeline is flexible before splitting), as there's always a universe where the effects never occurred. Which makes time traveling I much grimmer task if you know that one version of your family will never see you again. Perhaps 3 out of 4 families, if you account for the timeline splitting when one goes back in time and again to return to one's native time.
 
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Although it does raise an interesting question, could we one day temporally engineer the past (and perhaps the future) to be as perfect or at least ideal as possible? Or perhaps such ability will be constrained by other equally powerful temporal powers, in cold wars as either side isn't confident they could override the other side's history before their own history is warped so they either never existed or perhaps more insidiously were always loyal to their original foes? Perhaps that would be the ultimate assimilation, to make so the time when a policy was divergent from your cause never existed, where a you that wasn't completely devoted to their cause never existed.

Or since the Kevin timeline seems to suggest that changes in time merely split the timeline into two alternative universes, perhaps this only makes an infinity of universes where a faction gets alt-history power wanked, each and every group and individual possible have built a utopia as they understand the term. Leaving behind a so much greater infinity of universes that are various degrees of altered, cast aside in the pursuit of perfection.

Perhaps that's why time travel ex machinas are so unreliable and at least some time travellers try not to change history (although I doubt how much that could really help unless the timeline is flexible before splitting), as there's always a universe where the effects never occurred. Which makes time travelling I much grimmer task if you know that one version of your family will never see you again. Perhaps 3 out of 4 families, if you account for the timeline splitting when one goes back in time and again to return to one's native time.
None of this would be implemented as the Federation has a hardline, deadset rule against altering time to suit our desires. Fixing timelines to the best of our ability when outside forces act on it are ok though.
 
None of this would be implemented as the Federation has a hardline, deadset rule against altering time to suit our desires. Fixing timelines to the best of our ability when outside forces act on it are ok though.

If we continue to endorse this policy (which is hard to know considering that even if we do for trillions of years it can still all be undone in an instant thanks to the nature of temporal affairs) that still means that we believe there is a timeline that is 'meant' to be, the 'real' timeline, that we would preserve as closely as possible. And I suspect that there are going to be many, many groups and individuals that disagree, perhaps because they would otherwise not exist.

It's an interesting thought experiment, would we alter time in order to maximize the number of individuals alive or maximize their lifespan? Perhaps Prime Directive means that to change too much would hamper a culture's development, but can't we ensure that the most cultures and species have the chance to flourish across the entirety of history (including the future) by preventing existential threats from destroying them?
 
I suspect it's more a case of "oh fuck, don't break anything!" and similar expressions of utter terror.

I'm sure that fear of, as a certain video game franchise puts it, 'unforseen consequences' is a factor in Federation reasoning, but what I've heard about Temporal Prime Directive tends to coat its reasoning in morality, that to change time is as immoral as interfering with non-warp capable culture's. It would be ironic indeed that the service know for reckless bravery and curiosity in the face of the unknown would draw the line in paying terror at the know. Or perhaps inentirely in character.
 
HELLO FRIENDS

I RETURN FROM TWO WEEKS OF VACATION.

ALL FULL OF ENERGY!

Just curious, is Stol married/engaged?

I believe that I've intended for Stol to be unattached at this time.

Although it does raise an interesting question, could we one day temporally engineer the past (and perhaps the future) to be as perfect or at least ideal as possible? Or perhaps such ability will be constrained by other equally powerful temporal powers, in cold wars (such as the Temporal Cold War of the 31st century)

NOTE: These are entirely my own beliefs and not at all speaking ex cathedra as a QM (And a belief that I've mentioned way back, well before I was a QM, and considered as a possible Kuznetsova wild guessing Omake):

My personal diegetic headcanon for why the TBG timeline/canon divergences exist are that To Boldly Go... is the result of the temporal cold war going hot and fought to the finish (presumably because Archer didn't kill enough Nazis) where all sides essentially reduced themselves back to infrastructural basics. (Hence us in this section of the timeline originating Office 0, and contact up and down the timeline being very limited compared to Enterprise S1 and later.) Things like Kirk's original 5YM and other well established TOS entries were considered an integral core experience that was so key to defining the Federation's history that it was carefully protected wherever possible (Not to mention Kirk being involved in so many non-Temporal Cold war temporal infractions that are core to the Federation side's eventual development of the technology/theory)

If you need a canonical, in-universe, reason for the places where TBG... directly conflicts with established canon, especially in the details, you can assume they were changed during the Temporal Hot War. So the Amarki exist possibly because something changed that allowed them to flourish as a major player in this time and place, and other groups (Like episode of the week Enterprise races that pop up once and then vanish forever) were eliminated during the fighting to the point were no one remembers them -or were changed to a degree that they go by different names and have a different culture in this final settled, post time war, timeline. You can imagine that unreferenced things still exist "off-screen" in a recognizable fashion but direct contradictions can be chalked up to the effects of the Temporal Hot War.

As far as the thing about engineering a "utopian" timeline goes... that's basically what the Vulcans of the Imperial Technocracy were researching how to do when Enterprise-C crashed into Looking-Glass Sol and helped trap Charon Base in a pocket universe.

