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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Conu said:
Is it possible to make a shared star base with the Romulans and Klingons at the intersection of the three territories? It would be useful to have a diplomatic space for the major powers to sort out their issues. Also a legitimate trading post. And a place to share information on quadrant wide threats such as the biophage.

It would be a lot of diplomatic work but it might be worth increasing relations with the other two major powers while everyone is in a good mood.
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The reason for the denfence requirements in the border zones is to defend against attacks/incursions by the other powers. A shared starbase wouldn't particularly help with that, and I can't see the other powers agreeing with that anyway. The Romulans already have a starbase just on their side of that point.
 
Derek58 said:
I'd be happy to switch one of my pushes to that, sure, but I don't think we can get an extra 30 points even with the best possible roll.
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Diplo pushes in affiliates are per quarter for the entire year

[X] Plan Derek

Because we need to start the Rennie, and the QM has said it's arbitrarily locked to a high reliability
 
Oh and @Nix? The pp cost for the ConnieB might have dropped to 35, but the Rennie is actually only 20pp, so it's an even better option. I'll switch to your plan if you drop the Constitution refit in favor of the Rennie
 
tryrar said:
Oh and @Nix? The pp cost for the ConnieB might have dropped to 35, but the Rennie is actually only 20pp, so it's an even better option. I'll switch to your plan if you drop the Constitution refit in favor of the Rennie
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We don't know when the Rennie is going to be ready, but I expect if we take the "as canon" option it will be ready in 2320. That's too long to wait, we need something within the next few years. Even 2313 would be too long. Also I think once the sheet is finalized we can do better than 98% reliable and/or lower cost.
 
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Nix said:
We don't know when the Rennie is going to be ready, but I expect if we take the "as canon" option it will be ready in 2320. That's too long to wait, we need something within the next few years. Even 2313 would be long. Also I think once the sheet is finalized we can do better than 98% reliable and/or lower cost.
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There's no way the design and prototype together will take 13 years. The prototype takes 50% longer than a normal one, so 4.5 years, and the design probably won't take more than 4 years. So 9.5 at most.

UbeOne said:
You were saying...?
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Oh whoops, missed the edit :oops::p
 
Derek58 said:
You haven't voted for anything yet, silly :V
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Look up a couple posts :V

Nix said:
We don't know when the Rennie is going to be ready, but I expect if we take the "as canon" option it will be ready in 2320. That's too long to wait, we need something within the next few years. Even 2313 would be long. Also I think once the sheet is finalized we can do better than 98% reliable and/or lower cost.
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If that's the case, then we should go with the medium cruiser designs we have floating around, even though we'd need to start requesting cruiser berths in the future-even though that will cause the Council to look at us funny. My opinion though is a ship the size of the Rennie with it's stats is just too good not to build as soon as possible and I'll take 98% reliability, and in the case that it will take 5 years of research once the project is started we the ConnieB is still there as an option.

@OneirosTheWriter can you confirm generally how long from the moment we initiate the project the ship design will be finished(assuming we of course use the UP group to do the research :p )? This should help us with planning which to do when.
 
@OneirosTheWriter: in light of the half pp point left over that was rounded down a while ago, will you accept 151.2 points as within budget? If rounding is always done in the direction less favorable to us our characters bonus ends up usually being useless for mining colonies.
 
Nix said:
The reason for the denfence requirements in the border zones is to defend against attacks/incursions by the other powers. A shared starbase wouldn't particularly help with that, and I can't see the other powers agreeing with that anyway. The Romulans already have a starbase just on their side of that point.
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I meant it more as a diplomatic exercise than a purely defensive one. The act of discussing this and having a committee from all three powers working together to design and build it will do a lot to create links and relationships.

Having a joint embassy/neutral ground will then pave the way for further treaties and diplomatic action. It might also serve to reduce friction in the future. Providing a forum where the powers can declaim about the underhanded behavior of the others hopefully without shooting. A place where government sanctioned trade can occur with official oversight.

It also adds some faux legitimacy to the Federation, Klingons and Romulans as the de facto great powers of the quadrant. A not so subtle reminder to the Cardassians that they don't get a seat at the adults table.

I will admit part of the appeal I see in the idea is kicking over canon even more so than this quest already has. The other part was a mental image I had of an Andorian, a Klingon and a Romulan news anchors hosting the Alpha Quadrant News Service. Each of them trying to stick to the approved script while taking subtle digs at each other.
 
Now that the Rennie has been brought back to life, are the custom cruiser projects scrapped?
 
