To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

[pheonix89]

Well, I seem to recall we've got a LOT of spare BR. We can help with that.

We can probably put together a TF to cover the Klingon border.

The Kadeshi are an exception with precursor industry tech. They dont count.

And I am aware of that, my point is that even if they were larger, they dont have the space to be large enough, due to the neutral zone. Also, we should have lots of eyes on the NZ, so they cant be much bigger then whats on the map.


Wait what? They have the Kadeshi precursor tech too?

And no they cant. You need sr for warp drives worth a damn, those drones would be fragile like glass slow as snails, and not even interstellar. You cant fix that with better factories.

They could build a mothership to tow those drones in her warp bubble, like the Pride of Kadesh, but that would cost loads of sr, so they wouldnt help themselves much.

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OK, I may be wrong. I went digging and I can't find anything saying that the Sotaw have the same macro-fabricator tech. I just assumed they did because they're both Homeworld references.

IF they do, though, the Kadeshi already solved every problem you're bringing up.

 

[Night]

A note: what makes the Romulans unhappy might fly with the Sotaw, releasing forces indirectly if they decide to join the war.

Since we are discussing Lend-Lease and the Romulans probably won't lease bases, a freighters-for-resources deal is obvious. It would probably be best set as a long-term obligation, something to be paid back "within five years of the debt incurred", which will allow the Romulans to worry about wartime shipbuilding for the moment.

We might also trade the material for the political, specifically talks regarding the Federation border they're likely to have in the next few years with the Ked Paddah and/or discussing the disposition of postwar trade across the Neutral Zone.

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

@OneirosTheWriter how far is the STO into their Scrap and Replace cycle?

 

[Enerael]

Materials and berth space might be an option if we have any free.

For security reasons maybe we can have them send over the specs for non sensitive equipment that we can fabricate and ship back over to them to cut down on their own build times?

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No free berths I think, no clue about materials.

We could just send them sophontaritanian aid instead, and let them retool for war stuff?

They just got their production up and running, and now have yards full. However, their income is now on the low-side for a great power, as is crew. But infrastructure income is very weak atm, like in the ballpark of Vulcan and UESPA weak. Essentially, the economy is well short of recovery. They are short of cargo ships if they want to re-mobilise their economy, and they are down to four engineering teams. They only have three Hospital Ships to cover their whole territory now.

They have most of the weaknesses you would expect out of a nation that just came through the losing side of a war.

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I dont think that we, Starfleet that is, have cargo to spare without getting penalties, and engineering teams are all building colonies. We will be sending hospital ships for sure though.

IF they do, though, the Kadeshi already solved every problem you're bringing up.

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No they didnt? What makes you think that their warp drives arent sr intensive?

Kadeshi fabrication tech cant build ships with shields btw, its why the biophage hit them so hard. L0 for everything.

 

[slybrarian]

I wonder if the Romulans would be in the market for some four-stack destroyers old engineering ships.

 

[Night]

No free berths I think, no clue about materials.

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Pretty sure we can work deals with our member nations for berth space. I mean, I don't think there's a huge production run of Patrollers or cargo ships going on in all those small berths we're due to inherit shortly anyways...

 

[Briefvoice]

The Federation can lease:

1. Cargo ships
2. Engineer Ships (yes, this is painful - it means giving up on some of our own colonies)
3. Hospital Ships

No free berths I think, no clue about materials.

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I mean, we can have free berths. It just means we aren't building Starfleet ships in them. If you would like not to start five Keplers next year, that's five berths right there.

I dont think that we, Starfleet that is, have cargo to spare without getting penalties, and engineering teams are all building colonies. We will be sending hospital ships for sure though.

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There are enough member cargo ships out there to supply if needed. And again, the engineering ships are only out building colonies if we assign them to do that. If we assign them to the Romulans instead, then that's what they'll do.

 

[Thors_Alumni]

@Briefvoice What ships are available that we can call on in the event that we do go to war with the Breen?

Despite what the Pacifists might think otherwise the Breen did attack our ship unprovoked instead of retreating once they were detected. Since @OneirosTheWriter said that the Breen were still going to attack the Romulans it might be wise to recall our Explorers from wherever they currently wander.

That includes the USS Enterprise and USS Ambassador by the way. They are our strongest ships and their presence alone might just make the Breen think twice about attacking the Romulans.

I forget which one but one of them is attached to a task force and removing it will be a problem for us but its one we need to think seriously about given the situation at the moment.