Perhaps that's why time travel ex machinas are so unreliable and at least some time travelers try not to change history (although I doubt how much that could really help unless the timeline is flexible before splitting), as there's always a universe where the effects never occurred. Which makes time traveling I much grimmer task if you know that one version of your family will never see you again. Perhaps 3 out of 4 families, if you account for the timeline splitting when one goes back in time and again to return to one's native time.

Again my personal, NON-ex Cathedra, view is that due to some property of temporal physics that is obviously completely unknown to us mere 21st century Humans timelines that don't greatly diverge posses some sort of "temporal inertia" or whatever that tend to have them act as a single timeline that is fairly resistant to paradoxes in ways that we have trouble grasping. But essentially most changes don't create an infinite number of diverging parallel universes, they just fray the edges of the silk ribbon that is a single unified timeline or "Universe" in the "Multiverse" that is all of possible timelines.

Other "clusters" of timelines eventually diverge into different "parallel universes" (Perhaps because something is MASSIVELY changed so far down the timeline that things look similar now but the physics somewhere else are completely incompatible due to divergences now. Fluidic space, and some other exotic physics "dimensions" are perhaps just "contemporary" examples of this major incompatibility of physics in action having diverged far enough back that we exist as very different parallel universes). The canonical so-called "Mirror", and "Kelvin" universes and our own homegrown "Looking-Glass" universe are examples of this process.

(Parallels involves an exotic process that "broke" our universe and it started spitting out Enterprises from timelines that usually exist as part of that shared strand and didn't pull in ones from other "Universes", which explains why they were all Galaxy class vessels with recognizable similarities in crew and culture. Hell, all were Enterprises!)

The threat that was posed by the Vulcan Imperial Technocracy indicates that it may be possible to "merge" these divergent parallel timelines by outside interaction, where it would never happen internally. Seemingly because the Vulcan threat was that they'd start eating away at neighboring timelines, possibly fraying them to the point that whatever nebulous temporal inertia kept them apart would fail to prevent paradoxes and our timeline would melt into their theirs. And there is the worry that they would keep doing that farther and farther back in time to anyone even remotely possible of challenging them, thus turning all Universes with contemporary compatible physics into a single, bloated and impossibly hard to change timeline/universe. (A possibility that Office 0, or at least someone on our side seems to have been aware of judging by Chekov's presence in Sol at that precise moment)

You do realize that is also a rule about "don't break this shit please"? Like, the Prime Directive was moralized a lot about on Voyager to be sure but at its core it's not a moral rule, it's about not doing damage.

I do like that Year of Hell devoted time to explaining how much damage butterflies can do, even with the most meticulous of calculations and preparations. And that time travel should be mostly defensive measure against other time-travelers, (where you're advised by people further up the time chain than you, and you work with people farther back to change as little as possible from what's proven to work and not break the universe over it's knee.) presumably because fraying the momentum of the silk ribbon that makes up your "Universe" with paradoxes can get you enveloped by neighboring "universes" (Some of which, the Mirror, and Looking-Glass, in particular can be quite nasty)
 
Again my personal, NON-ex Cathedra, view is that due to some property of temporal physics that is obviously completely unknown to us mere 21st century Humans timelines that don't greatly diverge posses some sort of "temporal inertia" or whatever that tend to have them act as a single timeline that is fairly resistant to paradoxes in ways that we have trouble grasping. But essentially most changes don't create an infinite number of diverging parallel universes, they just fray the edges of the silk ribbon that is a single unified timeline or "Universe" in the "Multiverse" that is all of possible timelines.

I mean.

This isn't even a weird idea, it's just phrased weirdly. We talk about butterflies, but the universe is not a blank slate. The butterfly flaps their wings and produces a hurricane ignores that when the butterfly flaps, winds already exist, and the flap of the wings could be swallowed without a trace, unable to alter the prevailing winds. Unless you're running around going DELETE DELETE on whole planets or targeting extremely rare confluences of events like Zephram Cochrane just happening to do his warp test when the Vulcans were in the neighborhood, most of the time you could time-travel back to a random point in history, try to change things, and simply get eaten alive by the prevailing trends and forces without making an impact. The state of the universe usually has a logic to it, and if overcoming it were simple it would already be different.
 
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I mean.

This isn't even a weird idea, it's just phrased weirdly. We talk about butterflies, but the universe is not a blank slate. The butterfly flaps their wings and produces a hurricane ignores that when the butterfly flaps, winds already exist, and the flap of the wings could be swallowed without a trace, unable to alter the prevailing winds. Unless you're running around going DELETE DELETE on whole planets or targeting extremely rare confluences of events like Zephram Cochrane just happening to do his warp test when the Vulcans were in the neighborhood, most of the time you could time-travel back to a random point in history, try to change things, and simply get eaten alive by the prevailing trends and forces without making an impact. The state of the universe usually has a logic to it, and if overcoming it were simple it would already be different.

Yeah, giving the radio to Romans might change things, or whatever prevailing religion of the time might declare them heretical and get them banned, assuming you even stick around long enough to bother with the necessary infrastructure.
 
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