And the known presence of cardassian arms on the dawiar vessels isn't enough to acknowledge cardassian involvement? The red-hand we're looking for, so to speak?

Sure, the layman might not know, but certainly all the governments of the area know, and they are all that matter.

The point is that it's not enough to know about Cardassian intervention, but to demonstrate an ability to stop it.

e: And also if they did provoke the attack itself, too, but I'm not holding my breath there.
 
Okay, my sinuses are backed up the wazoo and I have a mild headache. So.

Since there is clearly still a very lively debate going on, I'll let this voting period extend out for now.

As a gentle redirect/clarification, I would ask people to keep in mind the scenario. The President of the Federation is asking you, the head of her federal exploratory/defence arm, for a suggestion as to a course of action. She's a woman as powerful as she is busy, and she is plenty of both. Details are something both Kahurangi and sh'Arrath leave to the staff. Just give her your broad strokes idea of what you think the best way forward is. The President will make her own mind up on the way forward, but this is your chance to impress on the President what sort of temperament and nous Stafleet's leadership has. Ideally, it consists of something Starfleet can take part in, but you never know, if you tell her that a third way is best, it may impress her and make her listen to you more in future.

If you agree that outside mediation is key, go with that. If you think that the UFP doesn't know enough to act on yet, go with that. If you want to say that you think a war is inevitable, go with that. If you think the biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war, go with that.

The President wants to know the gut feel of her senior-most commander.

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Those aren't the only options, of course. Pick out what you think is the key issue you need to impress on the President.

You have the detail map of the area involved. You have some details on the incident, the antagonists, the involvement to at least some degree of the Cardassians, the concerns of the Council, the divisions in the Council, and the current state/prospects of Starfleet.

The other thing to keep in mind is that this is a vote on advising the President, not choosing for her. The President has other people outside of Starfleet who are also giving advice; she'll take everything on board, but she'll take the action she thinks is right in the end. If she likes your advice, she may follow it. But you're setting down a marker with your new commander-in-chief.

That said, if you advocate storming in with phasers gleaming, you may get levied militarisation points :V
 
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Honestly the Fed President asked for advice, we should give them the two highest voted plans and a really shitty one to choose from. (Politicians and bosses like options and making easy decisions) To that end here is a shitty plan:

[NO] Operation Beat the Dwair about the Head and Neck with a thick lead pipe.
-Gatherer ever loose ship including from the members and face roll the Dwair so hard they might spontaneously cease to exist in shame. Then parade in the orbit of their homeworld and dare the Cardassian to come 'ave a go if they think they're 'ard enuff.
 
The the blockade is a meaningless do-nothing move, and only demonstrates our weakness and inability to control the Cardassians to our other allies, while costing us significantly in the court of public opinion back home.
no, it's meant to catch the Cardassian's supplying weapons to the Dawiar, and hopefully put a stop too it. All this while we find out exactly why the grumpy dwarves are trying to kill our cat-people, and put a stop to THAT!
 
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It is said that multiple plans are usually presented. On both ends of the scale are "all out war" and "surrender". The one in the middle is usually what the adviser truly advocates.
 
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Given the QM's guidelines, I think that the GENERAL advice we should give is more or less:

[X] Tell the Caitians to hold their ground for now, and send well protected diplomats to the Dawiar to find out what precipitated this.
 
If you agree that outside mediation is key, go with that. If you think that the UFP doesn't know enough to act on yet, go with that. If you want to say that you think a war is inevitable, go with that. If you think the biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war, go with that.

I think a straightforward answer is what is what the President wants, not a full scale plan. So the options are the three options laid out above, unless an alternative SHORT phrase describes the situation better.
1. wait as we don't have enough information yet
2. war is inevitable
3. the biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war.

I'm going with #3.

[X][ADVICE] The biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war.
 
Impossible to answer without knowing the details of the situation at the time. My presumption is that we would be offered the option to declare a State of Emergency, and if we did that (and if it passed or was automatic) we would then go to monthly turns and be presented with detailed strategic options to choose from.

Sure, but the point I'm trying to bring up, is that maybe we should tell the President what we're doing to prepare for war, and what the Council could do to help. In other words, a way to get pp cost reductions.

