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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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Theunderbolt said:
Bah that's quitter talk!

We'll figure it out.

Somehow...
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Thing is an easy solve all solution would also be a disservice to this tragedy like setup, and this is a tragedy set up, I think we might be able to choose how much of a tragedy, though, with our loss condition probably related to the HoH going full Total war against us.

Keep in mind that the HoH's internal support structure are the singers, we take them away and even if nothing is done, they will collapse, though note I do not mean to kill them, even if it probably will come down to that
 
I think now all that's really left is more on the exact nature of Singers and how they move around and exert their control. Maybe what's up with them and telepaths. And then... and then...

The new years' bells for 2325 may ring at last.
 
Chaos Blade said:
Thing is an easy solve all solution would also be a disservice to this tragedy like setup, and this is a tragedy set up, I think we might be able to choose how much of a tragedy, though, with our loss condition probably related to the HoH going full Total war against us.

Keep in mind that the HoH's internal support structure are the singers, we take them away and even if nothing is done, they will collapse, though note I do not mean to kill them, even if it probably will come down to that
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Oh it's going to be hard and I doubt we will get all of them.
 
AKuz said:
Sam?
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Lord of Light is set on a distant colony planet whose society is characterized most strongly by the existence of technological reincarnation through transference of the mind into cloned bodies.

The first generation colonists, after a long struggle to carve out a place for humanity on a world previously very hostile and inhabited by various eldritch lifeforms and energy beings, settled into identities in which they basically set themselves up as the Hindu pantheon, keeping the rest of the human sphere on the planet (that is, their own descendants) trapped in medieval stasis ruled over by the 'gods' of the first generation.

Over time, these 'gods' have cultivated psychic 'Attributes' and various 'sufficiently advanced' technology that enabled them to convincingly demonstrate something like the power of the gods of mythology, and the majority of the population of the planet views them accordingly.

Sam, the main character of Lord of Light, is a roguish figure with whose Attribute focuses on energy manipulation and control of devices and energy beings. He leads a rebellion against the gods in multiple incarnations, having become fed up with the forced medieval stasis and the increasingly exploitative rule the gods impose upon 'mortals.'
 
Simon_Jester said:
Lord of Light is set on a distant colony planet whose society is characterized most strongly by the existence of technological reincarnation through transference of the mind into cloned bodies.

The first generation colonists, after a long struggle to carve out a place for humanity on a world previously very hostile and inhabited by various eldritch lifeforms and energy beings, settled into identities in which they basically set themselves up as the Hindu pantheon, keeping the rest of the human sphere on the planet (that is, their own descendants) trapped in medieval stasis ruled over by the 'gods' of the first generation.

Over time, these 'gods' have cultivated psychic 'Attributes' and various 'sufficiently advanced' technology that enabled them to convincingly demonstrate something like the power of the gods of mythology, and the majority of the population of the planet views them accordingly.

Sam, the main character of Lord of Light, is a roguish figure with whose Attribute focuses on energy manipulation and control of devices and energy beings. He leads a rebellion against the gods in multiple incarnations, having become fed up with the forced medieval stasis and the increasingly exploitative rule the gods impose upon 'mortals.'
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Thank you, I did just finish looking it up on wikipedia. But I do see where the comparison comes from now.
 
Hm, I wonder if the Padani ever picked up on the Singer who hacked into their dead Skynet server? How did the Singer even get in? I mean, you'd think the Padani would be paranoid about keeping servers un-networked where possible after experiencing an AI rebellion apocalypse.
 
@Gravitas Hunt

Honestly, I don't feel like those are spoilers. Sam leads a rebellion; it's immediately apparent within the first few pages of the novel that he is the leader of a rebellion. The gods are the early generation colonists who founded human civilization on this planet; that's not so much a plot point as it is a setting background thing.
 
Random Member said:
Padani: "Puny god."
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They have experience with that.

Their gods tried to eat them, for example.

Life stealing energy beings, it turns out.

10ebbor10 said:
That's why you keep back-up's.
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Remember, computer possessing psionic entities.

Not uploads/AIs, not truly.

10ebbor10 said:
Worse actually. She got caught by the firewall.
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Knowing the Padani, said firewall probably included a bomb under the server room on a hair trigger.

10ebbor10 said:
Was this mentioned before or is this new?
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Yeah they did have an AI apocalypse. Among many other kinds.

Never underestimate the Padani. The sheer bullshit that they have survived is mind boggling.

