Definitely need to send some ships we free up from Gabriel to reinforce our efforts against the Harmony.

Yeah, reinforce them with multiple high-P ships wherever we can. We need to accelerate work on countering the Harmony's influence on our coreward border, I suspect that they'll soon begin rolling out whatever their dirty tricks division is to start generating negative events against us and having built up coreward diplomatic strength will be a useful counterweight.
 
Is it even possible to "win" this? The Harmony isn't going to give up just because we push their tag to 100/100 will they?

No, but once we Affiliate them we can start Pushing and Ally them quickly. The more we draw them into our web the more resistant they should be.

Need a Romulan Influence TF as well... I'd love to snag the Sotaw!
 
Is it even possible to "win" this? The Harmony isn't going to give up just because we push their tag to 100/100 will they?

If we get them to affiliate status, then we start getting annual rolls, and our diplo pushes become four times as effective, which makes it much harder for the Horizon to keep up. Maybe the tag might pop up again to represent a renewed diplomatic offensive, but hopefully by that point we've established firm ties with the minor powers.
 
Samantha Connors IIRC

Almost read that as Sarah Connors.

No, but once we Affiliate them we can start Pushing and Ally them quickly. The more we draw them into our web the more resistant they should be.

Need a Romulan Influence TF as well

Nah, we just need a Licori Task Force. No need for a Task Force for Romulan Influence when only one major and one minor power are affected.

Besides, the Licori have two 500 Tags to clear.

Licori (Arcadian Empire): 100/100
-[Recently in a Shooting War: 100/100]
-[Romulan Influence: 22/100] + 23 = 45/100
-[Horizon Influence: 15/100]
-[Uncontrolled Mentats: 0/300]
-[Slavery: 0/500]
-[Unequal Feudal Society: 0/500]
 
Is it even possible to "win" this? The Harmony isn't going to give up just because we push their tag to 100/100 will they?

that is a good question, though the Harmony might also be engaged in other efforts in their other borders, so they might have a cost/benefit analysis and drop their influence in some of our candidates.
Alternatively, they might switch to cover or overt attacks against us, to show we are no aegis of security... so we should expedite our intel and preparations efforts on that front


EDIT: a general question, but... the romulan influence tags, with the current fortunes of the Star Empire... shouldn't those be waning by themselves? or we have a bonus towards neutralizing them? because I have serious issues seeing the Romulans still engaging in this sort of thing when things are falling apart and it is not like the Klingons can inherit either, even if they wanted to...
 
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We have seven ships on the anti-Harmony task force and it still doesn't feel like enough. I kind of wish we could send the Thirishar there for support instead of having it go into Theater Fleet. It ought to be out of repair next quarter, Q3. It would likely be more use on Beyond than it would be randomly responding to a Theater event somewhere, maybe.
 
We have seven ships on the anti-Harmony task force and it still doesn't feel like enough. I kind of wish we could send the Thirishar there for support instead of having it go into Theater Fleet. It ought to be out of repair next quarter, Q3. It would likely be more use on Beyond than it would be randomly responding to a Theater event somewhere, maybe.
Maybe we can send the Enterprise-C instead. That would certainly send a signal to the Harmony guys wouldn't it?
 
Maybe we can send the Enterprise-C instead. That would certainly send a signal to the Harmony guys wouldn't it?
Can't use EC ships in task forces outside of special circumstances. This isn't one of those.

We definitely should put an Amby from the mass build wave in the TF or the HBZ.
 
Can't use EC ships in task forces outside of special circumstances. This isn't one of those.

We definitely should put an Amby from the mass build wave in the TF or the HBZ.

We certainly can. Remember this?

In addition to regular-fleet task forces, the FDS believes that the Explorer Corps has a role to play in supporting their efforts with the Dawiar or with Horizon. During the next Explorer Corps vote, you will have the option to select one Explorer Corps vessel to assist with either the Dawiar or Horizon task force.
 
Can't use EC ships in task forces outside of special circumstances. This isn't one of those.

We definitely should put an Amby from the mass build wave in the TF or the HBZ.
You're allowed a special dispensation to use one EC ship for EITHER the Dawiar mission or Horizon. So you could pull Odyssey from Dawiar and put another ship on Horizon.

ninja'd by myself technically but I wanted to be super clear
 
That is literal years away. Who knows what the Stellar-Political landscape will look like by then. Neither the Task Force or even the HBZ might exist.

Now if you'd like to add some Renaissances or Centaur-Bs, we'll have piles of them next year.
Oh hell yes. Do that.

I'm pretty sure the HBZ will still a be a thing in 5 years game time, though. And pretty sure an anti-Horizon TF will still be a thing, too.
 
No, but once we Affiliate them we can start Pushing and Ally them quickly. The more we draw them into our web the more resistant they should be.

Need a Romulan Influence TF as well... I'd love to snag the Sotaw!

I think that the sotaw should be pushed to being neutral at the moment. The romulans would see any action to pull them into our sphere as a violation of the neutral zone and further break our dente. Rather we should use the sotaw as a neutral facilitator of trade and a buffer to give the romulans peace of mind while growing our economic ties
 
We have seven ships on the anti-Harmony task force and it still doesn't feel like enough. I kind of wish we could send the Thirishar there for support instead of having it go into Theater Fleet. It ought to be out of repair next quarter, Q3. It would likely be more use on Beyond than it would be randomly responding to a Theater event somewhere, maybe.

does gabrial have any high P ships we could re assign when it goes from shooting war to a high tension border?
 