The most likely way the Cardassians escalate is declaring against the Caitians in defense of the Dawiar, which would basically force us to declare for the Caitians. Our best move is to prevent escalation by keeping the Cardassians away from the Caitians in every way we can.

Letting the Cardassians run a cruiser to Dawiar orbit, or forcing a Caitian-Cardassian confrontation in a Caitian blockade, or enforcing a policy where the Caitians can (through Obsidian Order manipulations), Lusitania a ship they shouldn't, would all be bad news and would likely bring the Cardassians against the Caitians. Such a move on the Cardassian part would be calculated because they would believe we would back down and let the Caitians take their licks, given that we understand they are not seeking a shooting war at this time. Obviously there is almost no situation where we'd allow a Cardassian-Caitian war without intervention, but they may force one anyway based on faulty ideas about our willingness to fight.

e: This is essentially the nightmare scenario of AKuz's and Jester's plan.

Then shouldn't your and Briefvoice's plan have something about coordinating with the Caitians to avoid escalating the war and to be extremely wary of blockading?

If you agree that outside mediation is key, go with that. If you think that the UFP doesn't know enough to act on yet, go with that. If you want to say that you think a war is inevitable, go with that. If you think the biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war, go with that.

The problem is that all those things are likely (well maybe less so on direct war).
 
The problem is that all those things are likely (well maybe less so on direct war).
Those aren't the only options, of course. Pick out what you think is the key issue you need to impress on the President.

You have the detail map of the area involved. You have some details on the incident, the antagonists, the involvement to at least some degree of the Cardassians, the concerns of the Council, the divisions in the Council, and the current state/prospects of Starfleet.

The other thing to keep in mind is that this is a vote on advising the President, not choosing for her. The President has other people outside of Starfleet who are also giving advice; she'll take everything on board, but she'll take the action she thinks is right in the end. If she likes your advice, she may follow it. But you're setting down a marker with your new commander-in-chief.

That said, if you advocate storming in with phasers gleaming, you may get levied militarisation points :V
 
If we're keeping it to a sentence, I'd say:

[X][ADVICE]"Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
Sol, D15: 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 2 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant] (4), Starbase 1 (5) = D15
Betazed, D3: 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3) = 3D
Vulcan, D12: 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Miranda (4) [T'Kumbra, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
Andor, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) = 11D
Tellar Prime, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D
Amarkia, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 1 Miranda [Dryad] (2), Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
RBZ, D12: 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 3 Miranda (6) [Faithful, Svai] = 12D
KBZ, D6: 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 2 Miranda (4), 1 Oberth (1) = 8D
CBZ, D10: 1 Constitution (5) [Cheron], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Centaur (2) = 16D
1 Centaur (2) [Yukikaze] = out for refit starting 2308Q2
 
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Per @OneirosTheWriter apparently this is supposed to be an extremely short summary of the general direction we want to take, not any kind of detailed plan. So keeping it short.

[X][ADVICE] "Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
Sol, D15: 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 2 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant] (4), Starbase 1 (5) = D15
Betazed, D3: 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3) = 3D
Vulcan, D12: 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Miranda (4) [T'Kumbra, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
Andor, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) = 11D
Tellar Prime, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D
Amarkia, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 1 Miranda [Dryad] (2), Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
RBZ, D12: 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 3 Miranda (6) [Faithful, Svai] = 12D
KBZ, D6: 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 2 Miranda (4), 1 Oberth (1) = 8D
CBZ, D10: 1 Constitution (5) [Cheron], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Centaur (2) = 16D
1 Centaur (2) [Yukikaze] = out for refit starting 2308Q2
 
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So, here's a tally to keep track

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 376 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Keep vote open for 24 hours
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Tell the Caitians to hold their ground for now, and send well protected diplomats to the Dawiar to find out what precipitated this.
No. of Votes: 1

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: ADVICE
[X][ADVICE] Information is Our Weapon
No. of Votes: 19
[x][ADVICE] Inspect, Mediate, Enlighten.
No. of Votes: 8
[X][ADVICE] Trust the Enterprise
No. of Votes: 2
[x][ADVICE] Plan: Don't Fall For it Revised
No. of Votes: 1
[X][ADVICE] The biggest danger is the escalation of proxy war into general multi-faction war.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][ADVICE] Simon_Jester's plan that he actually isn't making a plan due to the stupidity of tactical voting
No. of Votes: 1
[x] [ADVICE] Plan Try to talk, then gunboat investigate
No. of Votes: 0

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: FLEET
[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
No. of Votes: 14
Total No. of Voters: 33
 
Thought it over and this is what I'd give as actual advice. No mention of blockades required.

