Alas poor Thuir, I knew him well?

Thuir would be the voice of sanity who would tell them to stop taking stupid chances for the sake of pride.

"Or, and I'm just suggesting this, or maybe we don't have to cheat because we have better diplomatic ships! Look, I'm just saying that the Federation recruited a dozen new member states in a couple of decades without anything but a really good offer."

"Singer Thuir, must you always tell us how you did things in the Federation when making your vote?"

"You recruited me to tell you how we did things in the Federation."

"Tricky things, not this banal 'win by being excellent'. Tell us their real secrets."

(Singer Thuir pulls his Singer electronic hair out)
 
"Butchered her in their systems like an ordinary virus."
So the answer to "How do you kill a singer" is "Become the Padani and run every single antivirus at the same time. Ignore the fact that half of all antiviruses are themselves cancerous and run them anyways."
"It took us nearly three years to fully erase that failure from the Harmony's consciousness.
Oh god. So the reason that the surface Harmony didn't know what the Padani were talking about was because it had been completely erased. This is probably the most disturbing stuff yet, and the most likely to backfire, as opposed to "a tragic mistake was made". But they can't let themselves make "tragic mistakes", so here they are, stabbing themselves in the foot while being incredibly creepy.
and the last name is only months old.
Ah damn, sounds like they've still been getting to people. Either they still have agents on Kelowna, or they're getting Tauni agents, or, and most likely, they're wiping people's memories on Japha.
All of this has happened before. And it will happen again.
Sounds like it's time to unplug those networked computers!
All in all, a very interesting and scary update. The Harmony mindwipes people, erases its history, and all the other stuff we don't like to see. And they do it almost perfectly too.
 
So the answer to "How do you kill a singer" is "Become the Padani and run every single antivirus at the same time. Ignore the fact that half of all antiviruses are themselves cancerous and run them anyways."
[ties into my Adele Chatsworth omake]

Hm.

Do we have any indications that Singers can telepathically influence someone who doesn't have an implanted control device?
 
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Sound more and more like the only way this ends is us finding a way to fully deactivate/activate all the chips or a lightening raids on Singer servers.
 
Sound more and more like the only way this ends is us finding a way to fully deactivate/activate all the chips or a lightening raids on Singer servers.

Or expose them to a digital threat so horrible they voluntarily physically incarnate themselves and become too traumatized to spend any significant length of time digital, but where would we find something that horrible? I'm pretty sure we couldn't get the Explorer Corps on board with whatever the Tal Shiar cook up there.
 
o_O

There's no need for torture, guys. All Starfleet and the Federation have to do is come up with ways to detect and safely block the signals used by Singers. Once that's spread around, the only way for the Singers to influence people is to be upfront about it. They'll have to convince people to follow their suggestions, and convincing people is hard.

Just ask the FDS; it's their day job. :V
 
Or expose them to a digital threat so horrible they voluntarily physically incarnate themselves and become too traumatized to spend any significant length of time digital, but where would we find something that horrible? I'm pretty sure we couldn't get the Explorer Corps on board with whatever the Tal Shiar cook up there.
I think you really need to get more Trekky with your answers and less renegade CIA agent in 24.
 
So we will reverse the polarity of the tachyon stream via a thing-a-ma-jig siphoning off the Eye of Chaos while broadcasting soothing images and everything will just work out dandy :D
 
So we will reverse the polarity of the tachyon stream via a thing-a-ma-jig siphoning off the Eye of Chaos while broadcasting soothing images and everything will just work out dandy :D
Don't siphon anything off of the Eye of Chaos. Replacing the Bad End of a post-apocalyptic magical girl show with the Bad End of a cosmic horror story will not end well for anyone involved. It would be like trying to fight the Borg by teleporting a sample of the Biophage into a Cube.
 
o_O

There's no need for torture, guys. All Starfleet and the Federation have to do is come up with ways to detect and safely block the signals used by Singers. Once that's spread around, the only way for the Singers to influence people is to be upfront about it. They'll have to convince people to follow their suggestions, and convincing people is hard.

Just ask the FDS; it's their day job. :V
The question is How do we even begin to detect whatever is allowing the Singers to control our people.
 
maybe link them up with the paragians. not sure if a few billion crotchety old men yelling at them constantly will change anything, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to stick them with it.

probably.
 
maybe link them up with the paragians. not sure if a few billion crotchety old men yelling at them constantly will change anything, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to stick them with it.

probably.
I would rather we not piss off the millenia of years old race that could curb stomp the entire federation, Romulan, Klingon, Harmony, and other various powers oh and the Cardassians (seriously why do we give a shit about them anyway?) at the same time with a single thought.
 
I don't think the Paragians are anywhere near that powerful.

I think they're that race we met a few real-time months back, the ones whose governing body is the uploaded consciousness of their elders.

A horde of uploaded Paragian elders yelling at the Singers to get off their lawns and clonking them lightly with metaphysical postdead cyber-canes would be juuuust what the doctor ordered. :p
 
I would rather we not piss off the millenia of years old race that could curb stomp the entire federation, Romulan, Klingon, Harmony, and other various powers oh and the Cardassians (seriously why do we give a shit about them anyway?) at the same time with a single thought.

...What on Earth are you talking about? The Borg could accomplish that, or MAYBE the Dominion. Almost nobody else.
 
...What on Earth are you talking about? The Borg could accomplish that, or MAYBE the Dominion. Almost nobody else.
The Borg are probably barely a thousand years old according to the Vaadwar guy in Canon and the Dominion have been around for a little over 2000 years old in Canon. The Borg and Dominion cant wipe out civilizations with a thought. The people I am talking about are Canon only to TBG and can wipe out entire species with a thought.
 
The Borg are probably barely a thousand years old according to the Vaadwar guy in Canon and the Dominion have been around for a little over 2000 years old in Canon. The Borg and Dominion cant wipe out civilizations with a thought. The people I am talking about are Canon only to TBG and can wipe out entire species with a thought.
...who do you think we are talking about here? We're referring to that tiny polity we discovered which is run by a gerontocracy of uploaded elders. Not Q or any of the other hyperpowed precursor remnants floating around our dimensions.
 
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