We are also going to have to think very carefully about what the Next Snakepit options are going to be when the time comes. We definitely need the 4 diplo pushes and we need to strategize those carefully.

We also need to claim the colonies in the Adrazzi gulf. I think claiming the 3 closes to the Cardassian border will help to establish our presence and ward off the Cardassians from taking advantage of the situation with the Breen and Romulans to take them for themselves.

Luckily we do have a wave of Kepler's that are about to launch in the first quarter of next year in game. Those can be used to replace ships in the taskforces that will be needed in case of war with the Breen.

I mean, we can have free berths. It just means we aren't building Starfleet ships in them. If you would like not to start five Keplers next year, that's five berths right there.
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How much PP would that save us if we leased those ships to the Romulans for either repairs or building some of their own ships for them?

 

[Enerael]

I mean, we can have free berths. It just means we aren't building Starfleet ships in them. If you would like not to start five Keplers next year, that's five berths right there.

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If we have ships earmarked for them, they are not free, at least in my mind.

There are enough member cargo ships out there to supply if needed. And again, the engineering ships are only out building colonies if we assign them to do that. If we assign them to the Romulans instead, then that's what they'll do.

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We need those teams though. Not just for economic growth, but to lock down mines and territory before Cardies do.

I would vote against this.

 

[Katsuragi]

We're the hearts and mind Federation. We should do everything that doesn't literally cripple us to help out, even if it slows down our own growth.

Not an empire quest and all that.

 

[lbmaian]

Don't suppose we can loan resources (along with the cargo ships to ferry such) to the Romulans at a low interest rate, i.e. exchanging lump sum of BR/SR for a period of income from Romulan contributions? Or better, negotiate a generous loan for a substantial long-term trade agreement?

 

[Briefvoice]

If we have ships earmarked for them, they are not free, at least in my mind.


We need those teams though. Not just for economic growth, but to lock down mines and territpry before the Cardies do.

I would vote against this.

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It's not a sacrifice if it costs you nothing. Are you unwilling to make sacrifices to help the Romulans against the Breen in this situation?

 

[Thors_Alumni]

We need those teams though. Not just for economic growth, but to lock down mines and territpry before the Cardies do.

I would vote against this.

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Agreed and I would also vote against it. The three mines closes to the Cardassians can be claimed by us to prevent the Cardassians getting them. The ones closest to us can be left for later.

 

[Alastor Mobius Toth]

On the flipside: are just three mines and territorial flagwaving worth more to us than our relations with Romulans? Or Breen throwing incendiary grenade atop of the Northern Clusterfuck?

Because if we end up with both Breen and Harmony nestling up against out space, we will be in for fun times.

 

[Katsuragi]

Wonder if we could convince the whales to help the rommies to scout out some materials nearby their borders?

"These peoppe are going to be fighting with the nasty people that hurt your friend. We're not asking you to risk yourself or anythint. Just keep an eye out for some materials they could easily grab nearby?"

 

[pheonix89]

I would not be surprised if the Dreamers know about all sorts of interesting resource deposits.

Actually that would totally justify getting BR/SR income from them affiliating them.

 

[Glassware]

Wonder if we could convince the whales to help the rommies to scout out some materials nearby their borders?

"These peoppe are going to be fighting with the nasty people that hurt your friend. We're not asking you to risk yourself or anythint. Just keep an eye out for some materials they could easily grab nearby?"

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I'm really worried for the Dreamers already. Doc's town put themselves on the line to save the Courageous, and the Breen might retaliate...something to include in the advice maybe.

 

[ClawClawBite]

We can also look into brokering deals with mercantile member worlds and allys to lease cargo ships.

Also, if we can rush build a few outposts, especially ones with last generation sensor tech, and hand them over, they may help solidify defense. If we do send an engineering team, it can work away from the front, but hopefully displace a rom team for forward deployment.

 

[Enerael]

Despite what the Pacifists might think otherwise the Breen did attack our ship unprovoked instead of retreating once they were detected.

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Pacifists do not deny this, they just refuse to go into war over it. Which isnt all that surprising, our ships get attacked relatively often without us starting a war over it.

Since @OneirosTheWriter said that the Breen were still going to attack the Romulans it might be wise to recall our Explorers from wherever they currently wander.

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Our EC explorers are all over the known space, and we havent done this in any of our previous wars I think, not a complete recall. Keep in mind how extremely important and profitable EC missions are.