@OneirosTheWriter - I believe you've forgotten to add that multi-species federation in the list of powers and our relations to them. Could you also clarify if Starfleet, or the council, is pursueing anything with regards to the Orion Syndicate bombing the dignitaries? The Cardassians may have helped them, but they were clearly willing participants if not suicidal participants.
 
Algalon said:
Now that the Rennie has been brought back to life, are the custom cruiser projects scrapped?
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Well, @OneirosTheWriter has confirmed in the ship thread if we do a medium cruiser that outdoes the Excelsior, the Council is gonna give us dirty looks until we get the Ambassador online. For some reason they have a preference for our best ships being Explorers :rofl:

But yeah, if we have the option for a Rennie with even decent reliability, we should take it since it costs far less than any medium cruiser we can do, while not giving up that much in stats. Comes from being able to pack so much awesome into such a ridiculously tiny package
 
Conu said:
I meant it more as a diplomatic exercise than a purely defensive one. The act of discussing this and having a committee from all three powers working together to design and build it will do a lot to create links and relationships.

Having a joint embassy/neutral ground will then pave the way for further treaties and diplomatic action. It might also serve to reduce friction in the future. Providing a forum where the powers can declaim about the underhanded behavior of the others hopefully without shooting. A place where government sanctioned trade can occur with official oversight.

It also adds some faux legitimacy to the Federation, Klingons and Romulans as the de facto great powers of the quadrant. A not so subtle reminder to the Cardassians that they don't get a seat at the adults table.

I will admit part of the appeal I see in the idea is kicking over canon even more so than this quest already has. The other part was a mental image I had of an Andorian, a Klingon and a Romulan news anchors hosting the Alpha Quadrant News Service. Each of them trying to stick to the approved script while taking subtle digs at each other.
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I'm all for improving diplomatic relationships with them, which is why I advocated for the shared research colony when it came up, but I don't see any merit at all in trying to do it with a shared starbase in particular. That's more likely to hurt relationships because they suspect foul play than help with anything. A shared non-military installation, sure, like the Athos V already is.
 
Honest if we can afford the extra push I wanna spend it on the Seyek, just... because of how interesting a concept they are in this setting. Have the Feds ever met a xenophilic, democratic multispecies polity other than themselves before? It just seems, such an opportunity, not just in mechanics etc but for the narrative. Would love to see them given spotlight and attention and protection from Cardie predation.
 
The nice thing about the Rennie is that it's a pocket rocket. None of our custom light cruisers or escorts can equal its stats while keeping at least 98% reliability. They're also affordable for their size and stats, and fit into our smallest berths.

I wonder how long it will take to research it though...
 
UbeOne said:
The nice thing about the Rennie is that it's a pocket rocket. None of our custom light cruisers or escorts can equal its stats while keeping at least 98% reliability. They're also affordable for their size and stats, and fit into our smallest berths.

I wonder how long it will take to research it though...
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That's why I asked the QM, though I'm beginning to think about putting together a plan that includes both the ConnieB and the Rennie just to split the difference
 
tryrar said:
That's why I asked the QM, though I'm beginning to think about putting together a plan that includes both the ConnieB and the Rennie just to split the difference
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Unfortunately there's no way to fit them both and the stuff we really need to grab (Explorer Corps Drive (20pp), Excelsior Resources (20pp), and IC Assets (40pp))
 
As I understand it we're looking at something like a decade before we can really start pumping out Renaissances while the Constitution-Bs will be ready in just two years. Given how high tensions with the Cardassians are, and the concerns of Jaldun vs Constellations, we're likely to be better of getting the Constitution-Bs out ASAP rather then waiting a decade for the Renaissances.

As for why we should go for the Constitution-B now instead of next year, with the Renaissance this year, the reason is that there is a big difference between starting production of Constitutions in two years vs three while there isn't much difference between starting Renaissance construction in eleven years vs ten.
 
I beg to differ. Sure we loose the starbase, outposts, and a diplo push, but it can be done. And we really, really need more mobile assets(plus the starbase and outposts can be done next turn)

@UberJJK this plan addresses that by doing both

[X][Council]Plan Fleet Upgrades
  • Request Start of Renaissance class project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 20pp
  • Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 35pp
  • Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 20pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
  • Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
  • Request expanded assets for Starfleet Intelligence Command, 40pp (allow greater numbers of intelligence assets, including deployed on ships, increasing DC for Cardassian actions)
  • Request expansion of Outposts in the Amarkia Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Amarkia, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
 
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