I think that the sotaw should be pushed to being neutral at the moment. The romulans would see any action to pull them into our sphere as a violation of the neutral zone and further break our dente. Rather we should use the sotaw as a neutral facilitator of trade and a buffer to give the romulans peace of mind while growing our economic ties

On the other hand, we know the Romulans were planning on bringing the Sotaw into their own sphere before the war went to hell in a handbasket, so I don't think they could really protest too much if we did the same. Plus, they won't be in any position to oppose us for a long time.
 
does gabrial have any high P ships we could re assign when it goes from shooting war to a high tension border?
There's multiple Excelsiors and some Rennies.

We're going to keep one Excelsior around just as a BZ flagship once it becomes a normal BZ and starts getting normal events. But we can shift one to TF duty.
 
Harmony of Horizon Fleet Strength Report

This is a somewhat complex matter. Before we can begin to speak of the Harmony's fleet strength, we need to discuss Directorates. The spacegoing strength of the Harmony is tied up in a trio of Directorates.

The Peacekeeper Directorate - Functionally their principal military arm. Divided into four equal fleets with an astrographic area of responsibility.
The Public Safety Directorate - Operates as an exceptionally well armed interstellar law enforcement service with a very broad remit. Divided into a series of Precincts of varying size and astrographic responsibility.
The Science Directorate - Smallest of the three directorates, but potentially the one we are most likely to meet. Divided into Orders according to a wide variety of focal points.

We can say for sure that each of the Peacekeeper Fleets is anchored by a Sanctuary-class Fleet Tender, a tremendous five megaton mothership that supports an approximate dozen of short-range Corvettes. They are then supported by two older, much smaller, fleet tenders. The exact numbers of Corvettes in each fleet is not precisely known. Providing some heavy metal staying power, each fleet is also backed by a quartet of Liberators.

The Public Safety Directorate operates in, we believe, six Precincts, sharing a dozen of the older pattern fleet tenders which have been relegated to home service. In addition, they have a wide variety of older corvettes, and Alert-class public safety corvettes, almost like space-going law enforcement cruisers. A dozen Scientist-class cruisers and about a half-dozen older Solace-class battlecruisers help provide additional strength.

The Science Directorate is at least a dozen, but probably more, Scientist-class cruisers, and an equal number of Solace-class battlecruisers. The Solace-class, though a battlecruiser, is still a very capable research and diplomatic vessel, but a lot stronger in combat. Beware that outwardly they appear nearly identical, but you would not want to mistake the two.

If I may, the Harmony of Horizon has a very specific fleet structure. Fleets are not organized in ad-hoc forces like our task forces or sectors, but in standardized fleets. We could expect a Public Safety Directorate Precinct to have two Scientist cruisers attached, for example. The Science Directorate is the most ad-hoc organization, but we know from later intelligence reports that they're organized into Orders of variable size. So if we see two groups of two (total four) Scientist cruisers, we can presume that at least one Order of the Science Directorate has been tasked into the Federation border diplomatic mission, possibly as many as two or with Orders being reorganized to the size of the problem, as we know that in the past there were at least five Orders. As the Public Safety Directorate is not an outreach organization, their Scientist cruisers are not likely to be available for this venture, and as far as our intelligence goes the Peacekeeper Fleets don't use the Scientist, being a mostly military structure.

So the fact that we see four visible Scientist cruisers likely means that the Science Directorate was marshaled to support the Horizon's new diplomatic strategy, and I would suspect we're facing a force of about six Scientist and six Solace cruisers in this mission, with an upper bound of about eight of each ship. Any more than half the total strength of the Science Directorate doesn't make much sense, since we would be completely unable to commit half our total strength on a single border in peacetime.

Keeping in mind that the Public Safety Directorate contains between eight to twelve of these cruisers too, and those forces shouldn't be available for foreign diplomacy without a major reorganization of Horizon fleet structure that we would have heard about.

Harmony Fleet Strength (2318.Q4)
4 Sanctuary Fleet Tender
20 Old Fleet Tender
16 Liberator
~18+ Solace
~24+ Scientist
~34 to 60+ Virtuoso Strike Corvette
~48-72+ Dancer Strike Corvette and Alert Corvette combined​
e: It being 3 years on from this report, we can expect the current numbers to be something like ~20+ Solace and ~28+ Scientist total.
 
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I think that the sotaw should be pushed to being neutral at the moment. The romulans would see any action to pull them into our sphere as a violation of the neutral zone and further break our dente. Rather we should use the sotaw as a neutral facilitator of trade and a buffer to give the romulans peace of mind while growing our economic ties


While that is true, the fact is that the Romulans are up the shit creek, Romulus is under siege, and they are facing a lot of internal issues... honestly they have FAR more pressing issues at the moment, though I can see reasons why to keep the Sotaw neutral, for the moment.
 
Nah, we just need a Licori Task Force. No need for a Task Force for Romulan Influence when only one major and one minor power are affected.

Besides, the Licori have two 500 Tags to clear.

We're halfway through the Romulan tag already. Might as well target both them and the Sotaw so the TF isn't left hanging after the Licori tag completes. I'm not worried about the two 500pt tags; we can Ally them without any issues after we complete the Influence tags and work on the 500s at our leisure. Membership is not anywhere near as crucial as Alliance.

I think that the sotaw should be pushed to being neutral at the moment. The romulans would see any action to pull them into our sphere as a violation of the neutral zone and further break our dente. Rather we should use the sotaw as a neutral facilitator of trade and a buffer to give the romulans peace of mind while growing our economic ties

I suspect that is why they have a 300pt "Located in the Neutral Zone" tag. Resolving it likely requires resolving those problems.
 
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