Not only survived, but overcome. See their sane(ish) great power status.

Chaos Blade said:
So, we need to neutralize the Singers as a threat to all sophonts (something they are) and we need to do so in a way that both doesn't involve their termination and doesn't involve the Harmony going to total war -no quarter given or asked for- or the Harmony collapsing into itself (though this last one would be the least bad option, one we might be able to ameliorate)
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The biggest issue is the mind control.

If we can detect and disable or fully enable those implants, that would be perfect.

Not that they would be harmless without those, what with the superhacking, but manageable.
 
If we could trap the Singers into individual bodies and keep them from controlling or altering others, basically just placing those minds into normal Harmony citizens, it would be ideal. Of course, that is much, much easier said than done. The Singers won't go willingly, it probably needs creative technical solutions to lock out the Singers' godmode, and what happens to Harmony society when the Singers are no longer around to wipe away traumas and suppress social conflicts?

If you take out the Singers as they are, that society will fall apart, even if the average citizen doesn't believe the truth at all. The very machinery of government is constantly greased by Singer control and when the government and, ultimately, society in general begins to feel friction without them, they will have literally no institutional understanding of how to deal with such a situation.
 
Enerael said:
The biggest issue is the mind control.
If we can detect and disable or fully enable those implants, that would be perfect.
Not that they would be harmless without those, what with the superhacking, but manageable.
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This.
It's the mind control and memory wipes that allow them to act with impunity and disregard for their civies. Enable upload for everyone, and shit changes. It changes the incentives for territorial expansion, as well as the expendability of their civilians.

At the very least, take away their ability to edit history by wiping people's minds.
 
Enerael said:
They have experience with that.

Their gods tried to eat them, for example.

Life stealing energy beings, it turns out.


Remember, computer possessing psionic entities.

Not uploads/AIs, not truly.


Knowing the Padani, said firewall probably included a bomb under the server room on a hair trigger.


Yeah they did have an AI apocalypse. Among many other kinds.

Never underestimate the Padani. The sheer bullshit that they have survived is mind boggling.

Not only survived, but overcome. See their sane(ish) great power status.


The biggest issue is the mind control.

If we can detect and disable or fully enable those implants, that would be perfect.

Not that they would be harmless without those, what with the superhacking, but manageable.
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Even without the mind control, we would likely end up in a general war with them sooner rather than latter.
Sure, the Singers might be fighting a multi front war, besides the hypothetical Federation/HoH one, you;d have the internal HoH conflicts and other HoH neighbors that suddenly find themselves outraged (and those not that near that smell the blood)
From what we are getting from this singer? they are very deluded, self deluded and invested in their own egos.
 
Chaos Blade said:
Even without the mind control, we would likely end up in a general war with them sooner rather than latter.
Sure, the Singers might be fighting a multi front war, besides the hypothetical Federation/HoH one, you;d have the internal HoH conflicts and other HoH neighbors that suddenly find themselves outraged (and those not that near that smell the blood)
From what we are getting from this singer? they are very deluded, self deluded and invested in their own egos.
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Problem is that HoH is a Great Power. If it maintained unity, then all of its neighbors +ISC would probably fail against it, without us.

Edit: I know that they might not maintain it, but this is to illustrate that HoH has a LOT of firepower.

Singers are... problematic. Minds this old and this dysfunctional? While being this unknown and powerful?

Oooh boy.
 
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Chaos Blade said:
Even without the mind control, we would likely end up in a general war with them sooner rather than latter.
Sure, the Singers might be fighting a multi front war, besides the hypothetical Federation/HoH one, you;d have the internal HoH conflicts and other HoH neighbors that suddenly find themselves outraged (and those not that near that smell the blood)
From what we are getting from this singer? they are very deluded, self deluded and invested in their own egos.
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Note how they avoided a fight with the Padani? And how widespread Tauni rebellion disrupted their society?
There are significant doubts about whether they'd be able to sustain significant or prolonged military combat against an enemy big enough to rock them(us) or vicious enough to perform countervalue strikes on their assimilated planets.

Not a theory I'd like to test, mind.
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QUESTION
Do we know if the Singers are still recruiting?
Or are the current Singers only composed of the survivors of their apocalypse?
 
Calling it now, the upload process is somewhere between ME Indoctrination and Magical Girl Befriending.

Or in other words: The Vanguard of your destruction can't possibly be this cute~!
 
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