[X][ADVICE] The Cardassians are attempting to control our politics and stall Caitian admittance to the Federation by starting a proxy war. Their hand in this is obvious and they likely deceived the Daiwar in some way. That means we should investigate right now, but if we can't forestall open war between Caitians and Daiwar we should back the Caitians quickly and overwhelmingly. We have a casus belli most would accept, and letting things drag on will let the Cardassians further interfere and forestall Caitian membership.

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
Sol, D15: 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 2 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant] (4), Starbase 1 (5) = D15
Betazed, D3: 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3) = 3D
Vulcan, D12: 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Miranda (4) [T'Kumbra, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
Andor, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) = 11D
Tellar Prime, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D
Amarkia, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 1 Miranda [Dryad] (2), Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
RBZ, D12: 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 3 Miranda (6) [Faithful, Svai] = 12D
KBZ, D6: 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 2 Miranda (4), 1 Oberth (1) = 8D
CBZ, D10: 1 Constitution (5) [Cheron], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Centaur (2) = 16D
1 Centaur (2) [Yukikaze] = out for refit starting 2308Q2
 
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[X][ADVICE] The Cardassians are attempting to control our politics and stall Caitian admittance to the Federation by starting a proxy war. Their hand in this is obvious and they likely deceived the Daiwar in some way. That means we should investigate right now, but if we can't forestall open war between Caitians and Daiwar we should back the Caitians quickly and overwhelmingly. We have a casus belli most would accept, and letting things drag on will let the Cardassians further interfere and forestall Caitian membership.

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
Sol, D15: 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 2 Miranda [Lion, Bon Vivant] (4), Starbase 1 (5) = D15
Betazed, D3: 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3) = 3D
Vulcan, D12: 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Miranda (4) [T'Kumbra, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
Andor, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) = 11D
Tellar Prime, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D
Amarkia, D9: 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 1 Miranda [Dryad] (2), Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
RBZ, D12: 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 3 Miranda (6) [Faithful, Svai] = 12D
KBZ, D6: 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 2 Miranda (4), 1 Oberth (1) = 8D
CBZ, D10: 1 Constitution (5) [Cheron], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Centaur (2) = 16D
1 Centaur (2) [Yukikaze] = out for refit starting 2308Q2
 
[X][ADVICE]"Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
 
[X][ADVICE]"Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."
[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
 
[X][ADVICE]"Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."
[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor​
 
Okay, at the risk of a bit of vote creep:

[X][ADVICE] Our biggest problem is a lack of information, and Starfleet is prepared to thoroughly investigate this incident in the field [with our explorer corps]. We recommend that the diplomacy corps convince the Caitians to hold off while we concentrate on gathering intelligence about the Dawiar, who they'll listen to, and the details of the inciting incident. Furthermore, we consider it likely that this is a Cardassian proxy war in danger of escalating, and Starfleet is making preparations for this eventuality and limiting Cardassian influence where possible.

[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
 
[X][ADVICE]"Our priorities right now should be to determine the cause of Dawiar aggression, encourage the Caitians to give us time to find a diplomatic solution, and attempt to limit further Cardassian influence where possible."
[X][FLEET] Reinforce Amarkia and Andor
 
[X][ADVICE] Our biggest problem is a lack of information, and Starfleet is prepared to thoroughly investigate this incident in the field [with our explorer corps]. We recommend that the diplomacy corps convince the Caitians to hold off while we concentrate on gathering intelligence about the Dawiar, who they'll listen to, and the details of the inciting incident. Furthermore, we consider it likely that this is a Cardassian proxy war in danger of escalating, and Starfleet is making preparations for this eventuality and limiting Cardassian influence where possible.
 
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