We are also going to have to think very carefully about what the Next Snakepit options are going to be when the time comes. We definitely need the 4 diplo pushes and we need to strategize those carefully.

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We need all 5, as always, but this war will not change where we use them most likely. The Breen have far too many tags to diplopush them into peace, if such a thing is even possible.

How much PP would that save us if we leased those ships to the Romulans for either repairs or building some of their own ships for them?

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None? PP dont build ships.

We're the hearts and mind Federation. We should do everything that doesn't literally cripple us to help out, even if it slows down our own growth.

Not an empire quest and all that.

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There are far more innocents to help, including our own. Its a balancing act.

It's not a sacrifice if it costs you nothing. Are you unwilling to make sacrifices to help the Romulans against the Breen in this situation?

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We do not want to sacrifice, we want to help. And we want to help economically, which means minimum hurt for us, maximum benefit to them.

Engineering teams are used to build outposts, starbases, colonies, listening posts, and berths, all of which but the colonies take years to build, and if the war drags on that long, we have fucked up somewhere, bad.

Member fleets have engineering teams they might be able to spare far more then we.

And lastly, I am willing to send them away to help, if the benefits (to us and the innocents caught in the war) warrant it.

I do not think that they do, currently.

 

[sunrise]

I am thinking about a peacekeeping force on the klingon-romulan border and or taking over patrolling the neutral zone for the biophage to free romulan ships for the breen front.
Our members have some spare transports and can provide some shipping for the romulans.
We can also ask our members if they have engineering teams they can provided.
We can provided SR/BR berths for repair as well, but do we want to and what do the romulans offer for our help?

Options can include:
An end of the neutral zone where the federation gets a bigger part of the former neutral zone.
Opening up the romulan empire to trade.
The BR/SR being a loan that get payed back post war.

the sowtaw have multiple worlds, we met then at Firax III, and their homeworld is in the Sajan System

Admiral, the inhabitants of Firax III apparently call themselves the Sotaw. They have not told us where their homeworld is but it was not difficult to take a few clues they left and assess it against a map to the Sajan System in Area 5. They have skirmished with the Biophage before, and taken some ship losses, but as of yet no colony losses. We have explained the situation to them, and they are going on their highest alert now that the true nature of the danger is known to them.

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[SynchronizedWritersBlock]

Reason I ask about starship resources is that we actually are going to be in surplus for a while. However starship resources only matter if they have the berths to make use of them.

It sounds like our biggest contribution can be on the logistical side though. In addition to providing logistical ships of our own, we can probably use our contacts in Yrillian space, Morshadd, and Orion space to build freight in their yards.

 

[Enerael]

If they let our hospital, engineering, or cargo ships operate in their space, or if they let us patrol the Klingon Romulan border, that would be an enormous diplomatic coup. Something to keep in mind.

 

[Glassware]

I am thinking about a peacekeeping force on the klingon-romulan border and or taking over patrolling the neutral zone for the biophage to free romulan ships for the breen front.

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The Romulans have only a token force on their border with us anyway; they've figured out we're not going to launch a preemptive strike. The klingon-romulan border might be a better idea since we're respected by both sides and that could be a major flashpoint.

 

[pheonix89]

Yeah.

One of the best options is patrolling the Klingon-Romulan border and taking over RBZ patrols. This would be somewhat risky if the Klingons had a more conventional leader, but Renhadd son of Gram would probably be grateful for the assist in reigning in various idiots who might want to go raiding.



Trying to scare the Breen into backing off by dealing in is a high risk play, but if it works it ends the mess instantly.

 

[Thors_Alumni]

The Romulans have only a token force on their border with us anyway; they've figured out we're not going to launch a preemptive strike. The klingon-romulan border might be a better idea since we're respected by both sides and that could be a major flashpoint.

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Crap that's a good point. We should probably think about putting a few ships between the Klingons and Romulans to make sure they don't try anything cute.

Yeah.

One of the best options is patrolling the Klingon-Romulan border and taking over RBZ patrols. This would be somewhat risky if the Klingons had a more conventional leader, but Renhadd son of Gram would probably be grateful for the assist in reigning in various idiots who might want to go raiding.



Trying to scare the Breen into backing off by dealing in is a high risk play, but if it works it ends the mess instantly.

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Somehow I don't think that's going to work Not after @OneirosTheWriter said that the Breen were still going to attack the Romulans.