The Borg are probably barely a thousand years old according to the Vaadwar guy in Canon and the Dominion have been around for a little over 2000 years old in Canon. The Borg and Dominion cant wipe out civilizations with a thought. The people I am talking about are Canon only to TBG and can wipe out entire species with a thought.

I think you're mixing up the names.
 
I think an appropriately trekky answer is to develop a vaccine against mind control and somehow distribute it into the Harmony.
 
"We successfully infected him, but he keeps ignoring the indoctrination, and memory modification also doesn't work - what is this creature?"
"Stubborn."

...that does beg the question, how effective is the singers mind manipulation on people who know about the manipulation and resist? I dont recall ever seeing anyone who knew being manipulated. Other than they crazy kelowans that is, and they broke free enough to break free completely. And if the singers can force the issue and manipulate people who know what they are doing can they actually do that for the whole harmony at once? Can they do it to the whole harmony at once with external powers constantly reminding them of the truth?
 
Good questions. Now, what happens if the answer would be "they can, but only for about 20% of the current population"?
 
I think experience with godslaying is more of a Klingon thing.
I bet in the Padani archives there could also be found some funny anecdotes ...
A klingon paladin who's studied padani digital security techniques is the perfect counter to the Harmony.
I can just imagine some bizarre bonding occurring between Padani and Klingon diplomats, over how they killed their respective gods.

...actually, that brings to mind an interesting question! Do we know if the ISC has opened formal diplomatic relations with the Cardassians, Klingons, and Romulans? Because now I'm imagining the ISC diplomats to those empires having lunch with their UFP counterparts to mutually vent about dealing with horrible regimes.
 
I can just imagine some bizarre bonding occurring between Padani and Klingon diplomats, over how they killed their respective gods.

...actually, that brings to mind an interesting question! Do we know if the ISC has opened formal diplomatic relations with the Cardassians, Klingons, and Romulans? Because now I'm imagining the ISC diplomats to those empires having lunch with their UFP counterparts to mutually vent about dealing with horrible regimes.

I suspect the ISC has a bureau in the Federation Embassy on Rihan and have to ride across the Neutral Zone as part of the Federation delegation... and their people even count towards the Federation's diplomat count because we're just difficult that way.

> : V

I do think that relations with the Cardassians exist due to their contact in the GBZ.
 
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I suspect the ISC has a bureau in the Federation Embassy on Rihan and have to ride across the Neutral Zone as part of the Federation delegation... and their people even count towards the Federation's diplomat count because we're just difficult that way.

> : V

I do think that relations with the Cardassians exist due to their contact in the GBZ.
Yeah, they would almost certainly have to have formal relations with the Cardassian Union by now.
 
As I recall, we got a diplomatic posture report on the Cardassians that said their attitude to the ISC was, (paraphrased) "Non-expansionist enough to be unlikely to get in our way and harmless unless poked so don't poke them." On the other hand that's not quite the same thing as "formal relations". Remember it took the Cardassians years and years to agree to formal diplomatic relations with the UFP because they were afraid it would hinder their ability to just casually shoot at Starfleet ships whenever they got the chance.

The Cardassian military is still in charge, so if they ever happen to find themselves significantly outgunning the ISC in a particular time and place it's very possible they would attack simply for the opportunity to crack open a Padani ship and see if there's anything valuable inside (technologically speaking). They'd be all, "We don't have any treaties with you, so we'll shoot you if and when we feel like it." (Again, literally the attitude they took with the Federation.)
 
The Cardassian military is still in charge, so if they ever happen to find themselves significantly outgunning the ISC in a particular time and place it's very possible they would attack simply for the opportunity to crack open a Padani ship and see if there's anything valuable inside (technologically speaking). They'd be all, "We don't have any treaties with you, so we'll shoot you if and when we feel like it." (Again, literally the attitude they took with the Federation.)
I don't think there are enough crits our diplomats could get to convince the Padani not to go to immediate total war preparation in that case ...
 
Considering the Padani response to such an act would be war, I suspect they do have formal relations precisely so they can disown the involved commanders in such an incident.
 
I don't think there are enough crits our diplomats could get to convince the Padani not to go to immediate total war preparation in that case ...

Or is that basically just what the ISC expects from the universe? "If aliens catch one of our ships alone, of course they'll try to capture/destroy it. That's just how things work. That's why we always fly in squadrons."

I don't know folks, I'm real skeptical of this "the ISC will declare all-out war the moment anyone injures them". What's the cost-benefit there? I think the Cardassians would just LOL and carefully refrain from invading the ISC-space meatgrinder, instead making sure to shoot ISC squadrons whenever they poke their necks out of safe space.

Like, what are the Padani going to get out of this futile war?
 
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