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Cloaking has disadvantages too. For one thing, it's a huge power hog. The other ship stats would all be much weaker.

If we did develop cloaking technology, which I am not in favor of, but hypothetically.... I would certainly not go willy-nilly putting it on every ship.
 
Just checking, but do we actually have any 'Home Fleets', apart from the Amarki? Or are they just the fleets we're putting in as a defence force?
 
Briefvoice said:
Cloaking has disadvantages too. For one thing, it's a huge power hog. The other ship stats would all be much weaker.

If we did develop cloaking technology, which I am not in favor of, but hypothetically.... I would certainly not go willy-nilly putting it on every ship.
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I would put it on science and scouting vessels.

5YM explorers too, maybe.
 
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Shard said:
Just checking, but do we actually have any 'Home Fleets', apart from the Amarki? Or are they just the fleets we're putting in as a defence force?
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All members have their own fleet, during the biophage crisis we borrowed a Constellation from the Andorian Guard.
 
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UbeOne said:
I don't know. Aren't windows considered structural weaknesses?

:V

Otherwise, would matte black paint help?
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You're talking about the Federation here. I'm pretty sure not having windows would like... earn us a militarization point or something. :tongue:

My first reaction to matte black is to say no. The paint would have to be absorbent across the full EM spectrum , which is hard to do, and it would just lead to the hull heating up and emitting IR as a blackbody.

Mind you, if you can dump heat someplace the enemy can't see it, it could work. But I have a feeling that given how cloaks work in the show, it's easier to just bend light around the ship.
 
Crazy Tom said:
Cloaking tech isn't that scary, there are actually pretty sound reasons to get into the field:

For one it makes it much harder for belligerent powers to get a read on the Federations total ship strength, that uncertainty means that provoking or pressuring the Federation is now much riskier, which makes them more amendable to listening to our diplomats.
For another, it makes it much harder for powers like Cardassia to engage in covert operation since now they have to worry about cloaked ships tailing their vessels through the border zone or even having cloaked vessels encroach into the Cardasssian interior to gather SIGINT.
Thirdly - MAN THINK OF THE SCIENCE! We're talking about using precisely calibrated subspace fields to refract, reflect and bend broad parts of the electromagnetic spectrum into a pretzel. The improvements we could make to our sensor technology! The sheer cool factor of developing the technology! :tongue:

Mostly, cloaking tech raises the cost of doing business with respect to messing around with the Federation. Now peer powers who don't like us have to spend resources on vast tachyon detection nets and sensor technology - resources they can no longer use for other things like building ships or financing covert ops against us.
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It also makes keeping the Prime Directive easier. Much harder for industrialized but Pre-Warp civilizations to detect Federation Science ships.
 
Crazy Tom said:
The Mk 1 eyeball is just a very crude sensor. Visible light is one way for ships to be detected.
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In modern day and life, the Eyeball is actually a fairly fantastic sensor. Given the presence of sufficient photons in the visible light spectrum, it can detect Stealth Aircraft, or nearly anything we can build, really.

Camouflage is one of the few reliable ways to defeat it.. though not all the time, even.
 
Shard said:
Just checking, but do we actually have any 'Home Fleets', apart from the Amarki? Or are they just the fleets we're putting in as a defence force?
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What do you mean by "we"? Federation members do have their various "Member Fleets" (as apparently the correct term; I've been using the wrong one), but they are completely outside Starfleet control. We don't even get reports on their strength, though we probably would with the Member World Coordination Office.
 
I'm imagining some Cardassian Legate sitting in the middle of Central Command, finger hovering over the dispatch button, nervously eyeing the little "95% Chance of Success" Icon.

He's played "C-COM: Enemy Ka'Sharren" enough to know that those are terrible odds, but he clicks anyway.
 
One downside that I noticed is that apparently the Obsidian Order is still running circles around Starfleet Intelligence. According to our latest intel, the Cardassians don't want a war yet. If that was true, they wouldn't have ambushed our flagship.

Briefvoice said:
The Enterprise turns out to be magic, and we get to see the stats for the Cardassian Heavy Cruiser... as well as destroy one. That loss is going to hurt them a hell of a lot. They can't have many of those things, and it's going to take a lot of time, resources, and crew to replace.
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According to the logs about half of the battlecruiser's crew were able to escape, so it wasn't a total loss for the CDF. Unless Nash captured them, of course.

So perhaps a Weapons research team? There are things under the Phasers tech tree that can improve odds of Shield burn-through.
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Yeah! That's the one I was thinking.


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Iron Wolf said:
Starfleet Intelligence has whipped up an artist's concept based on sensor logs:



Seems legit.
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You.

It appears I need to step up my game...
 
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Leila Hann said:
One downside that I noticed is that apparently the Obsidian Order is still running circles around Starfleet Intelligence. According to our latest intel, the Cardassians don't want a war yet. If that was true, they wouldn't have ambushed our flagship.
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I think they were planning to have Enterprise "disappear" like that Cardassian Cruiser "disappeared" earlier. They know that something hinkey went on.
 
Briefvoice said:
Cloaking has disadvantages too. For one thing, it's a huge power hog. The other ship stats would all be much weaker.

If we did develop cloaking technology, which I am not in favor of, but hypothetically.... I would certainly not go willy-nilly putting it on every ship.
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Yes, but it's actually not the power requirements that are the biggest issue. It's the mass that comes from both the cloak and the bigger warp core. And warp core mass is something that we're going to keep working on no mater what. That makes cloaks particularly useful on cruisers where warp core mass isn't as big a deal.
 
AKuz said:
I'm imagining some Cardassian Legate sitting in the middle of Central Command, finger hovering over the dispatch button, nervously eyeing the little "95% Chance of Success" Icon.

He's played "C-COM: Enemy Ka'Sharren" enough to know that those are terrible odds, but he clicks anyway.
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Those aren't reliable odds-

*is bombarded with phasers*

:V
 
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UbeOne said:
Those aren't reliable chances.

*is bombarded with phasers*

:V
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Then he applies the save-scumming option.

And fails again.

Soon, the Enterprise scenario becomes the Cardassian's new Kobiyashi Maru equivelent.

Everytime the Ensigns 'beat' the program, it turns out Nash cheated somehow, by using a sensor duplicate, or tricking a Cardassian ship into appearing as an Enterprise somehow.
 
Yes, there are currently member world fleets. Once they've joined they'll start transitioning from their own designs to Starfleet designs. The four founding members are already using it.

At present:
-Okay, the table looks fine in preview but then blows up, will have to figure out later-

Actually, one petty vote I've been meaning to ask.

Since I've started dabbling in NCC registries, should member world ships...

[ ] Be given NCC registries
[ ] Not be given NCC registries
 
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[X] (Abstain)

Hmm, with the stellar performance the Enterprise Crew had, are they now Elite (Elite+, after Nash's bonus)?
 
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